13 Aug
2006
13 Aug
'06
12:05 p.m.
Folks,
First of all, I always appreciate reading the comments and replies to
the questions. They are very useful.
Recently there was a thread about a AMD64 setup but there was no
clear mention of specific mobos that Simply Works. So I'd like to have
recommendations from folks who actually are running successfully an AMD
dual-core processor.
I presently have a MSI K8N Neo4 SLI mobo and it's certainly not
working well. I sent it also to California during the MSI recall for
the dual-core update. Didn't change much:
- USB does not work
- Audio is only stereo (although it annouces 7.1 - not very
encouraging)
- SuSE 10.0 (and 9.3) gets confused about the two ethernet ports
I have to fix them manually.
- SATA Raid support is software-based (even though it has two
different HW interfaces)
- Audacity sometimes says it can't play any audio (could be an OS
thing)
Firewire works, as well as everything else ;-) So I use it, and I
like the speed, especially with the 4 GB of RAM. I have a Zalman fan,
and, very quiet power supply, amd quiet case fans, so it's not too bad.
But I would like to get a mobo with which everything works and on
which it is possible to expand (eg. adding a M Audio card for instance)
with problems. Hardware SATA raid would be a plus, but I can live with
SW raid.
Anyone out there effectively using an AMD dual-core CPU with a 64-bit
mainboard for MIDI sequencing and audio recording purposes without
having to fiddle around a good percentage of the time ?
If so, I'd like to get the exact mobo description and I'll do
everything to get one exactly like that. Please also tell which distro
is used.
Thanks !
Al
13 Aug
13 Aug
12:31 p.m.
lanas wrote:
Recently there was a thread about a AMD64 setup but
there was no
clear mention of specific mobos that Simply Works. So I'd like to have
recommendations from folks who actually are running successfully an AMD
dual-core processor.
[snip]
Hi Al:
FWIW I've acquired a new mobo, a Gigabyte K8N51GMF. The CPU is already
installed, an Athlon 64 3800 socket 939. I plan to install the board
tomorrow, I'll notify the list when the job's done.
My MSI board was dead on arrival. It got good reviews from users, but
mine was a show-stopper.
Best,
dp
1:34 p.m.
On Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:10:39AM -0400, lanas wrote:
Folks,
First of all, I always appreciate reading the comments and replies to
the questions. They are very useful.
Recently there was a thread about a AMD64 setup but there was no
clear mention of specific mobos that Simply Works. So I'd like to have
recommendations from folks who actually are running successfully an AMD
dual-core processor.
you know that Intel's Core 2 Duo is 64bit, faster than Opteron, and equal in price,
right?
its just that its going to be damn difficult (impossible?) to find an AMD64 mobo that has
Intel video onboard, and Intel doesnt make PCIx videocards afaik.
14 Aug
14 Aug
10:40 a.m.
On 8/13/06, carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
On Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:10:39AM -0400, lanas wrote:
I'm confused. Is Intel video desirable in any way?
Folks,
First of all, I always appreciate reading the comments and replies to
the questions. They are very useful.
Recently there was a thread about a AMD64 setup but there was no
clear mention of specific mobos that Simply Works. So I'd like to have
recommendations from folks who actually are running successfully an AMD
dual-core processor.
you know that Intel's Core 2 Duo is 64bit, faster than Opteron, and equal in price,
right?
its just that its going to be damn difficult (impossible?) to find an AMD64 mobo that has
Intel video onboard, and Intel doesnt make PCIx videocards afaik.
12:11 p.m.
Paul Coccoli wrote:
Intel has open-sourced the linux DRI drivers for its integrated video.
http://www.intellinuxgraphics.org/
Intel now likely have the fastest open source hardware accelerated
opengl driver for linux. Unfortunately, you can't get discreet video
cards from Intel.
The Core 2 Duo is a great CPU too, low powered and fast.
Intel provides a great combo if you're looking for a completely
open-source platform with decent 3d acceleration.
later,
Steve
you know that
Intel's Core 2 Duo is 64bit, faster than Opteron, and
equal in price, right?
its just that its going to be damn difficult (impossible?) to find an
AMD64 mobo that has Intel video onboard, and Intel doesnt make PCIx
videocards afaik.
