12 Aug
2007
12 Aug
'07
7:51 p.m.
I have a 64bit machine with a AMD sempron processor carried by a
motherboard with one of those 'all in blunder' combined sound and
graphics chipsets (sis) in a low-profile case. I'm not concerned about
the sound as I don't use it for mastering, just office work and
noodling around with audio.
It seems that current drivers for this chipset are buggy as I get all
sorts of graphics nasties with debian etch, 64studio, PClinuxOS,
mandriva (you get the general idea). Oddly a very old version of
Mandrake has no problems nor does the 0.9 version of 64studio.
What I would like to do is find a reasonable quality, quiet, low profile
graphics card that definitely has working drivers.
Any suggestions?
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Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
12 Aug
12 Aug
8:05 p.m.
a relatively recent (6000 series or better) nvidia based chipset with the
nvidia drivers will be the best inho.
best,
g.
8:11 p.m.
On 8/12/07, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
I have a 64bit machine with a AMD sempron processor
carried by a
motherboard with one of those 'all in blunder' combined sound and
graphics chipsets (sis) in a low-profile case. I'm not concerned about
the sound as I don't use it for mastering, just office work and
noodling around with audio.
It seems that current drivers for this chipset are buggy as I get all
sorts of graphics nasties with debian etch, 64studio, PClinuxOS,
mandriva (you get the general idea). Oddly a very old version of
Mandrake has no problems nor does the 0.9 version of 64studio.
What I would like to do is find a reasonable quality, quiet, low profile
graphics card that definitely has working drivers.
Any suggestions?
Intel is the only graphic card manufacturer that I know of that
provide full specs of there card so devs can actually develop a _real_
driver, without spending years to reverse engineer stuff. The
consequence is simple : intel cards run better than huge nvidia or ati
cards. They are also lower profile and much cheaper.
My 2 cents
Cheers,
__________________
Marc-Olivier Barre.
8:40 p.m.
Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
Intel is the only graphic card manufacturer that I
know of that
provide full specs of there card so devs can actually develop a _real_
driver, without spending years to reverse engineer stuff. The
consequence is simple : intel cards run better than huge nvidia or ati
cards. They are also lower profile and much cheaper.
I fully agree with supporting manufacturers that provide information
for free drivers, so go ahead and buy intel if you can. However, I'm
not sure I agree with the "run better" part - in my experience the
nvidia drivers do generally function very well, especially when going
to 3D applications. The disadvantages become apparent when you have
to recompile your video driver every time the kernel changes.
A more important question though: are intel video
cards even sold separately? All I've seen sofar is on-board intel video
chipsets. If a separate card card exists, please post a model number
so I can look for it in future purchases.
Regards,
Hein Zelle
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13 Aug
13 Aug
5:35 a.m.
Hallo,
Hein Zelle hat gesagt: // Hein Zelle wrote:
A more important question though: are intel video
cards even sold separately? All I've seen sofar is on-board intel video
chipsets. If a separate card card exists, please post a model number
so I can look for it in future purchases.
I use Matrox G400/450/550 cards for years, you can get them for as
little as $/EUR 10-20 in the usual places.
Ciao
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7:15 a.m.
Hein Zelle wrote:
Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
Yes, please, my laptop has onboard Intel video and it steals 64MB of
system memory that I'd rather be using for other things.
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Intel is the only graphic card manufacturer that
I know of that
provide full specs of there card so devs can actually develop a _real_
driver, without spending years to reverse engineer stuff. The
consequence is simple : intel cards run better than huge nvidia or ati
cards. They are also lower profile and much cheaper.
I fully agree with supporting manufacturers that provide information
for free drivers, so go ahead and buy intel if you can. However, I'm
not sure I agree with the "run better" part - in my experience the
nvidia drivers do generally function very well, especially when going
to 3D applications. The disadvantages become apparent when you have
to recompile your video driver every time the kernel changes.
A more important question though: are intel video
cards even sold separately? All I've seen sofar is on-board intel video
chipsets. If a separate card card exists, please post a model number
so I can look for it in future purchases. 
11:02 a.m.
Am Montag, 13. August 2007 schrieb david:
Hein Zelle wrote:
Your laptop can be expanded with a pci-/agp-card?
