15 Jan
2017
15 Jan
'17
11 p.m.
Hi,
Just passing along this screencast of the new AVL Drumkits LV2 plugin
in Ardour 5.5 created by Robin Gareus:
https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8 [1]
More info here: http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums [2]
Huge thanks to Robin for taking the AVL Drumkits to the next level!
Glen MacArthur, AV Linux Maintainer
Links:
------
[1] https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8
[2] http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums
15 Jan
15 Jan
11:18 p.m.
Hi Glen,
Very nice. Hats off to Robin and you.
Dennis
On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 14:00:40 -0800
info(a)bandshed.net wrote:
Hi,
Just passing along this screencast of the new AVL Drumkits LV2 plugin
in Ardour 5.5 created by Robin Gareus:
https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8 [1]
More info here: http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums [2]
Huge thanks to Robin for taking the AVL Drumkits to the next level!
Glen MacArthur, AV Linux Maintainer
Links:
------
[1] https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8
[2] http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums
11:44 p.m.
On söndag 15 januari 2017 kl. 14:00:40 CET info(a)bandshed.net wrote:
Hi,
Just passing along this screencast of the new AVL Drumkits LV2 plugin
in Ardour 5.5 created by Robin Gareus:
https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8 [1]
More info here: http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums [2]
...
This is huge news and the beginning of something very needed in the Linux
community, I will check it out tomorrow!
However, I have some toughs about it when looking at the key map:
You should really have dimensions (or zones as many also calls it) that can be
used on any wanted item, for example the the HH. That means the same note for
hitting the edge of the HH and use a controller, such as modulation wheel,
expression pedal or the HH pedal in a MIDI drumset for controlling the HH
openess. The lack of things like this is also one of the main issues that make
DrumGizmo not quite there yet when it comes to professional usage, but I
notice they have it on the todo list.
You will probably see what I mean and why when looking at the last page of the
Natural Drum Kit's manual: http://naturaldrum.com/docs/NDKManual.pdf
I will come back tomorrow after checking it and have some more comments and
check how the HH is muted (should only be done by the pedal) and so on. I'm
sure that it will be very useful for many projects as it is now already.
Jostein
16 Jan
16 Jan
12:20 a.m.
On 01/15/2017 11:43 PM, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
On söndag 15 januari 2017 kl. 14:00:40 CET
info(a)bandshed.net wrote:
The underlying tech here is quite basic. It's a dumb sample player, it
does not stop an open HH hit when you trigger a closed hit or pedal. I'm
sorry to disappoint you.
and, no: A cross-fade or ADSR linked to a MIDI-CC does not cut it; at
least not with the fixed small sample-set.
The goal here is to cover 90% of the common cases and make it easy.
We had this discussion on and found that the bottleneck is actually
sequencing itself: Knowing what a real drummer would play and not
construct conflicting hits involving 4 hands and 3 feet. Adding more
elaborate kit controls don't help on that matter.
Personally I think if you want nuances on HIHat and Snare there's no way
around recording a real drum-kit. MIDI just doesn't cut it, even with
commercial tools such as AD2 or EZdrummer.
For kick, toms and overhead, MIDI can be fine. Even in some cases
better: Properly mic'ing a bass-drum is hard!
Anyway, avldrums is just a little brother of drumgizmo, trading
complexity for convenience and keeping DG on his toes :)
ciao,
robin
Hi,
Just passing along this screencast of the new AVL Drumkits LV2 plugin
in Ardour 5.5 created by Robin Gareus:
https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8 [1]
More info here: http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums [2]
...
This is huge news and the beginning of something very needed in the Linux
community, I will check it out tomorrow!
However, I have some toughs about it when looking at the key map:
You should really have dimensions (or zones as many also calls it) that can be
used on any wanted item, for example the the HH. That means the same note for
hitting the edge of the HH and use a controller, such as modulation wheel,
expression pedal or the HH pedal in a MIDI drumset for controlling the HH
openess. 
1:57 a.m.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 00:20:35 +0100
Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
Personally I think if you want nuances on HIHat and
Snare there's no
way around recording a real drum-kit.
Of course not if you consider, in general, physical modelling.
And specifically, the u-he research group for instance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usD7mWWWmoE
3:59 a.m.