I'm confused. Is Intel video desirable in any way? 
12:20 p.m.
Paul Coccoli wrote:
On 8/13/06, carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote:
Intel video is desirable if
one of this conditions is met:
a) you need a decent (PCIe) system and need open source drivers
b) you only need "light" 3D acceleration (eg. OpenGL screen savers, glX,
quake3, etc) and want to save some money.
as for open source gfx drivers, there is:
1) fully supported: ATi up to R9250. recent Intel gfx is as least as
fast as this chip, but i don't know the stat of the Intel driver for
recent Intel gfx.
2) partially supported: ATi up to R9800XT. this one is faster than
recent Intel gfx. i don't know about the state of this driver either.
those radeons are both AGP only.
if you don't care if your drivers are open source or closed source, and
want performance, get an nvidia card.
On Sun Aug 13, 2006 at 10:10:39AM -0400, lanas
wrote:
I'm confused. Is Intel video desirable in any way? Folks,
First of all, I always appreciate reading the comments and
replies to
the questions. They are very useful.
Recently there was a thread about a AMD64 setup but there was no
clear mention of specific mobos that Simply Works. So I'd like to
have
recommendations from folks who actually are
running successfully an
AMD
dual-core processor.
you know that Intel's Core 2 Duo is 64bit, faster than Opteron, and
equal in price, right?
its just that its going to be damn difficult (impossible?) to find an
AMD64 mobo that has Intel video onboard, and Intel doesnt make PCIx
videocards afaik.
12:52 p.m.
I'm
confused. Is Intel video desirable in any way?
Intel video is desirable if one of
this conditions is met:
a) you need a decent (PCIe) system and need open source drivers
b) you only need "light" 3D acceleration (eg. OpenGL screen savers, glX,
quake3, etc) and want to save some
money.
1:49 p.m.
Thomas Ilnseher wrote:
2) partially supported: ATi up to R9800XT. this one is
faster than
recent Intel gfx. i don't know about the state of this driver either.
those radeons are both AGP only.
I've managed to get managed DRI acceleration on my ATI X800XL
PCI-Express. These are supported by the most recent Xorg and kernel.
I've had success with Xorg 7.0 (using EXA) and the newest 2.6.18-rc4
kernel. Mind you, performance is still quite pathetic, getting a tiny
fraction of what you might expect out of a fancy fairly recent card. 2D
speed is quite fast, but not as good as the closed source nvidia drivers.
It will be nice to seed how the Xorg radeon driver matures for the X800
cards.
later,
Steve
8:05 p.m.
lanas wrote:
Since the thread veered on Intel CPUs, is it possible
that no-one is
actually using an AMD dual-core CPU on Linux Audio ?
What are people using these days to test audio latency? I haven't done
any quantitative analysis, but things generally feel good on my Athlon
64 X2 systems.
later,
Steve
8:32 p.m.
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:05:35 -0700
Stephen Hassard <steve(a)hassard.net> wrote:
lanas wrote:
> Since the thread veered on Intel CPUs, is it possible that no-one is
> actually using an AMD dual-core CPU on Linux Audio ?
What are people using these days to test audio
latency? I haven't
done any quantitative analysis, but things generally feel good on my
Athlon 64 X2 systems.
All right. Which mainboard are you using ? Is the USB working ? The
audio ? Is there a working hardware SATA RAID ? What about the
ethernet ports, is there any problem with them ?
Thanks.
Al
9:46 p.m.
lanas wrote:
Recently, I've tried the following motherboards:
Asus A8R32-MVP (ATI Xpress 3200 Chipset w/ ALI Southbridge)
Asus A8N32-SLI (Nvidia dual PCI-Express 16X Chipset)
Both boards worked well with recent kernels (anything 2.6.16 or greater
seemed to work well).
USB works perfectly on both boards.
SATA works well on both boards. Very recent kernels (somewhere in the
2.6.17 or .18, I can't remember which offhand) support NCQ for the AHCI
chipset, which seems to give a nice speed boost to hard drive
performance when multi-tasking. I haven't tried on-board RAID. NCQ is
supposed to be supported for the sata_nv, but is a way off.
