27 Aug
2014
27 Aug
'14
7:25 a.m.
I switched from Xfce4 to JWM. JWM does work with all apps excepted of
QjackCtl. Often I need to kill QjackCtl, because the Connect window
always is above all other windows and it's impossible to close it. I
don't want to use a tiling window manager or a WM that is nearly as
bloated, as DEs such as Xfce4. What WMs do you use?
A lightweight DE would be ok too, as long as it isn't unstable and has
got no dependencies to GNOME software. Bad coded stuff like
Enlightenment is a complete no-go. I want to handle windows with the
mouse, they should be free to overlap and I don't want to experience
issues, even not issues that happens seldom, workspaces should be
editable. JWM is nearly perfect, excepted of the QjackCTL issue.
27 Aug
27 Aug
8:02 a.m.
On 27 August 2014 07:25, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I switched from Xfce4 to JWM. JWM does work with all
apps excepted of
QjackCtl. Often I need to kill QjackCtl, because the Connect window
always is above all other windows and it's impossible to close it.
Sounds
weird. Why is it above other windows? Does not happen here. If
you don't have window decorations to close it, doesn't another click
on the Connect button in the main qjackctl window close it?
What WMs do you use?
Personally, I use openbox.
Never had any trouble.
Bad coded stuff like
Enlightenment is a complete no-go.
Wondering why you say this though. I thought
Enlightenment was pretty
good stuff, and I wanted to try it out sometime.
Arve
9:47 a.m.
On 08/27/2014 08:01 AM, Arve Barsnes wrote:
On 27 August 2014 07:25, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
> I switched from Xfce4 to JWM. JWM does work with all apps excepted of
> QjackCtl. Often I need to kill QjackCtl, because the Connect window
> always is above all other windows and it's impossible to close it.
Untick "Keep child windos always on top" in Setup - Misc.
Sounds weird. Why is it above other windows? Does not
happen here. If
you don't have window decorations to close it, doesn't another click
on the Connect button in the main qjackctl window close it?
Same here. In the past I had issues with Java applications but with the
version I'm using now (3.5.0) I don't recall having any issues.
Jeremy
What WMs do you use?
Personally, I use
openbox. Never had any trouble. 
8:46 a.m.
On 08/26/2014 07:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I switched from Xfce4 to JWM. JWM does work with all
apps excepted of
QjackCtl. Often I need to kill QjackCtl, because the Connect window
always is above all other windows and it's impossible to close it. I
don't want to use a tiling window manager or a WM that is nearly as
bloated, as DEs such as Xfce4. What WMs do you use?
A lightweight DE would be ok too, as long as it isn't unstable and has
got no dependencies to GNOME software. Bad coded stuff like
Enlightenment is a complete no-go. I want to handle windows with the
mouse, they should be free to overlap and I don't want to experience
issues, even not issues that happens seldom, workspaces should be
editable. JWM is nearly perfect, excepted of the QjackCTL issue.
Hmm, what're your issues with "bloat" in Xfce4? Has worked here for many
years on some pretty limited (old) hardware.
Only times I've had to go to something less "bloated" I like OpenBox.
Only had to do that for memory-intensive graphics processing, so I don't
recall encountering any problems with QJackCtl.
--
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
11:24 a.m.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:25:41 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I switched from Xfce4 to JWM. JWM does work with all
apps excepted of
QjackCtl. Often I need to kill QjackCtl, because the Connect window
always is above all other windows and it's impossible to close it. I
don't want to use a tiling window manager or a WM that is nearly as
bloated, as DEs such as Xfce4. What WMs do you use?
I used to experiment with WMs but I use Openbox since quite a while. It
does all the common stuff just fine, the only thing is that you get
into the intricacies of menu building. I ended up managing my menus
manually, which can be annoying, but at least they are categorised as I
want them too and not full of crud. There are helper programs for that
but they could be better (I'm thinking of obmenu). The other thing is
that the configurations are all XML and for advanced stuff it may be
necessary to edit the XML files by hand, something I do not enjoy.
Since a while ago I even have simple manual tiling working, without any
additional software.
A lightweight DE would be ok too, as long as it
isn't unstable and has
got no dependencies to GNOME software. Bad coded stuff like
Enlightenment is a complete no-go.
I actually like enlightenment (e17) for some reason. When I tested it
in the past it was a bit buggy though, but almost worse was that all
the themes had a lot of *bling*, meaning artificial gloss and fancy
animations and other stuff I can't stand. Of course they wanted to show
off that they can do that with low resource usage and without
compositing, which is cool, but they should have included at least one
really boring simple theme. Maybe I'll give it another spin some time.