Hi jonetsu,
Our budget differs somewhat from U-he :), also we want to be cheap on
CPU as well as RAM.
Like anything in the music world, with some intuition and first-hand
knowledge of the instrument you're emulating great nuanced results can
be achieved even with bone-simple single-layer sample hosts, On the
other hand put the most sophisticated modeling and software fakery
into the hands of someone clueless about what they are trying to
achieve and the results will speak for themselves.
Nobody's claiming to have re-invented drum sampling here, simply
refining an existing sample set to extend and improve it's use case in
the large void of native Linux drum solutions.
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Sent:Sun, 15 Jan 2017 19:57:46 -0500
Subject:Re: [LAU] Introducing AVL Drumkits LV2!
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 00:20:35 +0100
Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
Personally I think if you want nuances on HIHat and
Snare there's
no
way around recording a real drum-kit.
Of course not if you consider, in general, physical modelling.
And specifically, the u-he research group for instance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usD7mWWWmoE
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11:21 a.m.
On Sun, 15 Jan 2017 18:59:50 -0800
info(a)bandshed.net wrote:
Hi Glen,
Robin:
>> Personally I think if you want nuances on
HIHat and Snare there's
>> no way around recording a real drum-kit.
jonetsu:
> Of course not if you consider, in general,
physical modelling.
Nobody's claiming to have re-invented drum
sampling here, [...]
This is why I have mentioned 'in general'. The assertion by Robin
about not having other choice than to record a real drum kit can be
challenged - in general - by the notion of having physical modeling.
Our budget differs somewhat from U-he :), also we want
to be cheap
on CPU as well as RAM.
CPU is a concern that is explored by u-he. As they state, it's not
much if people cannot use it. pianoteq does just fine, so one could
wonder - in general - what could be the difference between the
physical modeling of piano and drums regarding CPU usage.
be achieved even with bone-simple single-layer sample
hosts, On the
other hand put the most sophisticated modeling and software fakery
into the hands of someone clueless about what they are trying to
achieve and the results will speak for themselves.
Well, I would not want to go down the road of qualifying what people
are doing. I've started making music with glass bottles and PVC pipes
recorded on a $15 Radio Shack tape cassette. And I thought that was
an elaborate and expensive setup at the time.
About what you call 'sophisticated modeling and software fakery' on
the other hand hopefully does not translate any discomfort regarding
this technology since it is quite the contrary as it brings human
response for acoustic instruments into today's electronic musical
world. Simply play one of pianoteq pianos or vibraphones and you will
immeditely feel it - it is very clear and distinctive. The actual
opposite of being fake as it enables people to express themselves much
more. Bending samples to one's will OTOH remains mostly in the realm
of the machine. What is heard is mostly the expression of the
technology, which is essentially apart from the physical expression of
the human heart, even though people are doing it. In general :)
12:14 p.m.
Layered samples and groups that stop a sound that was triggert, as
soon as the same sound or another sound of this group is played are
features that improve the sound a lot, as well as having the
possibility to tune, pan and have other features to manipulate the
individual samples.
Sure, just programming a sound is one thing, but a drummer could play
drum samplers by using good drum pads.
A friend is a very gifted jazz drummer. Without doubts it sounds much
better, if he plays a real drum kid with selected bass drum pedals,
snares, cymbals etc., then when playing even very good drum samplers
using very good drum pads. However, even if a noob like me programs
the drum tracks, it sounds better using a good drum sampler with layers
and groups and other features, than using a weak drum sampler. This has
nothing to do with two arms and two legs vs idiotic programming for 3
arms and 8 legs.
Those who don't own at least one good drum sampler could workaround at
least the hi-hat issue, when using a weak sampler, if the sampler cares
about note on and off events, IOW the note length, but this workaround
is only usable when programming, resp. using a keyboard and doesn't
work anymore, if drum pads are used, that trigger the sound. IOW at
least one group for even non-layered hi-hat sounds makes a big
different to carp that doesn't provide this feature, that is as old as
drum machines are. To claim that those drum features for a drum
sampler gain nothing and to get good drum recordings, recording real
drums played by a drummer should be required is ridiculous. Even if we
own good drums, good microphones and should have the ability to play
drums, there are still enough reasons when using a drum sampler makes
sense and then a feature like groups is absolutely essential.