I haven't tried on-board audio much on either board due to me using an
SB Audigy2, but audio on both boards seems to be detected.
Ethernet on the boards is well supported by recent kernels. The
A8R32-MVP has two Marvell NICs (a PCI-Express and regular PCI model).
Unfortunately neither of these seems to work with older kernels. The
A8N32-SLI has a built-in forcedeth NIC, and a Marvell PCI-Express. The
forcedeth works perfectly with older kernels, but the Marvell needs
something recent.
Both boards are passively cooled, which is a bonus.
later,
Steve
What are
people using these days to test audio latency? I haven't
done any quantitative analysis, but things generally feel good on my
Athlon 64 X2 systems.
All right. Which mainboard are you using ? Is the USB working ? The
audio ? Is there a working hardware SATA RAID ? What about the
ethernet ports, is there any problem with them ?
10:41 p.m.
lanas wrote:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:05:35 -0700
Stephen Hassard <steve(a)hassard.net> wrote:
i don't have an A64 X2, only an single core A64. the board manual says
it supports X2's, thou.
my board is an asrock 939DUAL-SataII.
USB works well.
SATA: the chipset integrated ports work well, and are supported.
SATA2: there is a JMicron JMB360 on this board. This is AHCI compatible,
but this bastard had thermal problems (got hot as hell, and the system
would not even boot). this was when it was ~30°C outside and ~55°C
inside the case. i only have the PSU fan ;)
I reverted to the SATA ports of the chipset due to this problems.
This is probably the only major issue with this board.
ETHERNET: supported by recent kernels, has an minor annoyance thou:
doesn't report cable connects / disconnects properly.
Thus i need to do "ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up" before using dhclient.
Audio: dunno, i have a audigy 2 ZS here.
Anyway, a would suggest to go with some AM2 solution (if you do not have
some DDR memory you want to recycle.)
in case of 939, you would now buy DDR memory, which will vanish from the
market soon.
lanas wrote:
> Since the thread veered on Intel CPUs, is it possible that no-one is
> actually using an AMD dual-core CPU on Linux Audio ?
>
What are people using these days to test audio
latency? I haven't
done any quantitative analysis, but things generally feel good on my
Athlon 64 X2 systems.
All right. Which mainboard are you using ? Is the USB working ? The
audio ? Is there a working hardware SATA RAID ? What about the
ethernet ports, is there any problem with them ?
Thanks.
Al
17 Aug
17 Aug
6:50 a.m.
Hi
lanas said:
Since the thread veered on Intel CPUs, is it possible
that no-one is
actually using an AMD dual-core CPU on Linux Audio ?
I am currently setting up a 2 x dual core opteron box for audio work. The
motherboard works well with Linux generally. It needs the
reverse-engeineered forcedeth driver for the network card but it's already
in all the distros I've tried (gentoo, ubuntu, debian, fedora, 64 studio).
My vendor had to install a beta BIOS in order to get ethernet working on
Ubuntu 6.06.
Link: http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html
I'm afraid I can't comment on audio performance yet. I want to use the
latest versions of the usual apps so I've been trying gentoo with
pro-audio overlay. however I've found it very unstable. Ubuntu is stable
but the apps are a bit behind the bleeding edge. Debian likewise. I wanted
to try PlanetCCRMA but Fedora wouldn't install for some reason, never
liked RedHat distros anyway. I'm now trying to get 64 studio working, but
it doesn't like my stupid nvidia video card. I will persevere.
Once I've got a stable, satisfactory setup I plan to post my experiences
here.
Cheers
--
Michael Pacey
7:10 a.m.
On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 09:42 +0100, Michael Pacey wrote:
I'm now trying to get 64 studio working, but
it doesn't like my stupid nvidia video card. I will persevere.
Hey,
I'm working with the 64studio guys. What exactly was the issue, and
what version of 64studio? The 1.0 release is coming very soon, but
there's probably time to fix the bug.
Lee
7:31 a.m.
Lee Revell said:
On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 09:42 +0100, Michael Pacey
wrote:
The issue is that my screen is very dark and X.org doesn't start.
I'm signed up to the devel list and actively testing / reporting bugs. I
imagine I can solve this issue by installing the proprietary nvidia module
and xorg driver but I've not yet figured out what apt sources to add.
