12 May
2006
12 May
'06
10:18 p.m.
Hi,
I'm looking for some kind of midi patchbay (in software, using alsa), that
can also process midi events, like, for example, converting note on to
control change events, etc.
In particular, I'd like to be able to:
- route midi events between input and output ports, and activate different
setups by sending midi messages
- split midi channels, e.g. to send the upper part of a keyboard to one
output port, and the lower part to another
- change midi velocity curves
- convert sustain pedal (cc 64) to appropriate note off events (I know
this one is very specific)
Is there any tool (or set of tools) that can do this?
Thanks,
Dominic
13 May
13 May
6:03 a.m.
Dominic Sacré schreef:
Hi,
I'm looking for some kind of midi patchbay (in software, using alsa), that
can also process midi events, like, for example, converting note on to
control change events, etc.
In particular, I'd like to be able to:
- route midi events between input and output ports, and activate different
setups by sending midi messages
- split midi channels, e.g. to send the upper part of a keyboard to one
output port, and the lower part to another
- change midi velocity curves
- convert sustain pedal (cc 64) to appropriate note off events (I know
this one is very specific)
Is there any tool (or set of tools) that can do this?
Thanks,
Dominic
Try Qmidiroute; you can get it at http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/
Bert
8:44 a.m.
Bert Visser kirjoitti:
Dominic Sacré schreef:
I have been interested in Qmidiroute, too, but never managed to figure out
how
to build it from sources. It doesn't even have a proper Makefile, just a bunch
of .h and .cpp files. How does one build programs like that?
JR
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Hi,
I'm looking for some kind of midi patchbay (in software, using alsa),
that can also process midi events, like, for example, converting note
on to control change events, etc.
In particular, I'd like to be able to:
- route midi events between input and output ports, and activate
different setups by sending midi messages
- split midi channels, e.g. to send the upper part of a keyboard to
one output port, and the lower part to another
- change midi velocity curves
- convert sustain pedal (cc 64) to appropriate note off events (I know
this one is very specific)
Is there any tool (or set of tools) that can do this?
Thanks,
Dominic
Try Qmidiroute; you can get it at http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/
Bert 
9:53 a.m.
Le 13 May à 13:05, Christoph Eckert ecrivait:
if it contains a .pro file:
qmake
make
It doesn't :
~/temp/qmidiroute-0.2.1 > l
total 116K
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 148 sep 21 2004 aeolus01.qmr
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 7,9K sep 21 2004 gui.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,1K sep 21 2004 gui.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 15K sep 21 2004 LICENSE
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,3K sep 21 2004 logwidget.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 683 sep 21 2004 logwidget.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,8K sep 21 2004 main.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 100 sep 21 2004 main.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,1K sep 21 2004 make_qmidiroute
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,2K sep 21 2004 mapdata.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 839 sep 21 2004 mapdata.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 14K sep 21 2004 mapwidget.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,2K sep 21 2004 mapwidget.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 8,2K sep 21 2004 midimap.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,2K sep 21 2004 midimap.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,6K sep 21 2004 passwidget.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 755 sep 21 2004 passwidget.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 874 sep 21 2004 README
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 3,0K sep 21 2004 seqdriver.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 954 sep 21 2004 seqdriver.h
Thanks in advance,
Y.
10 a.m.
On Sat, 2006-05-13 at 13:53 +0200, Yves Potin wrote:
Le 13 May à 13:05, Christoph Eckert ecrivait:
make -f make_qmidiroute
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if it contains a .pro file:
qmake
make
It doesn't :
~/temp/qmidiroute-0.2.1 > l
total 116K
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 148 sep 21 2004 aeolus01.qmr
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 7,9K sep 21 2004 gui.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,1K sep 21 2004 gui.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 15K sep 21 2004 LICENSE
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,3K sep 21 2004 logwidget.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 683 sep 21 2004 logwidget.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,8K sep 21 2004 main.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 100 sep 21 2004 main.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,1K sep 21 2004 make_qmidiroute
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,2K sep 21 2004 mapdata.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 839 sep 21 2004 mapdata.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 14K sep 21 2004 mapwidget.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 2,2K sep 21 2004 mapwidget.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 8,2K sep 21 2004 midimap.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,2K sep 21 2004 midimap.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 1,6K sep 21 2004 passwidget.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 755 sep 21 2004 passwidget.h
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 874 sep 21 2004 README
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 3,0K sep 21 2004 seqdriver.cpp
-rw-r--r-- 1 yves users 954 sep 21 2004 seqdriver.h
10:36 a.m.
