23 Feb
2006
23 Feb
'06
6:56 p.m.
After my thread got hijacked so nicely about drawing in developers with
little musical interest to help do music tools coding, I felt encouraged
to raise another discussion.
It is my goal to make music as accessible as possible, IE it's gotta be
valuable to your average working man (or teenager) in terms of
entertainment, identity, cult status, etc.
The reaction I want from people is: "MAAAAAAN that's so cool why can't
the sucker produce as fast as I can listen? MORE MORE MORE!!!!"
:)
One technical approach I found that is quite effective at that is to
jack everything through compressors. (I know, it's not new, I just
didn't know that). Get some white noise with an envelope, a formant
filter, and a low pass filter, and pipe it through two sets of LADSPA
compressors jacked to max (small attack, small release, large knee,
maximum compression, small theshold) and it sounds like your average FAT
dance track snare from scratch. Penetrating enough to make your average
metal worker notice it.
Another strategy I found effective is to combine the familiar with the
new... That makes it an adventure with a guide. A little adventurous,
but not so much as to be perceived as different and strange. (Personally
I WANT to be different and strange but I respect that not everybody does).
So ya wanna use generative synth? Fine, with a dance beat. Gonna make
completely synthed tracks? Cool, add some vocals. To me, that makes
strange synths sound "household object".
So you wanna make stuff that people can enjoy ("people" meaning in terms
of popular listening familiarity NOW)? What do you do?
Carlo
23 Feb
23 Feb
8:36 p.m.
On Fri, 24 Feb, 2006 at 12:55AM +0100, Carlo Capocasa spake thus:
After my thread got hijacked so nicely about drawing
in developers with
little musical interest to help do music tools coding, I felt encouraged
to raise another discussion.
It is my goal to make music as accessible as possible, IE it's gotta be
valuable to your average working man (or teenager) in terms of
entertainment, identity, cult status, etc.
The reaction I want from people is: "MAAAAAAN that's so cool why can't
the sucker produce as fast as I can listen? MORE MORE MORE!!!!"
That's an interesting position. Are you looking at making music
commercially, or do you see acceptance as one of the qualities of
music that you'd like to be able to quantify and add as much of as you
want?
Personally, I make what I enjoy making. It still surprises me that
what I try to do is quite different from what I listen to normally.
If it ever occurred that what I created was something that the masses
wanted to consume, it would be a completely accidental confluence.
That's not to say that I see myself as above all that. As the list
knows, I like my feedback as much as anyone else. I'm not sure I'd be
happy if people loved my stuff because I'd tried to make it lovable
before I made it mine.
Just to be clear, this is not a rant! I've just read it through and
realised it might be taken that way. I'm just thinking aloud. And
not too clearly, either.
James
:)
One technical approach I found that is quite effective at that is to
jack everything through compressors. (I know, it's not new, I just
didn't know that). Get some white noise with an envelope, a formant
filter, and a low pass filter, and pipe it through two sets of LADSPA
compressors jacked to max (small attack, small release, large knee,
maximum compression, small theshold) and it sounds like your average FAT
dance track snare from scratch. Penetrating enough to make your average
metal worker notice it.
Another strategy I found effective is to combine the familiar with the
new... That makes it an adventure with a guide. A little adventurous,
but not so much as to be perceived as different and strange. (Personally
I WANT to be different and strange but I respect that not everybody does).
So ya wanna use generative synth? Fine, with a dance beat. Gonna make
completely synthed tracks? Cool, add some vocals. To me, that makes
strange synths sound "household object".
So you wanna make stuff that people can enjoy ("people" meaning in terms
of popular listening familiarity NOW)? What do you do?
Carlo
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
11:26 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Accessibility: Tips for making sounds for the masses?
Hi James! Thanks for participating! You're really making me think here,
and that's a good thing.
Here we go.
It's a cross-section of a lot of things. I want to be a successful
musician and I want a broad fan-base. I also want to make music that is
useful, that energizes. I want to give people their money's worth, EVEN
THOUGH I WON'T BE CHARGING.
To do that, I have to make the music from my audience's perspective
(even when my future audience doesn't even know I exist yet).