4:05 p.m.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, jonetsu wrote:
CPU is a concern that is explored by u-he. As they
state, it's not
much if people cannot use it. pianoteq does just fine, so one could
wonder - in general - what could be the difference between the
physical modeling of piano and drums regarding CPU usage.
One piano model vs many drum models?
world. Simply play one of pianoteq pianos or
vibraphones and you will
immeditely feel it - it is very clear and distinctive. The actual
Personally, I would say that the difference in modelling a piano with keys
where the inputs for any one key is known is a lot different that the
number of sounds just one snare drum can make just by hitting it in a
different place. This does not even include things like rim shots (again
with various touch points for both skin and rim) or sidestick. MIDI
describes a keyboard quite well, a drum not so much. I don't think there
is even a controller that comes close to picking up the whole information
of a drum performance... for even one drum, let alone a kit or percusion
section. I suspect that really getting a drum performance in MIDI would
require a model for each drum, that uses the note numbers as stick zones.
So pianoteq times 8 or so.... and then no controller anyway. (one might
get away with one drum engine for all toms... might) This is the reasona
guitar synth sounds like a synth... a keyboard synth IMO.
pianoteq is a wonderful sounding instrument. If I was a piano player, or
even had a piano controller (rather than a DX7), I would have it. It
sounds way better than any sampled piano I have heard.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
5:16 p.m.
On 01/16/2017 04:05 PM, Len Ovens wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, jonetsu wrote:
indeed. unless you use toilet-brushes: https://youtu.be/Aln6DztAsMQ
one should file a pianoteq feature request for that :)
CPU is a concern that is explored by u-he. As
they state, it's not
much if people cannot use it. pianoteq does just fine, so one could
wonder - in general - what could be the difference between the
physical modeling of piano and drums regarding CPU usage.
One piano model vs many drum models?
world. Simply play one of pianoteq pianos or
vibraphones and you will
immeditely feel it - it is very clear and distinctive. The actual
Personally, I would say that the difference in modelling a piano with
keys where the inputs for any one key is known is a lot different that
the number of sounds just one snare drum can make just by hitting it in
a different place. This does not even include things like rim shots
(again with various touch points for both skin and rim) or sidestick.
MIDI describes a keyboard quite well, a drum not so much. I don't think
there is even a controller that comes close to picking up the whole
information of a drum performance... for even one drum, let alone a kit
or percusion section. I suspect that really getting a drum performance
in MIDI would require a model for each drum, that uses the note numbers
as stick zones. So pianoteq times 8 or so.... and then no controller
anyway. (one might get away with one drum engine for all toms... might)
This is the reasona guitar synth sounds like a synth... a keyboard synth
IMO.
That. and a a head-start of years of CPU optimizations.
The model of strings and resonances inside a body are also well
understood. There are also lots of publications on the subject. It's
still far from trivial to get this right, but still.
As you said, the degrees of freedom on a piano are far less than those
on a drum, also prior state of the instrument is a lot more complex for
drums, particularly cymbals and drumrolls.
pianoteq is a wonderful sounding instrument. If I was
a piano player, or
even had a piano controller (rather than a DX7), I would have it. It
sounds way better than any sampled piano I have heard.
+1. It's an awesome piece of engineering.
ciao,
robin
11:16 p.m.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:05:14 -0800 (PST)
Len Ovens <len(a)ovenwerks.net> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, jonetsu wrote:
There might be a point there. So it would depend on the drum kit
components. Is it more complex to model a piano than a single tom ?
And then a cymbal ? I would tend to think that a cymbal is quite
complex. So yes, CPU usage might very well be way up there. At least
without optimization.
A modelling though, could respond to any input from an interface.
There could be resource decoupling between the model generation and the
input stage.
CPU is a concern that is explored by u-he. As
they state, it's not
much if people cannot use it. pianoteq does just fine, so one could
wonder - in general - what could be the difference between the
physical modeling of piano and drums regarding CPU usage.
One piano model vs many drum models? [...] one drum, let alone a kit or percusion section.
I suspect that
really getting a drum performance in MIDI would require a model for
each drum, that uses the note numbers as stick zones. [...]
