I use Rosegarden 4.0.9. The problem is that 4/4 mode does accept only two of those notes seen in the image "http://www.funet.fi/~kouhia/arabicscales.png", and then the editor refuses to add more. It may be perfectly ok behaviour for old-time musicians, but it is annoying. I would have a need for WYSIWYG editor which allows me to type in what I see without the clever logic denying all. Whoever made that image perhaps made some error? OK. I'm only interested in to know what keys those notes represents in the keyboard -- what keys I should press? What notes they are in terms of C E F A G etc. What MIDI codes they have? What frequencies they have? (No need to answer all of these questions, but would be helpful). Are there any documentation on these matters in the web? I recently tried to find documentation on majors and more complex key combinations but I could not find any. Anyone? I have another problem: I found many Arabic MIDI files, but I hear nothing when Rosegarden plays them (SB Live/Alsa). If I don't get hardware synth working, then how do I connect a SoundFont software synth (what do you recommend?) with Rosegarden? Why Timidity sounds like a toy? It is ok for testing if MIDI files works but I want some quality. Is it really Timidity issue or could it be some mastering issue? Best regards, Juhana

Juhana Sadeharju wrote: I still don't quite understand. It's true that the editor won't allow you to put eight quarter-notes in a single bar without a time signature, as illustrated in that image. But that doesn't seem to be quite what you're describing, as you'd obviously get four notes, not two, before having to go to the next bar. The keys and accidentals are the interesting thing here, and presumably the point of the image. All of the accidentals shown simply duplicate those in the keys, so presumably this is an illustrative example only -- i.e. with the key signatures shown, the pitches shown would normally have no accidentals, but they've shown the accidentals explicitly just for the purposes of the exposition. You can't yet do this in Rosegarden (i.e. tell it to show explicitly all the accidentals that notes inherit from a key signature). Also, of course, Rosegarden supports neither the quarter-tone notation nor quarter-tone pitches themselves (nor any other alternative tuning). There are a lot of requirements associated with entering and playing (correctly) non-traditional-Western notations, and while these are all desirable post-1.0 features, they mostly will not be in 1.0. A quarter-tone falls between two MIDI pitches -- MIDI pitch is an integral number of semitones. To play them with a normal MIDI instrument requires a pitch-bend controller event. Chris

Joerg Anders wrote: Yes, NoteEdit might be more the sort of thing you need at this point. Even though the image linked above doesn't include half of the notation you want, it's still closer than you can do in Rosegarden right now, because Rosegarden won't currently allow you to mark a note explicitly as flat when it's already marked as flat in the key signature (unless of course the same pitch has a different accidental somewhere earlier in the bar). This just reflects the rather different focus of the two applications -- Rosegarden is principally a compositional tool (it likes to have a fairly unambiguous idea of what pitches you intend), and NoteEdit more a pure notation tool (it will permit you to enter things like the above without having to be clear about how they're actually interpreted). Rosegarden will one day get the ability to do all of these things, but NoteEdit will inevitably get them sooner, partly because it doesn't have to care as much about all the performance baggage. Chris