Regards,
Philipp
12:52 p.m.
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I don't know why the QjackCtl Window sometimes is above the other
windows when using JWM. JWM provides to chose the behavior, but if I
would chose Layer > Above, then at least the Window buttons would be
available. I guess I should test openbox, editing xml files isn't an
issue, I needed to edit JWM's xml config. A small menu is what I want,
for JWM the menu only provides what I often need and by
Alt+F3 xfce4-appfinder is launched. I use JWM with a few Xfce4 apps, but
I replaced many Xfce4 apps by other apps. Xfce4 is stable, RAM and
computer's horsepower aren't issues, but I dislike some Xfce4 stuff. I
don't want crappy GNOME software, I want a perfect terminal emulation,
etc. this is possible with Xfce4, but you need to care about it, remove
gvfs, install roxterm, xfe, rodent or similar, when the Xfce4 defaults
are not exactly what you want. JWM doesn't suffer from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacking_window_manager#Limitations . Does
openbox suffer from those issues?
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 11:24 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
I actually like enlightenment (e17) for some reason.
When I tested it
in the past it was a bit buggy though, but almost worse was that all
the themes had a lot of *bling*, meaning artificial gloss and fancy
animations and other stuff I can't stand. Of course they wanted to show
off that they can do that with low resource usage and without
compositing, which is cool, but they should have included at least one
really boring simple theme. Maybe I'll give it another spin some time.
All the times I tested it, when people claimed that it shouldn't have
bugs anymore, it still was buggy and I also can't stand the themes. They
were ok many years ago, for those who wanted themes in keeping with the
period.
I want themes that are close to GUIs I prefer.
Fit's to my taste:
http://www.alonsoruibal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/rakarrack.png
Doesn't fit to my taste:
http://guitarix.sourceforge.net/slideshow//gx1.png
I don't care about the design, I can live with gloss and fancy, but the
workflow is important. Not only applications nowadays provide a workflow
I dislike, but also DEs, e.g. Unity and GNOME. I learned audio
engineering in the 80th, so it just might be that I'm addicted to
self-explaining, pragmatic workflows, the new playful toy appeal might
have it's advantages too, but it's not the way I want to go.
1:18 p.m.
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:52:40 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I don't know why the QjackCtl Window sometimes is
above the other
windows when using JWM. JWM provides to chose the behavior, but if I
would chose Layer > Above, then at least the Window buttons would be
available. I guess I should test openbox, editing xml files isn't an
issue, I needed to edit JWM's xml config. A small menu is what I want,
for JWM the menu only provides what I often need and by
Alt+F3 xfce4-appfinder is launched. I use JWM with a few Xfce4 apps,
but I replaced many Xfce4 apps by other apps. Xfce4 is stable, RAM and
computer's horsepower aren't issues, but I dislike some Xfce4 stuff. I
don't want crappy GNOME software, I want a perfect terminal emulation,
etc. this is possible with Xfce4, but you need to care about it,
remove gvfs, install roxterm, xfe, rodent or similar, when the Xfce4
defaults are not exactly what you want. JWM doesn't suffer from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacking_window_manager#Limitations .
Does openbox suffer from those issues?
Openbox comes pretty much bare bones, so you can use whatever you want
for things like panels, clipboard, terminals and so on, it's just a
window manager with a menu system (and you can fill the menu however
you like).
Editing the XML files is rarely needed, there are programs like obconf,
obmenu and obkey that can do that for you most of the time.
I think it does suffer from that, but what is described there is just
something that happens when a program freezes. That happens rarely
enough not to be a problem.
Regards,
Philipp
2:10 p.m.
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On 08/27/2014 12:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I don't know why the QjackCtl Window sometimes is
above the other
windows when using JWM.
Did you already check the "Keep child windows on top" setting in
QjackCtl's Setup - Misc window?
I want themes that are close to GUIs I prefer.
Fit's to my taste:
http://www.alonsoruibal.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/rakarrack.png
Doesn't fit to my taste:
http://guitarix.sourceforge.net/slideshow//gx1.png
First one is a Clearlooks-like theme, that's available for Openbox.
Second is a default Openbox theme. No need to edit any files, just use
obconf to switch themes.
Jeremy
2:33 p.m.
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 14:10 +0200, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
Did you already check the "Keep child windows on
top" setting in
QjackCtl's Setup - Misc window?
