18 Feb
2004
18 Feb
'04
6:10 p.m.
Hi:
Hope this isn't off topic for this list. Would someone be
willing to suggest a Window Manager that would work well with a Linux
audio box using the Planet CCRMA images? I have used the Gnome and KDE
environments and just have come to feel that they are too bloated for
what I'm trying to do.
Does using a Window Manager instead of a full-blown desktop such
as Gnome mean that I can have more audio processing power since I am
giving up graphics overhead?
I am trying out fvwm and it is pretty sparse, but was wondering
what others might suggest as best for audio?
Many thanks,
gk
18 Feb
18 Feb
6:26 p.m.
Kent, Gary wrote:
Hi:
Hope this isn't off topic for this list. Would someone be
willing to suggest a Window Manager that would work well with a Linux
audio box using the Planet CCRMA images? I have used the Gnome and KDE
environments and just have come to feel that they are too bloated for
what I'm trying to do.
Does using a Window Manager instead of a full-blown desktop such
as Gnome mean that I can have more audio processing power since I am
giving up graphics overhead?
I am trying out fvwm and it is pretty sparse, but was wondering
what others might suggest as best for audio?
Many thanks,
gk
Hi,
I won't say best, but I very much like fluxbox. Not bloated at all,
but does require a bit of tweaking in the menu and theme areas to make
it feel really good.
Have fun!
- Mark
6:30 p.m.
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 22:05, Kent, Gary wrote:
Hi:
Hope this isn't off topic for this list. Would someone be
willing to suggest a Window Manager that would work well with a Linux
audio box using the Planet CCRMA images? I have used the Gnome and KDE
environments and just have come to feel that they are too bloated for
what I'm trying to do.
FWIW I too am using fvwm, but I do have a fairly sparse taste.
I can make a gift of my config if you'd like it.
R
6:48 p.m.
I use KDE for non-realtime apps or minor things with Ardour, JAMin,
Audacity. I use fluxbox when I'm doing multitrack recording. I just
put exec fluxbox into .Xclients-default in root's home directory, do an
init 3, and then startx. When I get done with a session I log off and
then do an init 5 to get back to the KDE login. This gives me the best
of both worlds depending on what I'm running. Note: I run audio as
root.
Jan
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 16:05, Kent, Gary wrote:
Hi:
Hope this isn't off topic for this list. Would someone be
willing to suggest a Window Manager that would work well with a Linux
audio box using the Planet CCRMA images? I have used the Gnome and KDE
environments and just have come to feel that they are too bloated for
what I'm trying to do.
Does using a Window Manager instead of a full-blown desktop such
as Gnome mean that I can have more audio processing power since I am
giving up graphics overhead?
I am trying out fvwm and it is pretty sparse, but was wondering
what others might suggest as best for audio?
Many thanks,
gk
6:55 p.m.
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:05:20 -0500
"Kent, Gary" <gkent(a)mhc.edu> wrote:
Hi:
Hope this isn't off topic for this list. Would someone be
willing to suggest a Window Manager that would work well with a Linux
audio box using the Planet CCRMA images? I have used the Gnome and
KDE environments and just have come to feel that they are too bloated
for what I'm trying to do.
Does using a Window Manager instead of a full-blown desktop such
as Gnome mean that I can have more audio processing power since I am
giving up graphics overhead?
I am trying out fvwm and it is pretty sparse, but was wondering
what others might suggest as best for audio?
Many thanks,
try xfce4. It's nice, not too resourec hungry, and doesn't seem to
interfere by having sound daemons, etc.. Actually it brings its own
panel, taskbar, etc, with it..
The file manager isn't as great, but i am a shell monkey anyway :)
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7:29 p.m.
Hallo,
Florian Schmidt hat gesagt: // Florian Schmidt wrote:
try xfce4. It's nice, not too resourec hungry, and
doesn't seem to
interfere by having sound daemons, etc.. Actually it brings its own
panel, taskbar, etc, with it..
