25 Jul
2005
25 Jul
'05
6:14 p.m.
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:32 , Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> sent:
On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 15:17 -0400, Joe Hartley wrote:
I disagree completely. Those who wrote Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox, IE should
have used the standard that was already in place. Emacs even pre-dates Mosaic.
Or should they all have used the / from vi for searches :-D All of this really
doesn't matter though, as Joe pointed out it's nice to have standards since there
are so many ;-)
Jan
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:34:41 -0400
Lee Revell rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
True, but the Emacs people should have put a stop to it years ago before
IE and Mozilla and Firefox made Ctrl-F the de facto standard. Nowadays
if you want to integrate with the rest of the modern GUI desktop you'd
better play ball. For example, most apps (Firefox and IE) use
"Ctrl-F" to 'Find in page'.
Except Evolution, which forces you to use "Ctrl-S" to 'Find (Search) in
page', because they have already bound Ctrl-F to 'Forward message'.
This is a MAJOR usability bug; "We didn't feel like doing it the normal
way" is NEVER a "good reason" for usability purposes.
One could argue that since search in Emacs has been ^s for ages, that
those who use ^f are the ones who have broken convention for no good
reason.
26 Jul
26 Jul
9:34 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Opening up the discussion
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 12:57:27PM -0700, eviltwin69(a)cableone.net wrote:
I disagree completely. Those who wrote Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox, IE should
have used the standard that was already in place. Emacs even pre-dates Mosaic.
Or should they all have used the / from vi for searches :-D All of this really
doesn't matter though, as Joe pointed out it's nice to have standards since
there
are so many ;-)
Just make key-bindings configurable some way. Maybe via .Xdefaults (or
.Xsession or whatever). But most humans can deal with using 2 or 3 different
standards at a time. Hell, it probably makes them feel like experts!
/ works to search in Firefox.
Surely Ctrl-S was used to stop scrolling on terminals since before emacs
was around. But that does not imply it's use is reserved for that purpose
only.
--
Martin
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One could argue that since search in Emacs has been ^s
for ages, that
those who use ^f are the ones who have broken convention for no good
reason.
True, but the Emacs people should have put a stop to it years ago before
IE and Mozilla and Firefox made Ctrl-F the de facto standard. Nowadays
if you want to integrate with the rest of the modern GUI desktop you'd
better play ball. 
11:17 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Opening up the discussion
Am Tuesday 26 July 2005 13:34 schrieb Martin Habets:
On Mon, Jul 25, 2005 at 12:57:27PM -0700,
eviltwin69(a)cableone.net wrote:
I disagree completely. Those who wrote Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox,
IE should have used the standard that was already in place. Emacs even
pre-dates Mosaic. Or should they all have used the / from vi for searches
:-D All of this really doesn't matter though, as Joe pointed out it's
nice to have standards since there are so many ;-)
Just make key-bindings configurable some way. Maybe via .Xdefaults (or
.Xsession or whatever). But most humans can deal with using 2 or 3
different standards at a time. Hell, it probably makes them feel like
experts!
/ works to search in Firefox.
Surely Ctrl-S was used to stop scrolling on terminals since before emacs
was around. But that does not imply it's use is reserved for that purpose
only.
Maybe "find" simply fits better into our brave new world because it sounds so
much more "geared towards success" than "search". Ok, maybe the
computer has
to search, but we do not want to know those nasty details, do we? One from
the department of "there are no problems, only challenges" ;-)
Mike.
One could argue that since search in Emacs has been ^s
for ages, that
those who use ^f are the ones who have broken convention for no good
reason.
True, but the Emacs people should have put a stop to it years ago before
IE and Mozilla and Firefox made Ctrl-F the de facto standard. Nowadays
if you want to integrate with the rest of the modern GUI desktop you'd
better play ball.
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