Yes it's disabled. It's definitively a bug, the Window not only is above
all other Windows and there's no way to change this, often it's also on
all virtual desktops. This doesn't happen always, just sometimes and
only for QjackCtl. It never happened on Xfce4, just with JWM. The Window
buttons might be there, but under JWMs panel. The only thing I can do is
Ctrl+Alt+F2 (tty) and kill QjackCtl. Fortunately jackd and all music
apps can continue to run and only QjackCtl needs to be launched again.
2:40 p.m.
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 14:33 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 14:10 +0200, Jeremy Jongepier
wrote:
Next time I will not run "killall qjackctl" but test "jwm
-restart".
Did you already check the "Keep child
windows on top" setting in
QjackCtl's Setup - Misc window?
Yes it's disabled. It's definitively a bug, the Window not only is above
all other Windows and there's no way to change this, often it's also on
all virtual desktops. This doesn't happen always, just sometimes and
only for QjackCtl. It never happened on Xfce4, just with JWM. The Window
buttons might be there, but under JWMs panel. The only thing I can do is
Ctrl+Alt+F2 (tty) and kill QjackCtl. Fortunately jackd and all music
apps can continue to run and only QjackCtl needs to be launched again.
2:42 p.m.
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 14:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 14:33 +0200, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
Can't be done from tty ;D.
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 14:10 +0200, Jeremy
Jongepier wrote:
Next time I will not run "killall qjackctl" but test "jwm
-restart". Did you already check the "Keep child
windows on top" setting in
QjackCtl's Setup - Misc window?
Yes it's disabled. It's definitively a bug, the Window not only is above
all other Windows and there's no way to change this, often it's also on
all virtual desktops. This doesn't happen always, just sometimes and
only for QjackCtl. It never happened on Xfce4, just with JWM. The Window
buttons might be there, but under JWMs panel. The only thing I can do is
Ctrl+Alt+F2 (tty) and kill QjackCtl. Fortunately jackd and all music
apps can continue to run and only QjackCtl needs to be launched again.
3:20 p.m.
On 08/27/2014 02:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
In most cases prepending your command with DISPLAY=:0 should work.
Otherwise check what the value of the $DISPLAY variable is in X.
Jeremy
> Next time
I will not run "killall qjackctl" but test "jwm -restart".
Can't be done from tty ;D.
14 Sep
14 Sep
9:57 a.m.
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On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 11:24 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:25:41 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I tested and I still will continue testing openbox.
Until now I experience JWM as much more reliable than openbox.
I set a margin for the top of openbox's workspace, as large as the panel
on top is, but many windows hide their "heads" under the panel
(fbpanel). For JWM this issue only appears with QjackCtl (JWM's own
panel, also on top ;).
Openbox comes with a few other minor issues, but they are really minor
issues, so I will continue testing. Anyway, JWM on my machine seems to
be the better choice.
Regards,
Ralf
I switched from Xfce4 to JWM. JWM does work with
all apps excepted of
QjackCtl. Often I need to kill QjackCtl, because the Connect window
always is above all other windows and it's impossible to close it. I
don't want to use a tiling window manager or a WM that is nearly as
bloated, as DEs such as Xfce4. What WMs do you use?
I used to experiment with WMs but I use Openbox since quite a while.
10:03 a.m.
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On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 09:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 11:24 +0200, Philipp Überbacher
wrote:
PS: I forgot to mention that on JWM the QjackCtl's Windows is above all
other windows and hide it's head under the panel.
I didn't use QjackCtl on openbox, but experienced issues with other
apps. The windows were not above all other windows, but they hide their
heads under the panel or they opened with most of the window left
outside the workspace and a few other problems happened, that don't
happen when using JWM.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:25:41 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I tested and I still will continue testing openbox.
Until now I experience JWM as much more reliable than openbox.
I set a margin for the top of openbox's workspace, as large as the panel
on top is, but many windows hide their "heads" under the panel
(fbpanel). For JWM this issue only appears with QjackCtl (JWM's own
panel, also on top ;).
Openbox comes with a few other minor issues, but they are really minor
issues, so I will continue testing. Anyway, JWM on my machine seems to
be the better choice.
Regards,
Ralf I switched from Xfce4 to JWM. JWM does work with
all apps excepted of
QjackCtl. Often I need to kill QjackCtl, because the Connect window
always is above all other windows and it's impossible to close it. I
don't want to use a tiling window manager or a WM that is nearly as
bloated, as DEs such as Xfce4. What WMs do you use?
I used to experiment with WMs but I use Openbox since quite a while. 
