5 Apr
2006
5 Apr
'06
11:43 a.m.
Hi
I have the following track:
http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording
quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus
would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what
program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved
file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering
along the way.
A few notes:
A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good
:-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and
more presence.
Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be
linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-)
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
5 Apr
5 Apr
2:01 p.m.
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 15:42, Atte André Jensen wrote:
Hi
I have the following track:
http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording
quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus
would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what
program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved
file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering
along the way.
A few notes:
A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good
:-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and
more presence.
Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be
linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-)
I can't give any help on the mastering, but. Atte. That is one really nice
track. Which instrument do you play?
Nigel.
9:25 p.m.
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 15:42, Atte André Jensen
wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have the following track:
>
> http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
>
> It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording
> quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus
> would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what
> program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved
> file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering
> along the way.
>
> A few notes:
>
> A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good
>
> :-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and
>
> more presence.
>
> Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be
> linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-)
Actually I found this a nice recording, if a bit in the old school
genre. How was it mic'ed? A couple of mics at an off stage location?
The playing is good and well suited for the type of music. I enjoyed
it a lot.
As for the mastering part, I'd say that while I agree that it could
use more high-end I think that anything you do to get the high-end up
very far will likely result in disappointing results in terms of
overall distortion. The best I'd probably try for here is to follow
the #1 rule about frequency issues - "Remove...do not add". I'd
probably start by decreasing the bass and possibly just a bit of the
mid-range a bit and then add just a small bit of of overall
compression to bring up the volume of the track a little. Keep the
compression VERY light or you'll lose the live feel to the track I
think. I'm going to guess that since the high frequency content is
down you might try a fairly slow attack time and then play with the
release times. I wouldn't want to compress more than a few dB though.
Keep it light.
If you wanted to get more involved with the track you could try Jamin
and set both the EQ and compression levels on the bass and mid-range
bands a bit higher and leave the upper range completely alone. If you
go this way you might bring up the output of the upper range since the
track output is low and you're nowhere near clipping anything from
what I Can tell. Just keep in mind that nothing is really going to add
what you hear lacking because it isn't there in the first place.
Better to just make the best of what you've got, which I think is very
enjoyable music, and then learn how to make your next recording better
in the areas this one lacks.
I really did enjoy the track. Thanks for sharing.
Cheers,
Mark
2:16 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: magic mastering tips needed
Heh...
Heeeeeeeh.....
That's some nice Jazz :)
For mastering, you could use Rezound or Audacity. Both support the
so-called LADSPA plugins, which are the standard tools for linux audio
processing right now.
I would:
* Normalize (for the volume)
* Equalize (for the brightness, e.g. with the 'Multiband EQ')
* and perhaps add a tiny bit of compression to make the sound fuller.
(e.g. with the 'SCO1')
Carlo
Atte André Jensen schrieb:
Hi
I have the following track:
http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording
quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus
would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what
program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved
file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering
along the way.
A few notes:
A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good
:-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and
more presence.
Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be
linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-)
2:23 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: magic mastering tips needed
Carlo Capocasa wrote:
For mastering, you could use Rezound or Audacity. Both
support the
so-called LADSPA plugins, which are the standard tools for linux audio
processing right now.
I think Jamin is a better tool... it's designed for audio mastering!
http://jamin.sf.net
Here's a decent FAQ on Mastering (not Linux specific):
http://www.nthelp.com/mastering/
-- Brett
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7:43 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: magic mastering tips needed
Brett McCoy wrote:
I think Jamin is a better tool... it's designed
for audio mastering!
Hmm, I've heard a lot about that, never tried it. Hope I can figure it
out...
Here's a decent FAQ on Mastering (not Linux
specific):
http://www.nthelp.com/mastering/
...and these tips (scanned very quickly) looks like they would make me
wiser, which (although not hard) would be a good thing .-)
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
7:41 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: magic mastering tips needed
Carlo Capocasa wrote:
Heh...
Heeeeeeeh.....
That's some nice Jazz :)
Thanks :-)
For mastering, you could use Rezound or Audacity. Both
support the
so-called LADSPA plugins, which are the standard tools for linux audio
processing right now.
Ok, I'm quite familiar with both. Actually the cutting that I did was
done in audacity, so...
I would:
* Normalize (for the volume)
* Equalize (for the brightness, e.g. with the 'Multiband EQ')
* and perhaps add a tiny bit of compression to make the sound fuller.
