On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 23:21 +0100, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756 - 1791) Barock (1575 - 1770) Rokoko (1730 - 1770) Perhaps Julien does like the pathos of the Barock, but not the decadence and kitsch of the Rokoko. The Symphony is ok, but I would call Rory Gallagher - Irish Tour 1974 a masterpiece and not Mozart, also he has composed stuff as ... "Der Vogelfänger bin ich ja, Stets lustig, heißa hoppsassa! Ich Vogelfänger bin bekannt Bei Alt und Jung im ganzen Land." I only own the Requiem, but haven't listen to it for years. At the moment I'm listening to High Time - MC5. Mozart isn't Rock'n'Roll, some classic compositions are Rock'n'Roll, but Rokoko? IMO > 1900 we got music, that is simply more sophisticated, from Schönberg to Hendrix. Mozart often is unintentionally hilarious seen from our period. 2 Cents, Ralf

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:01:29AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Lyrics by Schikaneder, not Mozart. And they are not any more or less stupid than for example: Hey joe, where you goin' with that gun of your hand Hey joe, i said where you goin' with that gun in your hand, oh I'm goin' down to shoot my old lady You know i caught her messin' 'round with another man by Jimi Hendrix. In both cases, they serve to paint a quick picture of a character, in Mozart's case quite a frivolous one, in Hendrix' case something more dark. If you would be capable of looking a bit deeper than the surface, you'd discover that Mozart's 'Magic Flute' is not just bourgeois divertissement but quite an eleborate exploration of the ambiguity of good vs. evil, of right vs. wrong. Ciao, -- FA Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen

I don't have a problem with the content of the lyrics, it's the kind of echoism in "heißa hoppsassa" that reminds me to some of Mozart's musical phrases, such as extensive usage of trills. Seen it from our period it sounds stiff as a poker, when it should be frolicsome. Music has to be pathetic and lyrics can be very idiotic, this isn't that important to me. I "see" "Rokoko" when I hear a little bit of some of Mozart's famous compositions. I don't know much from him. Regarding to the comparison with the kind of Rock'n'Roll, it's neither Detroit, nor true Metal, for me Mozart is comparable to Malcolm McLaren. I don't care that much about the gift. The nice thing with music IMO is, that it doesn't matter, if somebody is talented or not. For me it's important that people make music that is candid. I know less about Mozart, but his music sounds insincere to me, like things done by Malcolm McLaren. Ok, today we get unemployment benefit when we're jobless, people in the period of Mozart need to sell something, to survive, or need patrons, so it's understandable, that they need to push success. A comparison with Malcolm McLaren might be inappropriate.

david &lt;gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com&gt; writes: K. 382c, for example... (Bach's Coffee Cantata, BWV 211, is another example of a "serious" composer in a lighter mood.) -- Adam Sampson &lt;ats(a)offog.org&gt; <http://offog.org/>

On Wed, December 19, 2012 10:01 am, Chris Cannam wrote: Some of the more attentive might have noticed several refrains in that piece that have made it into popular film scores. Jaws is there and a few more very famous movies have taken chunks out of that Symphony. Makes sense too. The piece is well known so it saves on expensive learning/rehearsal time in expensive studios and the producers don't have to pay any copyright fees either. I'm still trying to get my head around Michael Jackson's works. Some people still consider him the King of Pop... Such a large range of emotions. listening now... -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd

[Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas] The trouble with Mozart is, he makes it sound so easy that many assume it's child's play. A great piece no doubt, when not played by a humming bunch of lifeless machines. (My favourite is K310 though.)

On 18/12/12 00:31, Ralf Mardorf wrote: [...] Are you sure? What exactly are you talking about? Do you feel saying something like this makes you a cool 'modern/contemporary/techno' artisti? Cultural heritage is going to pieces in many places due to the fact that in the current (bank-driven) ultra-utilitarian society where culture and humanities are considered 'ephemeral', not practically useful. When I say 'going to pieces' that is often literally; look at Pompei buildings collapsing, look at the many small museums and libraries which are (near to) closing. So I would say, please less marketing shite, less 'technology' consumerism (iStuff, smartphones and the likes), and *more* cultural heritage preservation. I would also say more education, and for music and musical culture, education to listening, not necessarily in an academic way: simply the ability to go a little deeper than just the surface. As for technology, I would say more awareness, so that people who are bombarded by ads are actually able to think, and understand what they are really being sold (and what they are often 'selling' when buying this stuff e.g. in terms of privacy). That said, I always find suspicious the hyper-contrasting arguments for 'less old, more new' as much as the 'tradition/old is beautiful new is crap' within art which is an intertwining of much more complex historical, social, cultural phenomena. It's not clear if you'd like so-called 'philological' interpretations, that is interpretations which try to perform Mozart's music in a way as accurately as possible as it was performed in those days (e.g. using original or replica instruments etc.) which is indeed very interesting, or playing Mozart music on a synth which is relatively less interesting, especially if it involves simply taking a midi file and playing it through some synth. Lorenzo.