The file manager isn't as great, but i am a shell monkey anyway :)
Me too, but recently I discovered the Xfe filemanager. Nice, fast, not
bloated, worth a try even for guys who use other filemanagers like:
mv, cp, mkdir, ls (optional: geeks use TAB), rm (optional, too: geeks
use /dev/null)
ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
8:02 p.m.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Me too, but recently I discovered the Xfe filemanager. Nice, fast, not
bloated, worth a try even for guys who use other filemanagers like:
mv, cp, mkdir, ls (optional: geeks use TAB), rm (optional, too: geeks
use /dev/null)
ciao
I like XFE a lot also. I guess it's not being developed anymore? Pity as
it fills a nice void I think.
Maybe I need to find out about this 'shell monkey' file manager? Good
Windows like GUI on that one? ;-)
- Mark
8:16 p.m.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 12:24:35AM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Florian Schmidt hat gesagt: // Florian Schmidt wrote:
While we're on the subject... do any of the graphical file managers
do tab completion or something like it? I like the look of file
managers but i don't like point-click-point-click-scroll-click-point-etc.
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http://www.slinkp.com
Look! Up in the sky! It's WARRIOR COSMONAUT!
(random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com)
try xfce4. It's nice, not too resourec
hungry, and doesn't seem to
interfere by having sound daemons, etc.. Actually it brings its own
panel, taskbar, etc, with it..
The file manager isn't as great, but i am a shell monkey anyway :)
Me too, but recently I discovered the Xfe filemanager. Nice, fast, not
bloated, worth a try even for guys who use other filemanagers like:
mv, cp, mkdir, ls (optional: geeks use TAB), rm (optional, too: geeks
use /dev/null) 
8:44 p.m.
Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
While we're on the subject... do any of the
graphical file managers
do tab completion or something like it? I like the look of file
managers but i don't like point-click-point-click-scroll-click-point-etc.
Dired?
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Tears can never dry. A judgement made can never bend.
...
And I've been putting out fire with gasoline...
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9:03 p.m.
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 12:24:35AM +0100, Frank
Barknecht wrote:
mc (in xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are used)
erik
Hallo,
Florian Schmidt hat gesagt: // Florian Schmidt wrote:
While we're on the subject... do any of the graphical file managers
do tab completion or something like it? I like the look of file
managers but i don't like point-click-point-click-scroll-click-point-etc. try xfce4. It's nice, not too resourec hungry,
and doesn't seem to
interfere by having sound daemons, etc.. Actually it brings its own
panel, taskbar, etc, with it..
The file manager isn't as great, but i am a shell monkey anyway :)
Me too, but recently I discovered the Xfe filemanager. Nice, fast, not
bloated, worth a try even for guys who use other filemanagers like:
mv, cp, mkdir, ls (optional: geeks use TAB), rm (optional, too: geeks
use /dev/null) 
9:21 p.m.
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 16:58, Erik Steffl wrote:
mc (in xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes
panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are used)
erik
<hehe!!> Good old mc. I forgot about that. No stinking GUI. Just good
old names.
How do I do a drag & drop in mc?
10:09 p.m.
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 16:58, Erik Steffl wrote:
don't think it works (in text version), you can use mouse to control
it though - like clicking on file, or double clicking, or using menu etc.
erik
mc (in xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes
panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are used)
erik
<hehe!!> Good old mc. I forgot about that. No stinking GUI. Just good
old names.
How do I do a drag & drop in mc? 
11:02 p.m.
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 16:58, Erik Steffl wrote:
I also once had a day devoted to digging out file managers with the
intention to find _the_ one. I asked a friend about his favourite file
browser
and he said it was " ls -l" . Eventually I agreed. Once you're used to
the terminal it feels unnatural to click-point-click, at least for
me.... and I found myslef
losing sense of what's where in the directories. But probably the
opposite is also true.
Mark, have you seen xnc: http://xnc.dubna.su/ ?
It's a guified mc with drag&drop.
also, xplore, http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag/xplore/
isn't bad at all although it looks a bit ugly until you play around with
it for a while
but definitely this fsv is a monster!!! I''ll probably never use it but
it's
awesome!!! I just showed it to a girl in the lab, a die-hard windows user,
and she striaght away wanted a version for her OS :)):))
-- rossen
mc (in xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes
panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are used)
erik
<hehe!!> Good old mc. I forgot about that. No stinking GUI. Just good
old names.
