8 Dec
2009
8 Dec
'09
9:16 a.m.
Greetings,
I thought some of you might be interested to know that Christian Borss's
HybridReverb2 won 2nd place in the KVRaudio Developers Challenge. The
plugin is a VST in native Linux format. I've tested it in JOST 0.5.5, it
worked fine there, so it should work as well in Renoise, eXT2, and
perhaps QTractor. Free, GPL.
http://www2.ika.rub.de/HybridReverb2/
Another native VST reverb has been released by KResearch. I tested the
KR-ReverbFS plugin under JOST, it seems to work well there. Free, closed
source.
http://www.kresearch.com/
The Loomer company has released a new string synthesizer, available for
Linux as a native VST plugin or in a standalone version. Untested here.
The Loomer stuff is commercial software, a bit too pricey for me, but
I've heard good reports from users.
http://www.loomer.co.uk/
Best,
dp
8 Dec
8 Dec
11:04 a.m.
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 08:16:58 Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings,
I thought some of you might be interested to know that Christian Borss's
HybridReverb2 won 2nd place in the KVRaudio Developers Challenge. The
plugin is a VST in native Linux format. I've tested it in JOST 0.5.5, it
worked fine there, so it should work as well in Renoise, eXT2, and
perhaps QTractor. Free, GPL.
http://www2.ika.rub.de/HybridReverb2/
Thanks for the link.
A warning to all though. The *whole shebang* is not Free even though the code
is GPL. The link indicates that you cannot make use of what is supplied for
commercial purposes without further permission.
Just a heads up.
drew
11:08 a.m.
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 10:04:21 drew Roberts wrote:
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 08:16:58 Dave Phillips
wrote:
Reply to self...
Oops. I may have read that wrong. Could someone check the English and comment.
Or better yet, could someone who has already downloaded the package comment?
Greetings,
I thought some of you might be interested to know that Christian Borss's
HybridReverb2 won 2nd place in the KVRaudio Developers Challenge. The
plugin is a VST in native Linux format. I've tested it in JOST 0.5.5, it
worked fine there, so it should work as well in Renoise, eXT2, and
perhaps QTractor. Free, GPL.
http://www2.ika.rub.de/HybridReverb2/
Thanks for the link.
A warning to all though. The *whole shebang* is not Free even though the
code is GPL. The link indicates that you cannot make use of what is
supplied for commercial purposes without further permission.
Just a heads up.
drew
drew
11:19 a.m.
drew Roberts wrote:
These quotes are from the site:
"The room impulse responses (presets) which come with /HybridReverb2/
are property of the Institute of Communication Acoustics,
Ruhr-Universität Bochum, and are free for non-commercial use. The VST
plugin is available under the GNU General Public License (GPL)."
"... the source code for the convolution library /libHybridConv/
(included in "HybridReverb2-2.0.2_20091104.tgz") ... is available under
the GNU Library General Public License (LGPL). "
Clear ?
Best,
dp
A warning to
all though. The *whole shebang* is not Free even though the
code is GPL. The link indicates that you cannot make use of what is
supplied for commercial purposes without further permission.
Just a heads up.
Reply to self...
Oops. I may have read that wrong. Could someone check the English and comment.
Or better yet, could someone who has already downloaded the package comment?
11:46 a.m.
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 16:19:14 Dave Phillips wrote:
These quotes are from the site:
"The room impulse responses (presets) which come with /HybridReverb2/
are property of the Institute of Communication Acoustics,
Ruhr-Universität Bochum, and are free for non-commercial use. The VST
plugin is available under the GNU General Public License (GPL)."
"... the source code for the convolution library /libHybridConv/
(included in "HybridReverb2-2.0.2_20091104.tgz") ... is available under
the GNU Library General Public License (LGPL). "
Clear ?
So with a free impulse-response all should be well?
But why use a VST plugin under linux to apply an IR when there is already
jconvolver present?
*me wonders*
Arnold
2:09 p.m.
Arnold Krille wrote:
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 16:19:14 Dave Phillips
wrote:
Hi Arnold,
Some reasons come to this mind:
A functional GUI.
Better sound.
Choice.
I prefer the color yellow with my reverb's UI.
VST plugins mean the world to me.
Just some possible answers to your question. They are not necessarily
valid, true, or believable, they're just possible replies.
HTH,
dp
These quotes are from the site:
"The room impulse responses (presets) which come with /HybridReverb2/
are property of the Institute of Communication Acoustics,
Ruhr-Universität Bochum, and are free for non-commercial use. The VST
plugin is available under the GNU General Public License (GPL)."