cultural heritage isn't about preserving the past at the expense of the present day culture. its about retaining cultural memory that gives whatever the present day culture is doing some context. the efforts to create culture devoid of historical context (i'm looking at you, adorno) have failed to offer much to most of those who might receive it. you need that cultural memory in order move - not necessarily forward, but just move, move in any direction. if you don't understand where you are, your chances of going anywhere interesting other than by pure chance are not very good. when people, when cultures build *objects* to signify things of importance to them (for whatever reason), it tends to follow that if you want to understand them, and thus to some extent, to understand yourself, some kind of appreciation for those objects is necessary. you need cultural heritage to help appreciate those objects, and paradoxically, those objects are part of the same cultural heritage that offers some chance of appreciation. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Neil C Smith &lt;neil(a)neilcsmith.net&gt; wrote:

On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 12:54 +0000, Neil C Smith wrote: Correct and it doesn't mean that we don't respect or we'll forget our roots. Will anybody who worship Walter Gropius, live in Gropiusstadt? http://www.google.de/search?q=gropiusstadt&hl=de&tbo=u&tbm=isch… Tem­pi pas­sa­ti! Don't get me wrong, if I would watch an opera, I don't like stagings where an old story is adapted to modern times regarding to costumes and set design. Any heterosexual man who wants to see the chubby opera singer in a leather mini and fishnets? That's simply bad taste, she could look cute, wearing clothes that fit to her. Are aesthetics gone? OTOH it's good that Karajan and Bernstein aren't making music any more and we get new interpretation of the music. They also didn't preserve the "original" music, but coloured it and I don't like to hear their style again and again and again. Just my taste. Regards, Ralf

Mozart is a matter of taste ;). On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 22:58 +0100, Burkhard Woelfel wrote: A dead grandma did and I still love Mozartkugeln from Austria. The imported Mozartkugeln are less good and during the last years they sell in Germany not only the less good imported, but also absolutely bad fakes. I guess last time I visited Austria, including Salzburg, was around 30 years back. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Mozartkugel_Kompos… In Germany the most common are Mirabell and Reber, they are quite all right, but not perfect. The same (I guess it's Mirabell in Salzburg) did taste different in Austria and perhaps still do taste different. A bad name for such a good drug. "Bombs" would be a better name, long haired people like me are called bomb planters in Germany and btw. I was an Atari user. Regards, Ralf PS: I know your email address is a .de one, so perhaps you noticed the same.

On Tue, December 18, 2012 12:37 am, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Must be your sound system. Probably a foreshadow of approaching doom... -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd

Typo, wanted to write "sounds more organic".

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Maybe the Mayan armageddon will actually be rooted here on LAU with Pats synth Mozart stuff as in all my time on here I've never seen anything get such a thorough kicking - poor chap! It was funny that Fons should bring up the Magic Flute in response as thats full of Masonic symbolism (Mozart was a mason) so quite apt for Pat's disposition towards such stuff. Like Shakespeare, there are ramblings on the web and in print as to whether Mozart actually wrote the works attributed to him but those theorys would seem quite far fetched in comparison to the doubts over the true identity of the Bard, who was most likely actually Francis Bacon, Viscount St Alban. I'm not having this 'end of time' malarkey as pretty much everything we know about the Mayans and their calendars comes from highly questionable western interpretations of what they were on about and as far as I'm aware the Mayans themselves have never published their official interpretation. Time is a human construct and we're all immortal souls anyway but what are you doing for the 21st at 11:11 Pat? On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Patrick Shirkey &lt;pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com

same here with crap headphones. First heard at 4:10 then when there is long silence and at 8:15 at the end (different from the one at 4:10)