No entirely sure about this. See my reply to Robin about the Wavedrum
I have (1). If a model is able to respond accordingly to any input
thrown at it, then the interface already exists to allow for instance
tapping of nails to brushes to mallets to drum sticks to pressure on a
electronic drum interface. How far away can this be from interfacing
to physical modelling of drums as developed by u-he ? How far away to
develop a full-fledged drum *instrument* free of samples, reacting to a
wide range of nuances from players ?
pianoteq is a wonderful sounding instrument. If I was
a piano player,
or even had a piano controller (rather than a DX7), I would have it.
It sounds way better than any sampled piano I have heard.
And the vibraphone is simply incredible. It is also a bit heard in the
link below.
(1) For instance the solo at 2:25 and then further in:
https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/jam25
2:01 p.m.
On 01/16/2017 01:57 AM, jonetsu wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 00:20:35 +0100
Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
They're doing an awesome job yes, but it's not even close to a real kit:
Now hit that thing on the side, try a rimshot, then take some brushes,
hot-rods and eventually throw some chains onto it.
Some physical models could describe that, but the interface is the
problem. There's some work on that end, too. but MIDI is not going to
cut it, which is what my point was.
ciao,
robin
Personally I think if you want nuances on HIHat
and Snare there's no
way around recording a real drum-kit.
Of course not if you consider, in general, physical modelling.
And specifically, the u-he research group for instance:
10:57 p.m.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:01:11 +0100
Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
On 01/16/2017 01:57 AM, jonetsu wrote:
> Of course not if you consider, in general, physical modelling.
> And specifically, the u-he research group for instance:
They're doing an awesome job yes, but it's not
even close to a real
kit:
Now hit that thing on the side, try a rimshot, then
take some brushes,
hot-rods and eventually throw some chains onto it.
I have to disagree here also. By my side is a KORG Wavedrum, not recent
technology, on which one can brush your fingers to produce a sound and
then use hands to play and then again use sticks on the top, on
the sides, everywhere, each with different effects. You can also apply
pressure like a talking drum while playing. Parts of the rim is dented
so when a stick is brushed against sonic variations happens.
As you play conga-like, you can insert any type of hand brushing,
pressure, fingering tabla-like, switch from your nails to the tip of
the fingers, mute sounds with palm pressure, etc...
Since it responds from a light brushing of the fingers to the strongest
hit by a stick, yes, you can use chains. Or a paintbrush. Possibly
you could even drop the contents of a box of toothpicks on it.
And again, this is not new technology. It was developed by Standford
university in conjunction with Yamaha. It is an instrument and has to
be treated as such on stage, just like miking an acoustic guitar or
amplifying vocals. It can produce feedbacks.
Some physical models could describe that, but the
interface is the
problem. There's some work on that end, too. but MIDI is not going to
cut it, which is what my point was.
Now what could be the possibilities of having the Wavedrum technology
meet the u-he physical modelling of drums ? Or perhaps better, a
revised version of the Wavedrum technology ? Should we say it is
impossible in our world ? Should we say that legal issues and patents
will prevent this and therefore, it is totally impossible ?
The point is, the interface technology exists. And is so cheap that a
poor guy like me can afford it.
It could give birth to an *instrument* like a guitar is an instrument.
MIDI guitars, while some exists (eg. Godin Multiac guitars), are
not the rage. Physical modelling of drums using a proper Wavedrum-like
interface could also be an instrument with no direct link to MIDI
output in its most basic form.
17 Jan
17 Jan
9:52 a.m.
On 01/16/2017 10:57 PM, jonetsu wrote:
Since it responds from a light brushing of the fingers
to the strongest
hit by a stick, yes, you can use chains. Or a paintbrush. Possibly
you could even drop the contents of a box of toothpicks on it.
It might respond the same but it probably won't sound the same. For the
Korg Wavedrum a stick is a stick and it doesn't matter where it is made
from. Sticks made out of plastic, wood or metal of the same weight will
likely all sound the same while on a real drum kit the different sticks
will produce a different sound. A Wavedrum just doesn't interact with
the object it's getting hit with. But correct me if I'm wrong as I don't
own a Wavedrum and neither have I read the manual ;)
Jeremy
10:20 a.m.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:52:07 +0100
Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com> wrote:
It might respond the same but it probably won't
sound the same. For
the Korg Wavedrum a stick is a stick and it doesn't matter where it
is made from. Sticks made out of plastic, wood or metal of the same
weight will likely all sound the same while on a real drum kit the
different sticks will produce a different sound. A Wavedrum just
doesn't interact with the object it's getting hit with. But correct
me if I'm wrong as I don't own a Wavedrum and neither have I read the
manual ;)
Consider this. Hitting the skin (it is a drum skin, on mine I have a
Remo Black Suede) with your nails will produce a slightly different
sound than with the fingers. Part of the DSP processing picks up the
sound from the skin. This is why the instrument can produce feedbacks
on a stage.