(e.g. with the 'SCO1')
Great, I'll give that a try, hopefully over the weekend. I hope I can
bore you all with the results, maybe I need some more advice as I start
working on it.
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
4:33 p.m.
Atte,
First off, let me say these things:
A) I listen to rock most often, seldom to to jazz, so I really don't
have the right ears for this. :-)
B) I'm not an experienced sound engineer by any stretch of the
imagination. I've been doing a bit of live sound work for some music
groups at my church, but that's really the extent of my experience.
C) I think the music does sound very good as it stands. Excellent
performance, thanks for sharing it.
That said, my feeling on the track is I hear too much of the room, and
not enough direct sound from the instruments. My first inclination is
that could be a rock listening vs. jazz listening thing. But your
description seems to say to me you want something similar.
Your question was about mastering, but I'm thinking getting your mics
a bit closer to the instruments to start with might add a bit more
definition and presence, like you're looking for.
It might be worth trying, anyway, if you get another chance to record.
Doesn't help much on a session that's already "in the can."
--> Steve Wahl
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:42:24PM +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote:
Hi
I have the following track:
http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording
quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus
would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what
program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved
file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering
along the way.
A few notes:
A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good
:-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and
more presence.
Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be
linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-)
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
--
Steve Wahl steve(a)pro-ns.net
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
-- Vance Petree, Virginia Power
8 Apr
8 Apr
12:04 p.m.
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:42:24PM +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote:
Hi , just to say that I like the tune and the way it is played
,quiet and inspired.Very nice melody.I've enjoyed it a lot.Thank you
very much for sharing.
Are you the sax player ? Dou you like Stan Getz? ;-)
Long live for Jazz Music.
Saludos.
Cheers.
--Carlos.
Hi
I have the following track:
http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording
quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus
would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what
program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved
file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering
along the way.
A few notes:
A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good
:-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and
more presence.
Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be
linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-)
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
3:55 p.m.
Carlos Pino wrote:
Hi , just to say that I like the tune and the way
it is played
,quiet and inspired.Very nice melody.I've enjoyed it a lot.Thank you
very much for sharing.
Thanks for the kind words, and you're welcome :-)
Are you the sax player ? Dou you like Stan Getz?
;-)
I'm the piano player, but both me and the sax likes Getz. I think there
are other saxophones that Niels (my alto) sounds more like. Stitt would
be one...
--
peace, love & harmony
Atte
http://www.atte.dk
9 Apr
9 Apr
6:42 p.m.
Atte André Jensen wrote:
Carlos Pino wrote:
Very good.I like very much the voicings you play.
Hi , just to say that I like the tune and the
way it is played
,quiet and inspired.Very nice melody.I've enjoyed it a lot.Thank you
very much for sharing.
Thanks for the kind words, and you're welcome :-)
Are you the sax player ? Dou you like Stan
Getz? ;-)
I'm the piano player, but both me and the sax likes Getz. I think there are
other saxophones
that Niels (my alto) sounds more like. Stitt would be one...
Sure,I was thinking about the way of the melodies that Niels
plays,more than the sound of the instrument.
I must listent Sonny Stitt. ;-)
I hope to listen some more tunes from you.
Thanks again.
Saludos.
Cheers.
--Carlos.
5 Apr
5 Apr
5:20 p.m.
Atte André Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com> writes:
some of you mastering gurus
This has really nothing to do with mastering[1], though;).
You want help on your mix.
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_mastering
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7:02 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Hiding tracks in Ardour
Hi!
I remember that a similar question has been asked before on this list, but I
can't retrieve it in the archives: when I hide a track in Ardour, well, it
disappears. But where else can I make it reappear? The manual talks about a
track listing on the left of the editor windows... but how come that I can't
find it? This is driving me crazy, since I feel so stupid!:)
Thanks in advance!:)
Carotinho
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7:07 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Hiding tracks in Ardour
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 23:02 +0200, Carotinho wrote:
Hi!
I remember that a similar question has been asked before on this list, but I
can't retrieve it in the archives: when I hide a track in Ardour, well, it
disappears. But where else can I make it reappear? The manual talks about a
track listing on the left of the editor windows... but how come that I can't
find it? This is driving me crazy, since I feel so stupid!:)
The track list is in the editor, left of the canvas and right of the
editor mixer strip. If you can't see it, it's probably because you've
dragged the side of the list so that it disappears.