Christoph Eckert kirjoitti:
Thank you all for the tips'n'hints, QMidiRoute works now :) . BTW, the
abovementioned instructions can be applied to all Qt-based little utilities
found in http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/
JR
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make -f
make_qmidiroute
depending on your distro, it may be neccessary to adjust paths in
make_qmidiroute. As it was developed on SuSE, it contains SuSE paths.
Best regards
ce
6:16 p.m.
On Saturday, 13. May 2006 10:02, Bert Visser wrote:
Thanks, Qmidiroute seems to let me do at least some of the things I'm
looking for. But what's missing for me is, most importantly, the ability
to switch between different setups, controlled via midi.
So if there's something that I can use in addition to (or instead of)
Qmidiroute to do this, please let me know!
Dominic
I'm
looking for some kind of midi patchbay (in software, using alsa),
that can also process midi events, like, for example, converting note
on to control change events, etc.
In particular, I'd like to be able to:
- route midi events between input and output ports, and activate
different setups by sending midi messages
- split midi channels, e.g. to send the upper part of a keyboard to
one output port, and the lower part to another
- change midi velocity curves
- convert sustain pedal (cc 64) to appropriate note off events (I
know this one is very specific)
Is there any tool (or set of tools) that can do this?
Try Qmidiroute; you can get it at http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/ 
14 May
14 May
5:43 a.m.
Hallo,
Dominic Sacré hat gesagt: // Dominic Sacré wrote:
On Saturday, 13. May 2006 10:02, Bert Visser wrote:
You could use Pd to build yourself a custom midi transformer. Pd can
do everything, that qmidiroute does, as well, but you need to learn
the Pd language a bit. It shouldn't be too hard, though. One afternoon
with the manual and the example patches should be enough to let you
build a midi router in Pd yourself (It only needs a handful of Pd
objects anyway).
Ciao
--
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Try Qmidiroute; you can get it at
http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/
Thanks, Qmidiroute seems to let me do at least some of the things I'm
looking for. But what's missing for me is, most importantly, the ability
to switch between different setups, controlled via midi.
So if there's something that I can use in addition to (or instead of)
Qmidiroute to do this, please let me know! 
10:21 a.m.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Dominic Sacré hat gesagt: // Dominic Sacré wrote:
I've asked for this type of utility a few times before. Qmidiroute and
midirgui do some of what I've asked for but no stand-alone app does what
the Yamaha MEP4 did, i.e., rechannelize, convert from one controller
type to another, value scaling, event filtering, etc. It seems like
these functions should be rather easy to add to an app like midirgui. I
think most of the math is simple integer stuff.
Yes, Pd can do all this, but you have to have Pd on your machine. I love
Pd, but unless it can generate a stand-alone application (that doesn't
require Pd) then it isn't really meeting the need.
It's a shame Matthias stopped writing his MIDI utilities. I've tried to
reach "holborn" (aka the author of midirgui) but had no success.
A software clone of the MEP4 clone would be a very sweet MIDI utility.
Perhaps a bounty would convince a developer to spend an afternoon
writing such a tool ?
Best,
dp
On Saturday, 13. May 2006 10:02, Bert Visser
wrote:
You could use Pd to build yourself a custom midi transformer. Pd can
do everything, that qmidiroute does, as well, but you need to learn
the Pd language a bit. It shouldn't be too hard, though. One afternoon
with the manual and the example patches should be enough to let you
build a midi router in Pd yourself (It only needs a handful of Pd
objects anyway).
Try Qmidiroute; you can get it at
http://alsamodular.sourceforge.net/
Thanks, Qmidiroute seems to let me do at least some of the things I'm
looking for. But what's missing for me is, most importantly, the ability
to switch between different setups, controlled via midi.
So if there's something that I can use in addition to (or instead of)
Qmidiroute to do this, please let me know!
11:18 a.m.
Hallo,
Dave Phillips hat gesagt: // Dave Phillips wrote:
Yes, Pd can do all this, but you have to have Pd on
your machine. I love
Pd, but unless it can generate a stand-alone application (that doesn't
require Pd) then it isn't really meeting the need.
I kindly disagree here: Why should a standalone app be better than
having an application written in a glue language like Pd is here?
Using Pd the way I proposed is similar to using a Python or Perl
script. Yes, you need to have Perl or Python installed, but these are
pretty standard on every distribution. IMO Pd is pretty standard as
well on a Linux musician's computer. And for this midi route stuff no
Pd externals are needed. Not everyone can programm in Python or Perl,
and especially GUI programming can be tricky with both, however GUI
programming in Pd really is trivial.
The real advantage of using Pd or whatever "scripting language" is
that one is not bound to the ideas the programmer had, who wrote the
midi translator: It's easy to add or remove features.
