9 Mar
2006
9 Mar
'06
4:56 p.m.
Hello,
I apologize if this is not the right place to ask the question, but I'd like to
know a little more about any real experience with dj-ing hardware (like Hercules
dj console, an announced product from Behringer, PCDJ console, some other product
from Stanton).
For instance, I can buy the Hercules' one for 116 Euros, but is there any chance
to make that work under Linux?
besnik
9 Mar
9 Mar
8:40 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux
On 3/10/06, besnik(a)spymac.com <besnik(a)spymac.com> wrote:
Hello,
I apologize if this is not the right place to ask the question, but I'd like
to
know a little more about any real experience with dj-ing hardware (like
Hercules
dj console, an announced product from Behringer, PCDJ console, some other
product
from Stanton).
For instance, I can buy the Hercules' one for 116 Euros, but is there any
chance
to make that work under Linux?
besnik
As far as djing hardware goes i'm very happy with my ecler hak 320,
technics sl1200's and ortofon elektro needles. As far a computer dj
stuff... why? What programs will you connect this up to? How? And what
the hell are you going to do with it? If you want djing hardware for
computer djing, try buying 2 griffin knobs
http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate/ nice, metal,
actually feels like real equipment. Though really, YOU NEED A MIXER.
No, you can't use one in a program. No. You can't. End of story. No
mixer, in any software allows you to cue properly (listen to track not
currently going to master in headphones) or have nice smooth
eq/levels. To some up, YOU NEED A MIXER. I recommend a second hand
ecler, smac or concept model. You can get them quite cheap. Any
respectable brand second hand should be fine. I.e rodec, dataq, rane,
etc.
Djplay is the only mp3 dj prog i've found that is actually somewhat
useable. I used it (plus turntables + mixer) at a gig a 1 1/2 years
ago. http://djplay.sourceforge.net/ It supports herc mixer. Though
really, buy second hand cheap turntables or cdj's and a decent mixer.
Loki
11:04 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:40 +1100, Loki Davison wrote:
actually feels like real equipment. Though really, YOU
NEED A MIXER.
No, you can't use one in a program. No. You can't. End of story. No
mixer, in any software allows you to cue properly (listen to track not
currently going to master in headphones) or have nice smooth
eq/levels.
with all due respect, although you might not consider it the right tool
for the task, ardour will allow precisely that, and via h/w control if
you want it. you just need an audio interface with at least 4 outs.
10 Mar
10 Mar
12:55 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:08:12PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:40 +1100, Loki Davison
wrote:
I think it's largely a matter of physical UI. DJ mixers are really not
complicated, but they are very well suited to the job they do. The one
key feature is the crossfader. Without that, forget it.
Ardour is of course more than flexible enough, but that's almost
irrelevant.
But hey, maybe one of these works with alsa's usb-audio driver?
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM05/Content/Numark/PR/DM950USB.html
Or this with usb-midi?
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/XSession-main.html
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
actually feels like real equipment. Though
really, YOU NEED A MIXER.
No, you can't use one in a program. No. You can't. End of story. No
mixer, in any software allows you to cue properly (listen to track not
currently going to master in headphones) or have nice smooth
eq/levels.
with all due respect, although you might not consider it the right tool
for the task, ardour will allow precisely that, and via h/w control if
you want it. you just need an audio interface with at least 4 outs.
1:17 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux
On 3/10/06, Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 10:08:12PM -0500, Paul Davis
wrote:
Truthfully, the crossfader thing is a myth. About the ui you are
totally right though. In my now 6 years of djing i have never used a
crossfader for a single mix, same as nearly all djs in my genres.
However, nice smooth transitions are not possible without nice faders
or knobs. If you had ardour connected up to some nice, long, smooth
midi faders (with enough resolution) or nice knobs it could do the job
well. I really mean you need something with hardware. The herc
consoles look like crap plastic. Good cue mixing (easy to change FAST)
smooth eqs and variable slope (if scratching and mixing) make this
quite a challenging collection of knobs required. So either lots of
expensive midi hardware or a tool actually for the job.