10:46 a.m.
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:03:52 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 09:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
I'd be inclined to question other aspects of your setup. I've never had any
such issues with openbox, and have been using it for many years.
Are you aware that there is a lot of customisation you can do if you delve into
the rc and menu files?
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
On Wed, 2014-08-27 at 11:24 +0200, Philipp
Überbacher wrote:
PS: I forgot to mention that on JWM the QjackCtl's Windows is above all
other windows and hide it's head under the panel.
I didn't use QjackCtl on openbox, but experienced issues with other
apps. The windows were not above all other windows, but they hide their
heads under the panel or they opened with most of the window left
outside the workspace and a few other problems happened, that don't
happen when using JWM. On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:25:41 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I tested and I still will continue testing openbox.
Until now I experience JWM as much more reliable than openbox.
I set a margin for the top of openbox's workspace, as large as the panel
on top is, but many windows hide their "heads" under the panel
(fbpanel). For JWM this issue only appears with QjackCtl (JWM's own
panel, also on top ;).
Openbox comes with a few other minor issues, but they are really minor
issues, so I will continue testing. Anyway, JWM on my machine seems to
be the better choice.
Regards,
Ralf I switched from Xfce4 to JWM. JWM does work with
all apps excepted of
QjackCtl. Often I need to kill QjackCtl, because the Connect window
always is above all other windows and it's impossible to close it. I
don't want to use a tiling window manager or a WM that is nearly as
bloated, as DEs such as Xfce4. What WMs do you use?
I used to experiment with WMs but I use Openbox since quite a while. 
11:40 a.m.
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On 14/09/14 18:46, Will Godfrey wrote:
lxde with openbox is the choice the Raspberry Pi lot made for a very low powered
device to be used by Linux noobs ... it behaves itself quite well and is very
lightweight. I haven't seen these issues, but only sometimes run X (I usually
use ssh, network sockets, gpio or triggerhappydeamon to control it ... and use
ssh -X for apps which need a window to edit them, Pd patches for example).
Attached is the ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml with plenty of comments etc for
reference.
Simon
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 10:03:52 +0200
Ralf Mardorf<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I didn't
use QjackCtl on openbox, but experienced issues with other
apps. The windows were not above all other windows, but they hide their
heads under the panel or they opened with most of the window left
outside the workspace and a few other problems happened, that don't
happen when using JWM.
I'd be inclined to question other aspects of your setup. I've never had any
such issues with openbox, and have been using it for many years.
Are you aware that there is a lot of customisation you can do if you delve into
the rc and menu files?
2:46 p.m.
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On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 19:40 +1000, Simon Wise wrote:
On 14/09/14 18:46, Will Godfrey wrote:
> Are you aware that there is a lot of customisation you can do if you delve into
> the rc and menu files?
Yes, my standard tools to set up WMs are Pluma and Nano.
Attached is the ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml with
plenty of comments etc for
reference.
Thank you, but I don't want to use a DE.
I wonder if my wish to use a panel on top of the workspace, without
hiding it, is too freakish for WMs ;).
Do you also use a panel on top of the workspace that is always visible?
On openbox I noticed that GIMP's tool windows, for layers etc. have
tendencies to hide the top of the windows under the panel and sometimes
they also open with most of it out of the workspace.
The GUI of Rakarrak also has got a tendency to open with the window's
head under the panel.
Other applications, e.g. Firefox, Qupzilla and Evolution don't cause
this issue, with or without a panel they use the workspace and open
below the margin I set up for top of the workspace.
Regards,
Ralf
3:04 p.m.
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On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 14:45 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On openbox I noticed that GIMP's tool windows, for
layers etc. have
tendencies to hide the top of the windows under the panel and sometimes
they also open with most of it out of the workspace.
GIMP's main window always opens correctly, but not only the dockable
dialog windows, but also the text tool's window could open outside of
the workspace.
4:02 p.m.
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On 09/14/2014 02:45 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
The attached lxde-rc.xml is a config for the openbox window manager,
don't get distracted by it's name ;)
Jeremy
Attached is
the ~/.config/openbox/lxde-rc.xml with plenty of comments etc for
> reference.
Thank you, but I don't want to use a DE.
4:07 p.m.
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On 14/09/14 19:40, Simon Wise wrote:
lxde with openbox is the choice the Raspberry Pi lot made for a very low powered
device to be used by Linux noobs ... it behaves itself quite well and is very
lightweight. I haven't seen these issues,
I'd forgotten one issue like that ... when pd creates a new, empty, patch its
window is positioned incorrectly in the top left with the decorations and menu
off-screen (regardless of the positioning settings). After moving with alt-drag
and saving then it re-opens correctly each time, so it has never been an issue.