I have the very strong feeling that you are fixed on your graphics device as I
have never seen a laptop that could make use of an extra video card. Except
with a docking station that has a pci-slot...
You should get more RAM for your laptop so the 64MB of the graphics don't make
a high percentage.
Arnold
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Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
Yes, please, my laptop has onboard Intel
video and it steals 64MB of
system memory that I'd rather be using for other things. Intel is the only graphic card manufacturer that
I know of that
provide full specs of there card so devs can actually develop a _real_
driver, without spending years to reverse engineer stuff. The
consequence is simple : intel cards run better than huge nvidia or ati
cards. They are also lower profile and much cheaper.
I fully agree with supporting
manufacturers that provide information
for free drivers, so go ahead and buy intel if you can. However, I'm
not sure I agree with the "run better" part - in my experience the
nvidia drivers do generally function very well, especially when going
to 3D applications. The disadvantages become apparent when you have
to recompile your video driver every time the kernel changes.
A more important question though: are intel video
cards even sold separately? All I've seen sofar is on-board intel video
chipsets. If a separate card card exists, please post a model number
so I can look for it in future purchases.
14 Aug
14 Aug
7:27 a.m.
Arnold Krille wrote:
Am Montag, 13. August 2007 schrieb david:
Sorry, no - I dashed that off fast, neglecting to mention that I've
never encountered Intel graphics on any separate card - I've seen them
on many many laptops and a growing number of desktop motherboards (I
have two such mobos here). In all cases, the Intel graphics steals
memory from the system.
Hein Zelle wrote:
Your laptop can be expanded with a pci-/agp-card? Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
Yes, please, my laptop has onboard Intel
video and it steals 64MB of
system memory that I'd rather be using for other things. Intel is the only graphic card manufacturer that
I know of that
provide full specs of there card so devs can actually develop a _real_
driver, without spending years to reverse engineer stuff. The
consequence is simple : intel cards run better than huge nvidia or ati
cards. They are also lower profile and much cheaper.
I fully agree with supporting
manufacturers that provide information
for free drivers, so go ahead and buy intel if you can. However, I'm
not sure I agree with the "run better" part - in my experience the
nvidia drivers do generally function very well, especially when going
to 3D applications. The disadvantages become apparent when you have
to recompile your video driver every time the kernel changes.
A more important question though: are intel video
cards even sold separately? All I've seen sofar is on-board intel video
chipsets. If a separate card card exists, please post a model number
so I can look for it in future purchases. I have the very strong feeling that you are fixed on
your graphics device as I
have never seen a laptop that could make use of an extra video card. Except
with a docking station that has a pci-slot...
You should get more RAM for your laptop so the 64MB of the graphics don't make
a high percentage.
It's not the precise amount or percentage (my laptop has 798MB), it's
just the principle. With even cheap junk display adapters packing
32-64MB of RAM, I'd think the Intel graphics hardware chipsets could do
the same thing ...
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David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
10:55 p.m.
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On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 12:40:07AM +0200, Hein Zelle wrote:
Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
I purchased a laptop with an Intel video chip deliberately, on purpose, even though the
same manufacturer also offered configurations with proprietary video chips.
I bought Intel as a small way to say "screw you" to Nvidia and ATI. I will not
spend money on their products as long as they keep their drivers closed and take a
dismissive attitude towards Linux. Maybe if I were doing 3D graphics or gaming, I might
not have been able to make that choice. But since I'm just doing audio, not video, it
was natural to choose freedom versus convenience.
I always advocate voting with your money; since that is the only thing that corporations
actually care about.
- -ken
Intel is the only graphic card manufacturer that
I know of that
provide full specs of there card so devs can actually develop a _real_
driver, without spending years to reverse engineer stuff. The
consequence is simple : intel cards run better than huge nvidia or ati
cards. They are also lower profile and much cheaper.
I fully agree with supporting manufacturers that provide information
for free drivers, so go ahead and buy intel if you can. However, I'm
not sure I agree with the "run better" part - in my experience the
nvidia drivers do generally function very well, especially when going
to 3D applications. The disadvantages become apparent when you have
to recompile your video driver every time the kernel changes.