The reaction I
want from people is: "MAAAAAAN that's so cool why can't
the sucker produce as fast as I can listen? MORE MORE MORE!!!!"
That's an interesting position. Are you looking at making music
commercially, or do you see acceptance as one of the qualities of
music that you'd like to be able to quantify and add as much of as you
want? Personally, I make what I enjoy making. It still
surprises me that
what I try to do is quite different from what I listen to normally.
I was their with a band I had too but I quit. I feel strongly that my
music is a means to connect, and to connect, I have to adapt.
If it ever occurred that what I created was something
that the masses
wanted to consume, it would be a completely accidental confluence.
:) Yeah it's a lot of hard work to make something consumable, and I
haven't seen myself do a lot of work by accident recently ;) LOL
That's not to say that I see myself as above all
that. As the list
knows, I like my feedback as much as anyone else. I'm not sure I'd be
happy if people loved my stuff because I'd tried to make it lovable
before I made it mine.
Well, I hope hope hope that I am succeding in making stuff that gets me
loved because it is loving... Actually, bottom line is I want the music
to be as loving to as many people as it can and hopefully spread a lot
of happiness. Whether I express myself is actually secondary, but I
think it's hard to avoid if I am to create a truly genuine product.
Carlo
24 Feb
24 Feb
2:01 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Accessibility: Tips for making sounds for the masses?
One technical approach I found that is quite effective
at that is to
jack everything through compressors. (I know, it's not new, I just
didn't know that). Get some white noise with an envelope, a formant
filter, and a low pass filter, and pipe it through two sets of LADSPA
compressors jacked to max (small attack, small release, large knee,
maximum compression, small theshold) and it sounds like your average FAT
dance track snare from scratch. Penetrating enough to make your average
metal worker notice it.
This does sound cool. Hope you don't mind if i steal/borrow/use this
idea and add it to smack? It sounds good. Check out the file
compsnare.om in smack svn in you want to hear my patch for it. ;-)
Loki
3:12 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Accessibility: Tips for making sounds for the masses?
This does sound cool. Hope you don't mind if i
steal/borrow/use this
idea and add it to smack? It sounds good. Check out the file
compsnare.om in smack svn in you want to hear my patch for it. ;-)
Oh you mean you're asking me if I don't mind if you already did it? Now
that's friendly and nice thank you, LMAO!!!
Of course, by all means, I want you to use ALL of my ideas and I feel
honored you do. It's what I'm here for. It alleviates my guilt for
ripping off all of Prince's and Michael Jackson's orginal ideas they
ripped off from someone.
By the way, om is one hell of a synth. I'm going to leave behind
ZynAddSubFX for reasons of modularity, stability, real-time performance
and network transparency as soon as I figure out how to load other
patches with Om than the smack 909's.
I'd ask somewhere but I'm too scared of the ninja.
Carlo
4:14 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Accessibility: Tips for making sounds for the masses?
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 09:11:46AM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
I'd ask somewhere but I'm too scared of the
ninja.
/me steps out of the shadows
There are no ninjas here. One zombie, that's all.
#lad and #om have been free of ninja/zombies since months.
There's also an om mailing list.
Cheers,
Thorsten Wilms
4:57 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Accessibility: Tips for making sounds for the masses?
On 2/24/06, Carlo Capocasa <capocasa(a)gmx.net> wrote:
There are other example patches for om, all the ones in the patches
dir that comes with om, though the recent ones work better. The 303
patch is pretty good, though make sure you have all the ladspa, they
are all linked from the om wiki so they should be easy to find.
Loki
This does sound cool. Hope you don't mind if
i steal/borrow/use this
idea and add it to smack? It sounds good. Check out the file
compsnare.om in smack svn in you want to hear my patch for it. ;-)
Oh you mean you're asking me if I don't mind if you already did it? Now
that's friendly and nice thank you, LMAO!!!
Of course, by all means, I want you to use ALL of my ideas and I feel
honored you do. It's what I'm here for. It alleviates my guilt for
ripping off all of Prince's and Michael Jackson's orginal ideas they
ripped off from someone.