I think it is an attempt by pd to keep the canvas areas aligned consistently
regardless of platform, but it doesn't always work so well.
So ... Openbox allows applications and users to place their windows badly if
they insist, you had better stick with something a bit heavier if you need more
discipline applied. It does use its margins as a border for maximise and for
'edge resistance'.
Experimenting with xfce and openbox ... pd saves the position of the top left of
its inner windows (excluding the decorations and menu) and their size in its
patch files .. then a window on openbox is opened exactly there if this inner
window would land within the display, otherwise a clumsy guess at placement and
size is made. Xfce4 over-rides this if part of the window is outside the set
margins, and moves and resizes to fit. Xfce4 always pushes the whole window
decoration out of the panel area and won't allow a window to be dragged too far
outside the margins.
I think it is a Pd issue, it is trying to place windows manually rather than
giving the WM appropriate hints. Also the WM_CLASS window property doesn't seem
to be properly set, so it isn't dealing with the whole WM thing correctly at
all, probably trying to avoid different WM and OS decisions leading to different
layouts.
There will be others which ask for awkward positions in a way that Openbox does
not fix up.
Simon
4:29 p.m.
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On Mon, 2014-09-15 at 00:07 +1000, Simon Wise wrote:
There will be others which ask for awkward positions
in a way that
Openbox does not fix up.
I guess this is the culprit I experience with JWM and openbox. Some apps
always open properly, just a few apps, for audio at least Rakarrak and
"child" windows of QjackCtl" sometimes (not always) open in a bad way.
5:03 p.m.
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On Sun, 14 Sep 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2014-09-15 at 00:07 +1000, Simon Wise wrote:
Qjackctl saves it's window positions when it exits. It then trys to open
them in the same position the next time it is opened. If you always use
the same WM, DE, and application positions it works well. If you switch
WMs maybe not so well. If you are trying different WMs, what makes sense
in one may not make sense in another. This is not the WM fault or setting.
It is not application's fault, though it may be the applications settings.
It is just the way of things using more than one WM. Right now I am using
a very small screen and the best window position changes depending on what
I am doing... so I am noticing this as well. The window does not go in
open area, but where it was last time.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
There will be others which ask for awkward
positions in a way that
Openbox does not fix up.
I guess this is the culprit I experience with JWM and openbox. Some apps
always open properly, just a few apps, for audio at least Rakarrak and
"child" windows of QjackCtl" sometimes (not always) open in a bad way.
5:32 p.m.
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On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 08:00 -0700, Len Ovens wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Yesno ;).
Even when using the same monitor and the same WM and I didn't move the
windows within one session, they sometimes open as wanted and sometimes
e.g. under the panel.
Indeed, I sometimes switch between WMs/DEs and sometimes I use another
monitor with a different screen resolution, but the GIMP screenshot was
done after using GIMP within the same openbox session, using the same
monitor and resolution, without moving the GIMP window. I just closed it
and opened GIMP sometime later again and the position changed.
The JWM issue with QjackCtl windows is a little bit different, sometimes
a QjackCtl child window opens and covers all other windows on all 4 work
spaces.
I very seldom experienced such an issue when using Xfce4 or GNOME2, but
for JWM and openbox such issues are not that seldom, it happens several
times a day.
On Mon, 2014-09-15 at 00:07 +1000, Simon Wise
wrote:
Qjackctl saves it's window positions when it exits. It then trys to open
them in the same position the next time it is opened. If you always use
the same WM, DE, and application positions it works well. If you switch
WMs maybe not so well. If you are trying different WMs, what makes sense
in one may not make sense in another. This is not the WM fault or setting.
It is not application's fault, though it may be the applications settings.
It is just the way of things using more than one WM. Right now I am using
a very small screen and the best window position changes depending on what
I am doing... so I am noticing this as well. The window does not go in
open area, but where it was last time. There will be others which ask for awkward
positions in a way that
Openbox does not fix up.
I guess this is the culprit I experience with JWM and openbox. Some apps
always open properly, just a few apps, for audio at least Rakarrak and
"child" windows of QjackCtl" sometimes (not always) open in a bad way.
3:22 p.m.
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Speaking of the devil ...
My apologies, the text window issue seems to be GIMP related.
OTOH now, for the very first time, GIMPs main window hides it's head
under the panel by just opening GIMP. I didn't move the window manually.