IMO there is no need for a developer to spend an afternoon writing
something like Qmidiroute, when in Pd custom translators can be built
in a couple of seconds. And one doesn't even have to be a Pd meister
for doing it. Proof:
[notein]
| |
[pgmout]
This "patch" translates every note played to a program-change.
Ciao
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11:57 a.m.
I've asked for this type of utility a few times
before. Qmidiroute
and midirgui do some of what I've asked for but no stand-alone app
does what the Yamaha MEP4 did, i.e., rechannelize, convert from one
controller type to another, value scaling, event filtering, etc. It
seems like these functions should be rather easy to add to an app
like midirgui. I think most of the math is simple integer stuff.
using Qt4 and RtMidi, it should be easy to create such an app. You
"only" need someone who has the time to do it :) .
Best regards
ce
1:22 p.m.
Yes, Pd can do all this, but you have to have Pd on
your machine. I love
Pd, but unless it can generate a stand-alone application (that doesn't
require Pd) then it isn't really meeting the need.
?!?!?
qmidiroute requires qt and the c library. I haven't seen a stand-alone app
since the 8-bit era.
16 May
16 May
3:54 a.m.
On Sunday 14 May 2006 16:22, sunnan(a)handgranat.org was like:
We also talk about doing things 'By Hand' which is also an inaccurate
description. I don't think that being overly pedantic really solves this one.
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Yes, Pd can do
all this, but you have to have Pd on your machine. I love
Pd, but unless it can generate a stand-alone application (that doesn't
require Pd) then it isn't really meeting the need.
?!?!?
qmidiroute requires qt and the c library. I haven't seen a stand-alone app
since the 8-bit era. 
14 May
14 May
2:07 p.m.
I've asked for this type of utility a few times
before. Qmidiroute and
midirgui do some of what I've asked for but no stand-alone app does what
the Yamaha MEP4 did, i.e., rechannelize, convert from one controller
type to another, value scaling, event filtering, etc. It seems like
these functions should be rather easy to add to an app like midirgui. I
think most of the math is simple integer stuff.
Yes, Pd can do all this, but you have to have Pd on your machine. I love
Pd, but unless it can generate a stand-alone application (that doesn't
require Pd) then it isn't really meeting the need.
It's a shame Matthias stopped writing his MIDI utilities. I've tried to
reach "holborn" (aka the author of midirgui) but had no success.
A software clone of the MEP4 clone would be a very sweet MIDI utility.
Perhaps a bounty would convince a developer to spend an afternoon
writing such a tool ?
Hey Dave,
Although RTMix has not been updated for a while, you can do this in 3 lines
of script and do so not only for MIDI->MIDI, but also for any combinations
of MIDI, OSC, generic network protocol and computer keyboard events. You can
also involve any type of MIDI/OSC/network-capable controller, keyboard keys,
and/or 6 different types of random number generation to alter parameters of
a particular data conversion.
Actually, come to think of it, you might be able to do some of what you are
trying to do in 1 line...*
*Obligatory handicap: the only real nuisance with RTMix is that it's still
using the old /dev/midi junk, but you can alleviate that easily with the
virmidi module.
If interested, see tutorials for more info, and if that fails, please do not
hesitate to bug me ;-)
Ico
15 May
15 May
11:58 a.m.
On Sunday, 14. May 2006 09:42, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Somehow I knew when I asked this question that sooner or later someone
would suggest Pd ;)
I've never really looked into it, maybe now is the time to do so.
But I have to agree that a simple GUI tool to do these things would be a
very useful addition to the Linux audio desktop.
Cheers,
Dominic
Thanks,
Qmidiroute seems to let me do at least some of the things I'm
looking for. But what's missing for me is, most importantly, the
ability to switch between different setups, controlled via midi.
So if there's something that I can use in addition to (or instead of)
Qmidiroute to do this, please let me know!
You could use Pd to build yourself a custom midi transformer. Pd can
do everything, that qmidiroute does, as well, but you need to learn
the Pd language a bit. It shouldn't be too hard, though. One afternoon
with the manual and the example patches should be enough to let you
build a midi router in Pd yourself (It only needs a handful of Pd
objects anyway).
1:34 p.m.
Hallo,
Dominic Sacré hat gesagt: // Dominic Sacré wrote:
Somehow I knew when I asked this question that sooner
or later someone
would suggest Pd ;)
And course it was me: I always suggest Pd for everything, so don't
take me too seriously. ;)
I've never really looked into it, maybe now is the
time to do so.
I guess most of us started to learn how to do a bit of programming
when we wanted to do something specific, but nobody had already
written the tool to do it or we were dissatisfied with the available
tools. As you seem to be in such a situation, now seems to be a good
time to start to learn Pd or some other language.
Ciao
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