"... the source code for the convolution library /libHybridConv/
(included in "HybridReverb2-2.0.2_20091104.tgz") ... is available under
the GNU Library General Public License (LGPL). "
Clear ?
So with a free impulse-response all should be well?
But why use a VST plugin under linux to apply an IR when there is already
jconvolver present?
*me wonders*
Arnold
3:35 p.m.
New subject: Gui for convolution engine (was: some news from KVRaudio)
Hi,
part of this is also an answer to Paul's mail, but Dave has a longer list to
work on:-)
I haven't looked at the gui provided by this KVRaudio plugin. So these are
"clean-room" thoughts... (Today we had a fire-alarm in our clean-room at work:)
On Tuesday 08 December 2009 19:09:48 Dave Phillips wrote:
Arnold Krille wrote:
Okay. But that should only apply when you change the mix-level or the IR,
either its parameters, which results in a re-calculation of the IR, or the
file. Both are probably not things you would automate inside a session. Unless
the position of the source is a parameter for a big artificial convolution to
simulate whole acoustic environments. I think most people just use an IR of
some nice room to have a hall-effect...
But why use a VST plugin under linux to apply an
IR when there is already
jconvolver present?
*me wonders*
Some reasons come to this mind:
A functional GUI. Better sound.
Why does the sound improve when I use a convolution-engine as a plugin opposed
to using it standalone?
Choice.
Choice of the convolution engine? Choice of the gui? Choice of the gui-
toolkit?
I prefer the color yellow with my reverb's UI.
:-) 'nuff said
VST plugins mean the world to me.
Using windows VST's inside a linux environment is a valid reason for converts.
Native linux VST's have no advantage over native LADSPA/DSSI/LV2 plugins.
Except for the non-free license of the header/sdk from steinberg and the
possible legal problems with the clean-room reconstructions of the api/abi.
Just some possible answers to your question. They are
not necessarily
valid, true, or believable, they're just possible replies.
/me writes "writing a ladspa plugin using libzita-convolve" on his todo-
list:-)
Have fun,
Arnold
3:52 p.m.
New subject: Gui for convolution engine (was: some news from KVRaudio)
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Arnold Krille <arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
That's inaccurate.
One reason that I use VSTs is because they can sync to tempo (with VST
hosts that support it). The specs for LADSPA and DSSI don't allow for
syncing to tempo. LV2 does not currently support syncing to tempo,
but could in the future with an LV2 extension.
--
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devin (at) charityfinders (dot) com
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synthclone - http://synthclone.googlecode.com/
VST plugins
mean the world to me.
Using windows VST's inside a linux environment is a valid reason for converts.
Native linux VST's have no advantage over native LADSPA/DSSI/LV2 plugins.
Except for the non-free license of the header/sdk from steinberg and the
possible legal problems with the clean-room reconstructions of the api/abi. 
6:16 p.m.
New subject: Gui for convolution engine (was: some news from KVRaudio)
On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 08:34:56PM +0100, Arnold Krille wrote:
Actually the thing I'm still working on will provide
similar facities. I don't think they a luxury.
I attach two jconvolver config templates that will allow
using the reverbs provided in the Hybridreverb database
with jconvolver.
BTW, Christian Borss' convolution processor is really very
well designed. It uses some clever tricks to optimise the
2x2 and 2x4 cases with all convolutions having equal length.
Zita-convolver can't use such tricks as it is meant to be
general-purpose.
Ciao,
===============================================================================
hybridreverb-stereo.conf
# -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# Copyright (C) 2009 Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)kokkinizita.net>