10:02 p.m.
New subject: Humanized drum interface (was:Re: Introducing AVL Drumkits LV2!)
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:52:07 +0100
Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com> wrote:
On 01/16/2017 10:57 PM, jonetsu wrote:
> Since it responds from a light brushing of the fingers to the
> strongest hit by a stick, yes, you can use chains. Or a
> paintbrush. Possibly you could even drop the contents of a box of
> toothpicks on it.
It might respond the same but it probably won't
sound the same. For
the Korg Wavedrum a stick is a stick and it doesn't matter where it
is made from. Sticks made out of plastic, wood or metal of the same
weight will likely all sound the same while on a real drum kit the
different sticks will produce a different sound. A Wavedrum just
doesn't interact with the object it's getting hit with. But correct
me if I'm wrong as I don't own a Wavedrum and neither have I read the
manual ;)
A stick is a stick is a stick. Well, there's no need to own a Wavedrum
or perhaps worse, to read the user manual :)
Demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuDHmaQxxLk
18 Jan
18 Jan
11:57 a.m.
New subject: Humanized drum interface (was:Re: Introducing AVL Drumkits LV2!)
There's a difference between providing everything and providing some simple features.
A drummer could hit a cymbal and then use a hand to stop it. A drum sampler could provide
triggering a layered cymbal sample and silence. If the sample and the silence are in one
group, the silence will stop the cymbal. This does not sound equal, but similar to a
drummer stopping the cymbal, played by a MIDI keyboard or by drum pads.
Even if a drummer should play a drum sampler by drum pads or mic'ed drums, the drummer
is able to use different technics when playing a drum sampler, as well as when playing
real drums. Yes, even when plying very expensive drum pads and special drum pad cymbals,
this doesn't provide everything needed to fake a real drum kit, but OTOH it provides
things a real drum kit can't provide. IOW the target of a good drum sample not
necessity is to fake the things you could do, when playing a real drum kit, but even if
you use samples of good old drums build in the 70s and earlier (for good reasons drummers
tend to buy old second hand drums, instead of those build today), you don't need to
use them to fake the style of John Bonham, let alone jazz drummers. MIDI has got limits,
but also enhancements for the creative musician. We should expect that everything that is
called a drum sampler, provides some basic features that are useful to produce rhythm,
without having in mind to fake real drums. I sometime sample my guitars. I'm a
guitarist, but plying the samples by a keyboard allows me to use technics That don't
exist when plying a al guitar. Yes, I can play a real guitar with toilet brushes, hey, We
also could play a keyboard with toilet brushes. This sounds different, but still would
have impact to the result. If you play the guitar with toilet brushes it does affect the
sound a lot, if you play samples by a keyboard with toilet brushes, it does affect the
playing style a lot.
16 Jan
16 Jan
7:57 a.m.
On måndag 16 januari 2017 kl. 00:20:35 CET Robin Gareus wrote:
...
The underlying tech here is quite basic. It's a
dumb sample player, it
does not stop an open HH hit when you trigger a closed hit or pedal. I'm
sorry to disappoint you.
and, no: A cross-fade or ADSR linked to a MIDI-CC does not cut it; at
least not with the fixed small sample-set.
The goal here is to cover 90% of the common cases and make it easy.
We had this discussion on and found that the bottleneck is actually
sequencing itself: Knowing what a real drummer would play and not
construct conflicting hits involving 4 hands and 3 feet. Adding more
elaborate kit controls don't help on that matter.
Personally I think if you want nuances on HIHat and Snare there's no way
around recording a real drum-kit. MIDI just doesn't cut it, even with
commercial tools such as AD2 or EZdrummer.