This seems to be openbox related.
http://picpaste.com/window_issue.png
resp. http://picpaste.com/pics/window_issue.1410700765.png
:(
4:05 p.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: Update: Lightweight WM that can be used without any issue with audio applications
On 09/14/2014 03:22 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
OTOH now, for the very first time, GIMPs main window
hides it's head
under the panel by just opening GIMP. I didn't move the window manually.
This seems to be openbox related.
I never have these issues. Did you try with a different, clean user account?
Jeremy
4:21 p.m.
New subject: Update: Lightweight WM that can be used without any issue with audio applications
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 16:05 +0200, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 09/14/2014 03:22 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
No, I didn't. But what account settings could cause this issue? Assumed
it's not a common issue, could it be related to the used graphics or the
graphics driver [1]?
Btw. sometimes I run some applications for my user session, by another
user, to e.g. get password protected histories of browsers [2] (yes,
there are smarter ways to use xhost, but it shouldn't be related to the
issue ;). I guess this shouldn't have impact to the behavior of
applications, that are launched by the user of the user's session.
[1]
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Section "Module"
Load "extmod"
Load "dri"
Load "dbe"
Load "dri2"
Load "glx"
Load "record"
Load "GLcore"
#Load "v4l"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Plug 'n' Play"
ModelName "Plug 'n' Play"
DisplaySize 305 230
HorizSync 29-98
VertRefresh 50-120
modeline "1152x864" 128.42 1152 1232 1360 1568 864 865 868 910
Gamma 1.0
EndSection
Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>:
"True"/"False",
### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f>
Hz/kHz/MHz"
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option "SWcursor" # [<bool>]
#Option "HWcursor" # [<bool>]
#Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>]
#Option "ShadowFB" # [<bool>]
#Option "VideoKey" # <i>
#Option "MergedFB" "off" #old debian/ubuntu
Identifier "Card0"
Driver "radeon"
#Driver "nvidia"
#Driver "nv"
#Driver "nouveau"
#Driver "vesa"
#VendorName "nVidia Corporation"
#BoardName "G72 [GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS]"
#BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
Defaultdepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1152x864"
#Virtual 3840 1200
EndSubSection
# SubSection "Display"
# Viewport 0 0
# Depth 1
# EndSubSection
# SubSection "Display"
# Viewport 0 0
# Depth 4
# EndSubSection
# SubSection "Display"
# Viewport 0 0
# Depth 8
# EndSubSection
# SubSection "Display"
# Viewport 0 0
# Depth 15
# EndSubSection
# SubSection "Display"
# Viewport 0 0
# Depth 16
# EndSubSection
# SubSection "Display"
# Viewport 0 0
# Depth 24
# EndSubSection
EndSection
Section "ServerFlags"
Option "BlankTime" "0"
Option "StandbyTime" "0"
Option "SuspendTime" "0"
Option "OffTime" "0"
EndSection
[2]
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /usr/local/bin/chuser
#!/bin/sh
# /usr/local/bin/chuser -> /.chuser/bin/chuser
xhost +
gksudo -u chuser "$*"
xhost -
exit
OTOH now, for the very first time, GIMPs main
window hides it's head
under the panel by just opening GIMP. I didn't move the window manually.
This seems to be openbox related.
I never have these issues. Did you try with a different, clean user account?
15 Sep
15 Sep
5:03 a.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: Update: Lightweight WM that can be used without any issue with audio applications
On 09/14/2014 04:05 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 09/14/2014 03:22 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I've occasionally had that happen with XFCE, but not with GIMP. Have had
it happen with XFCE's Thunar file manager, once with LibreOffice Writer.
Also had it happen on my wife's netbook (Ubuntu 14.02 LTS with XFCE).
Logging out and back in again (just to restart the XFCE session) fixes it.
It might be video-driver related.
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OTOH now, for the very first time, GIMPs main
window hides it's head
under the panel by just opening GIMP. I didn't move the window manually.
This seems to be openbox related.
I never have these issues. Did you try with a different, clean user account? 
27 Aug
27 Aug
4:13 p.m.
On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:25:41 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I switched from Xfce4 to JWM. JWM does work with all
apps excepted of
QjackCtl. Often I need to kill QjackCtl, because the Connect window
always is above all other windows and it's impossible to close it. I
don't want to use a tiling window manager or a WM that is nearly as
bloated, as DEs such as Xfce4. What WMs do you use?
I really like FluxBox, a derivative of BlackBox.
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