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
#
# -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
#
# Jconvolver example configuration
# --------------------------------
#
#
# This configuration is a template for using the reverbs in
# the database provided with Christian Borss' Hybridreverb
# program.
#
# This template uses only the front L,R outputs. To create
# a config file for a specific reverb modify the /cd command
# below to point to the required directory, and if necessary
# adjust the 'maxsize' parameter. The latter will be necessary
# if you use the 'church' reverb. The minimum value required
# is the lenght (in samples) of the IRs which you can find e.g.
# using sndfile-info.
#
# The reverbs in this database do include the direct (dry) sound,
# to remove this set the 'offset' parameter to e.g. 256.
#
#
#
# Replace by the path to the reverb you want to use.
#
/cd /audio/reverbs/hybridreverb-database/large_concert_hall/music/8m
#
#
# in out partition maxsize
# -----------------------------------------------
/convolver/new 2 2 256 120000
#
#
# num port name connect to
# -----------------------------------------------
/input/name 1 Input.L
/input/name 2 Input.R
#
/output/name 1 Output.FL
/output/name 2 Output.FR
#
#
# in out gain delay offset length chan file
#---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
/impulse/read 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 left_fl.wav
/impulse/read 1 2 1 0 0 0 1 left_fr.wav
/impulse/read 2 1 1 0 0 0 1 right_fl.wav
/impulse/read 2 2 1 0 0 0 1 right_fr.wav
===============================================================================
hybridreverb-surround.conf
# -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# Copyright (C) 2009 Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)kokkinizita.net>
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
#
# -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
#
# Jconvolver example configuration
# --------------------------------
#
# This configuration is a template for using the reverbs in
# the database provided with Christian Borss' Hybridreverb
# program.
#
# This template uses all four surround outputs. To create
# a config file for a specific reverb modify the /cd command
# below to point to the required directory, and if necessary
# adjust the 'maxsize' parameter. The latter will be necessary
# if you use the 'church' reverb. The minimum value required
# is the lenght (in samples) of the IRs which you can find e.g.
# using sndfile-info.
#
# The reverbs in this database do include the direct (dry) sound,
# to remove this set the 'offset' parameter to e.g. 256.
#
#
#
# Replace by the path to the reverb you want to use.
#
/cd /audio/reverbs/hybridreverb-database/large_concert_hall/music/8m
#
#
# in out partition maxsize
# -----------------------------------------------
/convolver/new 2 4 256 120000
#
#
# num port name connect to
# -----------------------------------------------
/input/name 1 Input.L
/input/name 2 Input.R
#
/output/name 1 Output.FL
/output/name 2 Output.FR
/output/name 3 Output.SL
/output/name 4 Output.SR
#
#
# in out gain delay offset length chan file
#---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
/impulse/read 1 1 1 0 0 0 1 left_fl.wav
/impulse/read 1 2 1 0 0 0 1 left_fr.wav
/impulse/read 1 3 1 0 0 0 1 left_sl.wav
/impulse/read 1 4 1 0 0 0 1 left_sr.wav
/impulse/read 2 1 1 0 0 0 1 right_fl.wav
/impulse/read 2 2 1 0 0 0 1 right_fr.wav
/impulse/read 2 3 1 0 0 0 1 right_sl.wav
/impulse/read 2 4 1 0 0 0 1 right_sr.wav
===============================================================================
--
FA
A functional
GUI.
Okay. But that should only apply when you change the mix-level or the IR,
either its parameters, which results in a re-calculation of the IR, or the
file. Both are probably not things you would automate inside a session. Unless
the position of the source is a parameter for a big artificial convolution to
simulate whole acoustic environments. I think most people just use an IR of
some nice room to have a hall-effect... 
9 Dec
9 Dec
3:47 a.m.
New subject: Gui for convolution engine
Arnold Krille wrote:
Native linux VST's have no advantage over native
LADSPA/DSSI/LV2 plugins.
Except for the non-free license of the header/sdk from steinberg and the
possible legal problems with the clean-room reconstructions of the api/abi.
Is there a ladspa/dssi plugin that does convolution reverb?
--
Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
5:27 a.m.
Arnold Krille wrote:
But why use a VST plugin under linux to apply an IR
when there is already
jconvolver present?
I just installed jconvolver, but it doesn't seem to work as a plugin
(ladspa, for instance), is that correct?
In that case exactly *that* would be a reason for me to use
HybridReverb2. I really, really appreciate the simplicity of having a
single app that saves one file. I used to have a setup of lots and lots
of single FLOSS apps that was interconnected using jack. But after
switching to a single host, my life has been so much simpler, my
productivity so much higher and my smile so much wider :-)
Not saying my solution works for everyone, though!
--
Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
8 Dec
8 Dec
1:05 p.m.
On Tuesday 08 of December 2009 14:16:58 Dave Phillips wrote:
The plugin is a VST in native Linux format. I've
tested it in JOST
0.5.5, it worked fine there, so it should work as well in Renoise,
eXT2, and perhaps QTractor. Free, GPL.
Where do I get Jost 0.5.5? The latest version on the site is 0.5.4,
which is a year old and seems quite buggy, to say the least (not to
mention several issues that appear to be "by design"...).
Also, is there any way to run these VSTs in a host with no GUI, i.e.
something in the vein of jack-dssi-host for native VSTs?
Dominic
2:26 p.m.
Il giorno Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:03:34 +0100
Dominic Sacré <dominic.sacre(a)gmx.de> ha scritto:
Where do I get Jost 0.5.5?
maybe here:
http://code.google.com/p/juced/
ciao
Luigi
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