--
Michael Pacey
I'm now trying to get 64 studio working, but
it doesn't like my stupid nvidia video card. I will persevere.
Hey,
I'm working with the 64studio guys. What exactly was the issue, and
what version of 64studio? The 1.0 release is coming very soon, but
there's probably time to fix the bug.
1:25 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 05:10 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 09:42 +0100, Michael Pacey
wrote:
Got it working with a little help from Ubuntu multiverse apt repo.
--
michael
I'm now trying to get 64 studio working, but
it doesn't like my stupid nvidia video card. I will persevere.
Hey,
I'm working with the 64studio guys. What exactly was the issue, and
what version of 64studio? The 1.0 release is coming very soon, but
there's probably time to fix the bug. 
18 Aug
18 Aug
8:14 a.m.
Le 17 Aug à 09:42, Michael Pacey ecrivait:
I am currently setting up a 2 x dual core opteron box
for audio work. The
motherboard works well with Linux generally. It needs the
reverse-engeineered forcedeth driver for the network card but it's already
in all the distros I've tried (gentoo, ubuntu, debian, fedora, 64 studio).
My vendor had to install a beta BIOS in order to get ethernet working on
Ubuntu 6.06.
Link: http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html
I'm afraid I can't comment on audio performance yet. I want to use the
latest versions of the usual apps so I've been trying gentoo with
pro-audio overlay. however I've found it very unstable.
I have absolutely no problem with the Tyan K8W model, an ATI 9600
with Xorg 1.1 (the free driver), and a RME multiface. I'm particularly
satisfied with this motherboard, everything works perfectly with Gentoo,
once you have understood, when installing, that you want to do network
with the ethernet card and not with the firewire interface :).
Y.
9:06 a.m.
Hi,
Yves Potin said:
I have absolutely no problem with the Tyan K8W
model, an ATI 9600
with Xorg 1.1 (the free driver), and a RME multiface. I'm particularly
satisfied with this motherboard, everything works perfectly with Gentoo,
once you have understood, when installing, that you want to do network
with the ethernet card and not with the firewire interface :).
Ah, are two of the four ethx interfaces really the firewire port? I
wondered what they were.
Do you use the pro-audio overlay? I was, with rt-sources 2.6.16-29rt I
think, and had very regular lockups, just starting rosegarden for
instance, and zynaddsubfx falling over after playing a few notes.
I had some teething troubles but other than hydrogen crashing once,
64-studio has been rock solid and the performance has been excellent,
although I have to admit I haven't tried running it with an smp linux
image yet. I will be doing that this weekend and hope to give it a good
thrashing.
--
Michael Pacey
20 Aug
20 Aug
8:10 p.m.
Le 18 Aug à 11:58, Michael Pacey ecrivait:
Do you use the pro-audio overlay? I was, with
rt-sources 2.6.16-29rt I
think, and had very regular lockups, just starting rosegarden for
instance, and zynaddsubfx falling over after playing a few notes.
I use the pro-audio overlay only for some apps, then I inactivate
it in the make.conf file and I use the package.provided file for these
softs not to be seen when upgrading normally the rest of the softs. I use the
stable branch of gentoo and ~x86 in the package.keywords file, and I avoid
as much as I can using cvs versions. Also, I haven't had any problem of
stability, especially with Zyn.
For the kernel, I use a vanilla one, from kernel.org, that I patch
myself (Ingo Molnar's patch, and only this one).
IMHO, the problems you encounter seems to have nothing to do with
the Tyan motherboard...
Cheers,
Y.
10:04 p.m.
My vendor had to install a beta BIOS in order to get
ethernet working on
Ubuntu 6.06.
Sounds like a problem with the Kernel Ubuntu uses, Ill have to check it
sometime as I certainly didnt do this and got a K8WE right when they
were released. My ethernet is working fine with the forcedeth driver,
though I havent tested it at gigabit speeds yet.
For the record I only have a single chip in it now, looking to upgrade
to twin dual cores, but works great for me with an NVidia card and RME
HDSP 96/32, <3mS latency with no problems, I could probably push it
farther but dont really have a need to.
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