It is possible to make the HH "sound like a real drummer" using CC's and
it's
done by Natural drum Kit and others. But I do understand why you haven't
implemented it and the resources you have; I still believe that this is a huge
step forward when it comes to virtual drumming in Linux and will use it when
it suits a project.
Well Done!
Jostein
2:38 p.m.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 00:20:35 +0100
Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
On 01/15/2017 11:43 PM, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote:
This looks very nice and the realistic GUI might even make some sense
in this case.
I guess you could add sticks and feet or some other way to indicate to
musically challenged users that playing a given sequence requires more
limbs than a typical earthbound human possesses.
I could not try it yet (@Ray, is there something I can help with at the
packaging front?).
So the problem discussed here is that you can not prematurely turn off
a sample that is playing?
Regards,
Philipp
On söndag 15 januari 2017 kl. 14:00:40 CET
info(a)bandshed.net
wrote:
The underlying tech here is quite basic. It's a dumb sample player, it
does not stop an open HH hit when you trigger a closed hit or pedal.
I'm sorry to disappoint you.
and, no: A cross-fade or ADSR linked to a MIDI-CC does not cut it; at
least not with the fixed small sample-set.
The goal here is to cover 90% of the common cases and make it easy.
We had this discussion on and found that the bottleneck is actually
sequencing itself: Knowing what a real drummer would play and not
construct conflicting hits involving 4 hands and 3 feet. Adding more
elaborate kit controls don't help on that matter.
Personally I think if you want nuances on HIHat and Snare there's no
way around recording a real drum-kit. MIDI just doesn't cut it, even
with commercial tools such as AD2 or EZdrummer.
For kick, toms and overhead, MIDI can be fine. Even in some cases
better: Properly mic'ing a bass-drum is hard!
Anyway, avldrums is just a little brother of drumgizmo, trading
complexity for convenience and keeping DG on his toes :)
ciao,
robin Hi,
Just passing along this screencast of the new AVL Drumkits LV2
plugin in Ardour 5.5 created by Robin Gareus:
https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8 [1]
More info here: http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums [2]
...
This is huge news and the beginning of something very needed in the
Linux community, I will check it out tomorrow!
However, I have some toughs about it when looking at the key map:
You should really have dimensions (or zones as many also calls it)
that can be used on any wanted item, for example the the HH. That
means the same note for hitting the edge of the HH and use a
controller, such as modulation wheel, expression pedal or the HH
pedal in a MIDI drumset for controlling the HH openess.
4:56 p.m.
On 01/16/2017 02:38 PM, hollundertee(a)gmx.net wrote:
I could not try it yet (@Ray, is there something I can
help with at the
packaging front?).
In case it helps: Thanks to Mira, it's on the way into debian:
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/avldrums.lv2.git
and of course Filipe has already packaged it for KXStudio.
So the problem discussed here is that you can not
prematurely turn off
a sample that is playing?
.. or in case of the HiHat modify it dynamically: open, hit, close.
Also the smarts to stop an active HH sound when you trigger another one.
These details are not handled by avldrums.lv2.
For the cymbals there are choked hit samples. Those are fixed duration.
There are a HiHat Swish samples, but also fixed duration.
However in my experience playing with it, I didn't find it limiting. The
samples sound great and go a long way. It can also be mixed convincingly
e.g. https://soundcloud.com/glen-macarthur/avl-drumkits-red-zeppelin-5pc
It certainly gets you over 90% for modern pop/rock.
Cheers!
robin
2:04 a.m.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 5:00 PM, <info(a)bandshed.net> wrote:
Hi,
Just passing along this screencast of the new AVL Drumkits LV2 plugin in
Ardour 5.5 created by Robin Gareus:
https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8
More info here: http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums
Huge thanks to Robin for taking the AVL Drumkits to the next level!
--
That's pretty damn cool!
Brett W. McCoy -- https://soundcloud.com/brett-mccoy
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it
would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
12:02 p.m.
Yikes. No, really :)
I just tested the "stereo" plugins (pulled from git and built without
errors right as per the README procedure) under Qtractor (latest Git)
and it works FINE it's spectacular, you can click on the elements to
hear them, set the audition volume with the mouse wheel, everything is
responsive and playful and full of color and strawberry-flavored!!