You see the track list (but no editor mixer strip though), in this
screenshot:
http://www.ardour.org/files/main-screenshot-big.png
Just find the drag handle and make the area appear again.
--
Sampo Savolainen <v2(a)iki.fi>
6 Apr
6 Apr
6:15 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Hiding tracks in Ardour
Alle 23:07, mercoledì 5 aprile 2006, Sampo Savolainen ha scritto:
The track list is in the editor, left of the canvas
and right of the
editor mixer strip. If you can't see it, it's probably because you've
dragged the side of the list so that it disappears.
You see the track list (but no editor mixer strip though), in this
screenshot:
http://www.ardour.org/files/main-screenshot-big.png
Just find the drag handle and make the area appear again.
Oh, solved the mistery:)
Kiitos:)
Carotinho
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5 Apr
5 Apr
6:47 p.m.
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:42:24 +0200
Atte André Jensen <atte.jensen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
I have the following track:
http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
Great song. If only the horn was in tune [it's slightly off, best heard
in the low registers in the head].
A valid question would be "but how do you want it
to sound?". Well, good
:-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and
more presence.
Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be
linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-)
I wouldn't change anything about the recording (except for the off'ish
horn, but it's bearable). Sounds just fine. But's that's just me :)
Flo
--
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9:39 p.m.
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 15:42 +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote:
Hi
I have the following track:
http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording
quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus
would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what
program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved
file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering
along the way.
A few notes:
A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good
:-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and
more presence.
Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be
linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-)
Nice track. I played around with it a bit. If you want to try
JAMin take the attached file and place it in your .jamin directory
(uncompress it first). You can use alsaplayer with the -o jack option
and run that in to JAMin or use Ardour for both in and out. The
at_slum.jam file should show up in JAMin if you go to File->Open. I
only spent a few minutes on the settings. You really don't want to push
this track too much as you'll lose some of the dynamics.
--
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Pennsylvania for his "Pennsylvania Fireplace", c. 1744
9:44 p.m.
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:42:24PM +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote:
http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording
quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus
would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what
program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved
file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering
along the way.
The sound isn't bad at all - it's just _that_ type of sound and you
like it or not. As it is you get the intimate feel of a very small
jazz club. It could be made a bit more 'contemporary' by adding some
equalisation and some reverb. But unless you have this as a
multitrack session and you can remix it and apply the EQ and reverb
selectively, I'd leave it alone, maybe just adding some very light
HF shelving to give it just a touch more brightness.
The major problem is that some parts are horribly out of tune, at
least to my ears...
--
FA
Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo!
9:48 p.m.
that recording is fine - leave it alone
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 01:51 +0200, fons adriaensen wrote:
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 03:42:24PM +0200, Atte André
Jensen wrote:
http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz quartet. The recording
quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus
would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what
program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved
file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering
along the way.
The sound isn't bad at all - it's just _that_ type of sound and you
like it or not. As it is you get the intimate feel of a very small
jazz club. It could be made a bit more 'contemporary' by adding some
equalisation and some reverb. But unless you have this as a
multitrack session and you can remix it and apply the EQ and reverb
selectively, I'd leave it alone, maybe just adding some very light
HF shelving to give it just a touch more brightness.
The major problem is that some parts are horribly out of tune, at
least to my ears...
7 Apr
7 Apr
5:31 a.m.
On Wed, 05 Apr, 2006 at 03:42PM +0200, Atte André Jensen spake thus:
Hi
I have the following track:
http://www.atte.dk/at_slum_avenue.ogg
Nice!
It's a recording of one of my tunes with my jazz
quartet. The recording
quality leaves a bit to be desired. I hope some of you mastering gurus
would lend an ear, explain what you think should be done and in what
program, maybe someone could even find the time to generate an improved
file. At least I hope to learn a bit about digital audio and mastering
along the way.
A few notes:
A valid question would be "but how do you want it to sound?". Well, good
:-) At least I think it needs more high frequencies, more definition and
more presence.
Needless to say, I'm on a linux-only system, so any tools should be
linux stuff, but you probl. guessed that :-)
--
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Aaron Trumm -
Atte André Jensen -
Brett McCoy -
Carlo Capocasa -
Carlos Pino -
Carotinho -
Esben Stien -
Florian Schmidt -
fons adriaensen -
james＠dis-dot-dat.net -
Jan Depner -
Mark Knecht -
Nigel Henry -
Sampo Savolainen -
Steve Wahl