My mixer is actually a turntablist mixer and looks like
http://www.ecler.es/download/img_general_hak320.jpg
but many djs dream mixer and certainly mine has no faders or crossfader at all.
http://aes.harmony-central.com/113AES/Content/Allen_Heath/PR/Xone-V6-large.…
mmm oh so sexy. ;-) The new urei is also without a crossfader and it's
forbare was one of the most famous mixers ever.
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM05/Content/Soundcraft/PR/UREI-1620LE-l…
Loki
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 11:40 +1100, Loki Davison
wrote:
I think it's largely a matter of physical UI. DJ mixers are really not
complicated, but they are very well suited to the job they do. The one
key feature is the crossfader. Without that, forget it.
Ardour is of course more than flexible enough, but that's almost
irrelevant.
actually feels like real equipment. Though
really, YOU NEED A MIXER.
No, you can't use one in a program. No. You can't. End of story. No
mixer, in any software allows you to cue properly (listen to track not
currently going to master in headphones) or have nice smooth
eq/levels.
with all due respect, although you might not consider it the right tool
for the task, ardour will allow precisely that, and via h/w control if
you want it. you just need an audio interface with at least 4 outs. 
2:12 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux
However, nice smooth transitions are not possible
without nice faders
or knobs. If you had ardour connected up to some
nice, long, smooth
midi faders (with enough resolution) or nice knobs
it could do the job
well.
Can´t there be a PD processing with a "line" (or
"line~") object with a jack routing to ardour to make
a standard 127 resolution midi knob or fader work
well?
Maybe a electro bubble gum in the usb does it. I am
the one that dont have a clue about it.
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2:22 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 04:17:12PM +1100, Loki Davison wrote:
Truthfully, the crossfader thing is a myth. About the
ui you are
totally right though. In my now 6 years of djing i have never used a
crossfader for a single mix, same as nearly all djs in my genres.
However, nice smooth transitions are not possible without nice faders
or knobs.
Interesting! Maybe it's a genre thing. What do you play?
I'm not a DJ, but the hip-hop guys I've watched do things that
look to be impossible without a crossfader.
House and Trance, though, don't seem to require any really crazy fader
moves as far as I can tell. Just rock-solid tempo matching and
invisibly smooth transitions.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
2:51 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux
On 3/10/06, Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 04:17:12PM +1100, Loki Davison
wrote:
It's a genre thing. hiphop guys need a crossfader for the
cuts/scratches etc. You need smoothness for other generes. I play prog
(as in progressive house), breaks, some deep house and sometimes when
i'm annoyed techno. Mostly prog and breaks though. For prog being
really smooth is important. Stuff like Matthew dekay, hybrid, steve
lawler, nick warren, g-pal, john creamer and stephane k, etc. Big fan
of the more dirty tribal stuff. Breaks dj's are often in either camp
when it comes to scratch style mixer or rotary style mixer. As both
slow and fast transitions are needed. Trance and to some extent prog
requires a lot of key mixing i.e layering keys nicely together.
Loki
Truthfully, the crossfader thing is a myth. About
the ui you are
totally right though. In my now 6 years of djing i have never used a
crossfader for a single mix, same as nearly all djs in my genres.
However, nice smooth transitions are not possible without nice faders
or knobs.
Interesting! Maybe it's a genre thing. What do you play?
I'm not a DJ, but the hip-hop guys I've watched do things that
look to be impossible without a crossfader.
House and Trance, though, don't seem to require any really crazy fader
moves as far as I can tell. Just rock-solid tempo matching and
invisibly smooth transitions.
7:32 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: dj-ing hardware under Linux
On 3/14/06, Carlo Capocasa <capocasa(a)gmx.net> wrote:
Nothing if you have hardware to control it with. As i said before,
either a pile of expensive midi hardware or a normal dj mixer that is
actually much better for the job than a pile of expensive midi
hardware.
Loki
eq/levels. To some up, YOU NEED A MIXER. I
recommend a second hand
What's wrong with JackEQ?
Carlo
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