How do I do a drag & drop in mc?
11:37 p.m.
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 18:52, rossen apostolov wrote:
Mark, have you seen xnc: http://xnc.dubna.su/ ?
It's a guified mc with drag&drop.
It actually looks pretty nice. I'll build it in the next few days I
think...
also, xplore,
http://www.musikwissenschaft.uni-mainz.de/~ag/xplore/
isn't bad at all although it looks a bit ugly until you play around with
it for a while
but definitely this fsv is a monster!!! I''ll probably never use it but
it's
awesome!!! I just showed it to a girl in the lab, a die-hard windows user,
and she striaght away wanted a version for her OS :)):))
Actually, when you quickly need some disk space it's great for telling
you where to spend your time looking for things to delete or move. I
keep it handy. Just another tool in the toolbox.
- Mark
19 Feb
19 Feb
12:50 p.m.
On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 07:33:03PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
Actually, when you quickly need some disk space
it's great for telling
you where to spend your time looking for things to delete or move. I
keep it handy. Just another tool in the toolbox.
- Mark
I usually use du for that.
du -shc *
or
du -skc * | sort -n
or something like that. But, I'm somewhat anti GUI in general so take
that with a grain of salt.
-Eric Rz.
6:18 a.m.
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:52:25 +0900
rossen apostolov <rossen(a)protein.osaka-u.ac.jp> wrote:
but definitely this fsv is a monster!!! I''ll
probably never use it
but it's
awesome!!! I just showed it to a girl in the lab, a die-hard windows
user, and she striaght away wanted a version for her OS :)):))
i think there's something for windows called seqouia view or something
[don't remeber the exact speling]..
Flo
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1:44 a.m.
Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)comcast.net> wrote:
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 16:58, Erik Steffl wrote:
> mc (in xterm) kicks ass (by default tab
changes panels/widgets, esc
> tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are used)
<hehe!!> Good old mc. I forgot about that. No
stinking GUI. Just good
old names.
How do I do a drag & drop in mc?
It's {drag and drop} unnecessary... just slow and awkward and a bit less than
precise.}. Mc comes in Cygwin as well.
For audio... this shows major potential:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~pi9s-nnb/monk/index.html
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Tears can never dry. A judgement made can never bend.
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2:20 a.m.
For audio... this shows major potential:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~pi9s-nnb/monk/index.html
:} While we're at it:
http://cvsweb.ki.nu/mef/elisp/fvwm.el?rev=1.1&content-type=text/x-cvswe…
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Tears can never dry. A judgement made can never bend.
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And I've been putting out fire with gasoline...
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18 Feb
18 Feb
9:30 p.m.
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 16:58, Erik Steffl wrote:
mc (in xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes
panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are used)
erik
Come on though. If you want a real tool, try fsv. Very cool and useful
in a different sort of way.
Try it...you'll like it...
- Mark
10:16 p.m.
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 16:58, Erik Steffl wrote:
this one? or something else?
fsviewer - A NeXT FileViewer lookalike
erik
mc (in xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes
panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are used)
erik
Come on though. If you want a real tool, try fsv. Very cool and useful
in a different sort of way.
11:05 p.m.
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 18:11, Erik Steffl wrote:
Mark Knecht wrote:
This one:
http://fsv.sourceforge.net/
It's not a file manager, but it will give you a great graphic
representation of how your files are using up your disk.
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 16:58, Erik Steffl wrote:
this one? or something else?
fsviewer - A NeXT FileViewer lookalike
erik mc (in xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes
panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are used)
erik
Come on though. If you want a real tool, try fsv. Very cool and useful
in a different sort of way.
11:23 p.m.
Mark Knecht wrote:
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 18:11, Erik Steffl wrote:
looks good :-) not throwing mc out yet though
erik
Mark Knecht wrote:
This one:
http://fsv.sourceforge.net/
It's not a file manager, but it will give you a great graphic
representation of how your files are using up your disk. On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 16:58, Erik Steffl wrote:
this one? or something else?
fsviewer - A NeXT FileViewer lookalike
erik mc (in xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes
panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are used)
erik
Come on though. If you want a real tool, try fsv. Very cool and useful
in a different sort of way. 