A more important question though: are intel video
cards even sold separately? All I've seen sofar is on-board intel video
chipsets. If a separate card card exists, please post a model number
so I can look for it in future purchases.
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13 Aug
13 Aug
2:15 p.m.
On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 00:11 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote:
On 8/12/07, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org>
wrote:
Is Intel making PCI cards yet?
I have one in my laptop, the only modern cards without Evil Inside(TM)
that work right out of the box on any recent distro. Support Intel,
they support us ;)
Sure would be nice to have a PCI-E one to stick in the desktop....
-DR-
I have a 64bit machine with a AMD sempron
processor carried by a
motherboard with one of those 'all in blunder' combined sound and
graphics chipsets (sis) in a low-profile case. I'm not concerned about
the sound as I don't use it for mastering, just office work and
noodling around with audio.
It seems that current drivers for this chipset are buggy as I get all
sorts of graphics nasties with debian etch, 64studio, PClinuxOS,
mandriva (you get the general idea). Oddly a very old version of
Mandrake has no problems nor does the 0.9 version of 64studio.
What I would like to do is find a reasonable quality, quiet, low profile
graphics card that definitely has working drivers.
Any suggestions?
Intel is the only graphic card manufacturer that I know of that
provide full specs of there card so devs can actually develop a _real_
driver, without spending years to reverse engineer stuff. The
consequence is simple : intel cards run better than huge nvidia or ati
cards. They are also lower profile and much cheaper. 
2:55 p.m.
On 8/13/07, Dave Robillard <drobilla(a)connect.carleton.ca> wrote:
Is Intel making PCI cards yet?
I have one in my laptop, the only modern cards without Evil Inside(TM)
that work right out of the box on any recent distro. Support Intel,
they support us ;)
Sure would be nice to have a PCI-E one to stick in the desktop....
-DR-
If Intel puts out some competitive PCI-E cards I would seriously look at em
myself. I would much rather support Open Source by going with them and the
open source drivers(Though I would rather support competition by buying AMD
CPUs;). There has been a rumor about Intel starting to develop discreet
graphics, that has some credence behind it, but I haven't heard much about
it lately since they put up a job posting leaning towards it.
At the moment though I have NVidia as they work reasonably well in most
cases, but as mentioned above I would jump ship to a truly open source
driver willingly(And am hoping for good things from Nouveaux, or however you
spell it). However as my workstation is now serving dual purposes, my audio
work, and developing for a windows based game(Yes, yes, I know, a different
topic so lets not pick it up here) I have to make sure that it can get good
video performance in Windows, and still be useable in Linux for Audio work.
Seablade
4:49 p.m.
Thomas Vecchione wrote:
There has been a rumor about Intel starting to develop
discreet
graphics, that has some credence behind it, but I haven't heard much
about it lately since they put up a job posting leaning towards it.
Rather old
news, but...
http://www.intel.com/capital/news/releases/061002.htm
14 Aug
14 Aug
8:36 p.m.
What I would like to do is find a reasonable quality,
quiet, low profile
graphics card that definitely has working drivers.
Any suggestions?
I would buy an lower end (up to X850) ATI Radeon with passive cooling. These
cards are almost fully (not sure about dual head capability) supported by
opensource drivers (both 2D and 3D acceleration) included in any recent
distribution.
Regards,
Ctirad
18 Aug
18 Aug
8:18 p.m.
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:36:47 +0200
Ctirad Fertr <phanatic(a)volny.cz> wrote:
I would like to thank everyone who responded to this. I have a
temporary fix for the problem, as I've found a slightly older version
of sis_drv.so that seems to work OK on etch.
I will eventually upgrade as my reading suggests that this chipset
'steals' memory and tends to slow things down a bit.
I guess it'll be a toss-up between the Radeon & Nvidia. Unfortunately
you never seem to get a clear view of the cards in the advertising so
it's hard to tell which are lo-profile.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
What I would
like to do is find a reasonable quality, quiet, low profile
graphics card that definitely has working drivers.
Any suggestions?
I would buy an lower end (up to X850) ATI Radeon with passive cooling. These
cards are almost fully (not sure about dual head capability) supported by
opensource drivers (both 2D and 3D acceleration) included in any recent
distribution.
Regards,
Ctirad
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