By the way, om is one hell of a synth. I'm going to leave behind
ZynAddSubFX for reasons of modularity, stability, real-time performance
and network transparency as soon as I figure out how to load other
patches with Om than the smack 909's.
I'd ask somewhere but I'm too scared of the ninja.
Carlo
5:36 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Accessibility: Tips for making sounds for the masses?
There are other example patches for om, all the ones
in the patches
dir that comes with om, though the recent ones work better. The 303
patch is pretty good, though make sure you have all the ladspa, they
are all linked from the om wiki so they should be easy to find.
Well I'm not telling you the error messages I'm getting until I'm
throughly convinced Thorsten isn't just trying to lure me onto #om while
his mom is setting the table for their annual zombie gettogether.
It's hard for me to trust ninjas. I was bitten by one when I was a kid.
Carlo
6:30 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Accessibility: Tips for making sounds for the masses?
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 11:35:43AM +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Well I'm not telling you the error messages I'm getting until I'm
throughly convinced Thorsten isn't just trying to lure me onto #om while
his mom is setting the table for their annual zombie gettogether.
You could use a clever nick like 'tastenogood' or 'brainless'
(zombies like to eat brains). So nobody will know it's you
and should there be any zombies, they will lose interest
imediately.
But actualy we don't want people asking stupid questions in
#om anyway. It's only for those who don't need to ask anymore,
idly meditating in a state of enlightenment :p
Best,
Thorsten Wilms
6:41 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Accessibility: Tips for making sounds for the masses?
:p
... and enjoy stuffing lots of cookies in the left side of their mouths.
That reminds me of a yogi I heard once who performed tantric initiations
on all his disciples wives and demanded ice cream every morning for the
purpose of cleansing... something.
:)
Okay in the hopes of agonizing the zombies with the sheer power of my
smell I will bravely go where no ninjaphobic has gone before. Power
phrases are locked and loaded.
OMMMMMMMMMMMMM.........
##############............
Carlo
27 Feb
27 Feb
1:01 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Accessibility: Tips for making sounds for the masses?
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Fri, 24 Feb, 2006 at 12:55AM +0100, Carlo Capocasa
spake thus:
Some people write music in order to communicate something to others - to
express something. There has been music written for 'patriotic' reasons,
religious reasons, love songs, rabble-rousing, etc.
If a composer wants something to be understood from his work, sometimes
it may follow that he would like people to choose to listen to it.
Or maybe he wants to get paid!
Personally I feel the same as James ('Personally, I make what I enjoy
making'), *and* the same as Carlo ('The reaction I want from people is:
"MAAAAAAN that's so cool why can't the sucker produce as fast as I can
listen? MORE MORE MORE!!!!"').
Maybe I expect too much...
Cheers,
Michael
It is my goal to make music as accessible as possible, IE it's gotta be
valuable to your average working man (or teenager) in terms of
entertainment, identity, cult status, etc.
The reaction I want from people is: "MAAAAAAN that's so cool why can't
the sucker produce as fast as I can listen? MORE MORE MORE!!!!"
That's an interesting position. Are you looking at making music
commercially, or do you see acceptance as one of the qualities of
music that you'd like to be able to quantify and add as much of as you
want?
Personally, I make what I enjoy making. It still surprises me that
what I try to do is quite different from what I listen to normally. 
28 Feb
28 Feb
10:02 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Accessibility: Tips for making sounds for the masses?
On Fri, 2006-24-02 at 09:11 +0100, Carlo Capocasa wrote:
By the way, om is one hell of a synth. I'm going
to leave behind
ZynAddSubFX for reasons of modularity, stability, real-time performance
and network transparency as soon as I figure out how to load other
patches with Om than the smack 909's.
The bundled examples are admittedly crap. Check the wiki, there's links
to some pretty decent ones.
I'd ask somewhere but I'm too scared of the
ninja.
And rightfully so. I won't even think twice before pwning usars without
teh VCF pluginz :)
Stop by in #om on Freenode, Om 0.3.0 release is coming soon and I could
use all the help testing possible.
-DR-
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