Gentleman, this I predict will soon become the most powerful gateway
drug into Linux Audio. Pretty soon, we'll have everybody hooked up ;)
I have a sequence blasting right now, in fact I'm going to create the
entry in the "tools <http://libremusicproduction.com/tools>" section on
LMP and write a news item right away, and I'll slap together a "Why,
Phil <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHUwlmuFjq8>" video too. The world
awaits, I can hear the mob over the toms rumble :p
Thank you so much Robin, you da man. This just as the x42 stereo eq was
becoming the brightest star of my sessions :) 2017 rocks.
yPhil
On 15/01/17 22:00, info(a)bandshed.net wrote:
Hi,
Just passing along this screencast of the new AVL Drumkits LV2 plugin
in Ardour 5.5 created by Robin Gareus:
https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8
More info here: http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums
Huge thanks to Robin for taking the AVL Drumkits to the next level!
Glen MacArthur, AV Linux Maintainer
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12:22 p.m.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Yassin Philip <philcm(a)gnu.org> wrote:
Thank you so much Robin, you da man. This just as the
x42 stereo eq was
becoming the brightest star of my sessions :) 2017 rocks.
+1
Robin, thanks a bunch for giving us yet another amazing plugin! I'm really
looking forward to give it a whirl in the courses next semester. :)
Albert
--
Dr. Albert Gr"af
Computer Music Research Group, JGU Mainz, Germany
Email: aggraef(a)gmail.com
WWW: https://plus.google.com/+AlbertGraef
4:55 p.m.
On 01/16/2017 12:02 PM, Yassin Philip wrote:
Yikes. No, really :)
I just tested the "stereo" plugins (pulled from git and built without
errors right as per the README procedure) under Qtractor (latest Git)
and it works FINE
Thanks for checking with qtractor. That's good to know.
it's spectacular, you can click on the elements
to
hear them, set the audition volume with the mouse wheel, everything is
responsive and playful and full of color and strawberry-flavored!!
Gentleman, this I predict will soon become the most powerful gateway
drug into Linux Audio. Pretty soon, we'll have everybody hooked up ;)
Yes, that's exactly the plan: Act as gateway to get people started.
The idea actually came from
http://libremusicproduction.com/tutorials/using-avl-drumkits-fluid-synth-ar…
As great as those LMP tutorials are, I expect we'll have lost half of
the linuxaudio newbies at the "Preparation" headline. This should be as
simple as drag/drop a plugin and get started.
Sure, the rabbit hole goes deep and once you're comfortable: Move to
Drumgizmo or linuxsampler or something even more elaborate.
I have a sequence blasting right now, in fact I'm
going to create the
entry in the "tools <http://libremusicproduction.com/tools>" section on
LMP and write a news item right away, and I'll slap together a "Why,
Phil <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHUwlmuFjq8>" video too. The world
awaits, I can hear the mob over the toms rumble :p
Merci bien. Continue le bon travail!
Thank you so much Robin, you da man. This just as the
x42 stereo eq was
becoming the brightest star of my sessions :) 2017 rocks.
Kudos go to Fons, here. Just like with the awesome drum samples from
Glen, this is just another step on top.
ciao,
robin
5:56 p.m.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:55:43 +0100
Robin Gareus <robin(a)gareus.org> wrote:
On 01/16/2017 12:02 PM, Yassin Philip wrote:
Fascinating stuff, especially they way folks worked together on this.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
Yikes. No, really :)
I just tested the "stereo" plugins (pulled from git and built without
errors right as per the README procedure) under Qtractor (latest Git)
and it works FINE
Thanks for checking with qtractor. That's good to know.
it's spectacular, you can click on the
elements to
hear them, set the audition volume with the mouse wheel, everything is
responsive and playful and full of color and strawberry-flavored!!
Gentleman, this I predict will soon become the most powerful gateway
drug into Linux Audio. Pretty soon, we'll have everybody hooked up ;)
Yes, that's exactly the plan: Act as gateway to get people started.
The idea actually came from
http://libremusicproduction.com/tutorials/using-avl-drumkits-fluid-synth-ar…
As great as those LMP tutorials are, I expect we'll have lost half of
the linuxaudio newbies at the "Preparation" headline. This should be as
simple as drag/drop a plugin and get started.
Sure, the rabbit hole goes deep and once you're comfortable: Move to
Drumgizmo or linuxsampler or something even more elaborate.
I have a sequence blasting right now, in fact
I'm going to create the
entry in the "tools <http://libremusicproduction.com/tools>" section on
LMP and write a news item right away, and I'll slap together a "Why,
Phil <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHUwlmuFjq8>" video too. The world
awaits, I can hear the mob over the toms rumble :p
Merci bien. Continue le bon travail!
Thank you so much Robin, you da man. This just as
the x42 stereo eq was
becoming the brightest star of my sessions :) 2017 rocks.
Kudos go to Fons, here. Just like with the awesome drum samples from
Glen, this is just another step on top.
ciao,
robin
19 Jan
19 Jan
2:36 p.m.
I made a short video of it in action in Qtractor :)
https://youtu.be/vPYtb2hisJ8
/Frozen/ greetings from north Africa ; yPhil
On 15/01/17 22:00, info(a)bandshed.net wrote:
Hi,
Just passing along this screencast of the new AVL Drumkits LV2 plugin
in Ardour 5.5 created by Robin Gareus:
https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8
More info here: http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums
Huge thanks to Robin for taking the AVL Drumkits to the next level!
Glen MacArthur, AV Linux Maintainer
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http://yassinphilip.bitbucket.org
2:54 p.m.
Hi YPhil,
Thanks for taking the time to do that, nice to see them working with
the mighty Qtractor!
Best of luck on the upcoming album :)
Glen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yassin Philip" <philcm(a)gnu.org>
To:"Linux Audio User" <linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:36:46 +0000
Subject:Re: [LAU] Introducing AVL Drumkits LV2!
I made a short video of it in action in Qtractor :)
https://youtu.be/vPYtb2hisJ8 [1]
_Frozen_ greetings from north Africa ; yPhil
On 15/01/17 22:00, info(a)bandshed.net [2] wrote:
Hi,
Just passing along this screencast of the new AVL Drumkits LV2 plugin
in Ardour 5.5 created by Robin Gareus:
https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8 [3]
More info here: http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums [4]
Huge thanks to Robin for taking the AVL Drumkits to the next level!
Glen MacArthur, AV Linux Maintainer
_______________________________________________
Linux-audio-user mailing list
Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org [5]
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user [6]
--
Yassin Philip - New album out NOW
http://yassinphilip.bitbucket.org [7]
Links:
------
[1] https://youtu.be/vPYtb2hisJ8
[2] mailto:info@bandshed.net
[3] https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8
[4] http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums
[5] mailto:Linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org
[6] http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
[7] http://yassinphilip.bitbucket.org
3:28 p.m.
On 19/01/17 13:53, info(a)bandshed.net wrote:
Hi YPhil,
Thanks for taking the time to do that, nice to see them working with
the mighty Qtractor!
Woah, they're *already in KXStudio repos*
(avldrums.lv2)*!!* :) /NOTA/
the LMP article has been updated with the two videos. Now that's
NAMM-class advertising, I tell ya' First dose is free ;)
http://libremusicproduction.com/news/20170119-boom-avl-drumkits-plugins
Best of luck on the upcoming album :)
Thanks a lot Glen, I'm in a bit over my
head I must say. All those
sessions, all those experiments, all those days staring at the screen
with a guitar on my lap ; My dropbox exploded, oh well. Could be worse.
I guess. Am I whining? Don't mind me.
Glen
----- Original Message -----
From:
"Yassin Philip" <philcm(a)gnu.org>
To:
"Linux Audio User" <linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org>
Cc:
Sent:
Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:36:46 +0000
Subject:
Re: [LAU] Introducing AVL Drumkits LV2!
I made a short video of it in action in Qtractor :)
https://youtu.be/vPYtb2hisJ8
/Frozen/ greetings from north Africa ; yPhil
On 15/01/17 22:00, info(a)bandshed.net wrote:
Hi,
Just passing along this screencast of the new AVL Drumkits LV2
plugin in Ardour 5.5 created by Robin Gareus:
https://youtu.be/4idMZTxTaY8
More info here: http://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-avldrums
Huge thanks to Robin for taking the AVL Drumkits to the next
level!
Glen MacArthur, AV Linux Maintainer
_______________________________________________
Linux-audio-user mailing list
Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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