19 Feb
19 Feb
7:32 p.m.
mc (in xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes
panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are
used)
mc (MidnightCommander) will play an audio file by just pressing ENTER on
the file. You can have *any* type of file can do *anything* you want it
to do just by pressing ENTER on the file in mc. I even have played
multiple audio tracks by pressing ENTER on a ".ecs" file (ecasound text
file that will play all the tracks, effects, volumes and panning listed
in the file).
To use this feature... First... at the command line, type... "mc -f" (no
quotes of course) to find where mc keeps it's files (to edit the file
extension manager *globally* that is...). For a local user, mc's files
are in ~/.mc.
My global file is called "mc.ext". Here is a simple example that will
load a file into xmms and play it (by pressing ENTER on a .WAV file in
mc) (by the way... make sure you quit mc and restart it every time you
edit "mc.ext")...
shell/.wav
Open=xmms %f
Just in case the extension is uppercase...
shell/.WAV
Open=xmms %f
Here's the example of playing multiple tracks with effects, panning,
volumes set... with ecasound reading the ".ecs" file that you pressed
ENTER on...
shell/.ecs
Open=ecasound -c -s %f
The beauty of the last command is that ecasound is a "command line"
program. You don't have to leave your shell. And the (perticular)
command that I demonstrate here has ecasound in "interactive mode" (-c).
So you can press ENTER on the .ecs file, then type "t" in the (ecasound)
command line to start playing the tracks... type "fw 3" to fastforward 3
seconds... type "setpos 54" to start playing at 54 seconds into your
tracks... and things like that. With mc and ecasound, I've ran a
command line only multitrack set-up for over 2 years not. And I havn't
even mentioned mc's built in text editor (or it's text viewer for that
matter).
Rocco
20 Feb
20 Feb
1:15 p.m.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 06:22:46PM +0000, LinuxMedia wrote:
That's pretty cool. I should give mc another look, haven't tried it
in years.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
Look! Up in the sky! It's THE NIGERIAN NAYSEER!
(random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com)
mc (in xterm)
kicks ass (by default tab changes panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are
used)
mc (MidnightCommander) will play an audio file by just pressing ENTER on
the file. You can have *any* type of file can do *anything* you want it
to do just by pressing ENTER on the file in mc. I even have played
multiple audio tracks by pressing ENTER on a ".ecs" file (ecasound text
file that will play all the tracks, effects, volumes and panning listed
in the file). 
1:47 p.m.
* Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> [Feb 20 04 11:13]:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 06:22:46PM +0000, LinuxMedia
wrote:
That's pretty cool. I should give mc another look, haven't tried it
in years.
There is also the gtk filebrowser ''gentoo'' not to be confused with
the distribution. You can make similar hooks...complete control...but
i've noticed it is a little buggy with some batch processing i've done.
Most likely it was my script's fault. It is gtk1, so it is *fast*.
Typing
# emerge gentoo
on gentoo does seem a little odd, however :o
--ant
mc (in
xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are
used)
mc (MidnightCommander) will play an audio file by just pressing ENTER on
the file. You can have *any* type of file can do *anything* you want it
to do just by pressing ENTER on the file in mc. I even have played
multiple audio tracks by pressing ENTER on a ".ecs" file (ecasound text
file that will play all the tracks, effects, volumes and panning listed
in the file). 
2:05 p.m.
i use openbox when performing because it is so light. when working with
pd switching window focus in most other wm's other than fvwm (IME)
causes dropout. in openbox XFree86 doesn't even appear in top and so that's more
physical mem for audio..
openbox has no dependencies and it incredibly polite to my RAM.
of course where DE's themselves are concerned KDE and GNOME have the
best support for audio mimetypes, as they are generally picked up by the
suite of 'arts' and 'multimedia' applications provided by a full
install. from what little experience i have with either, KDE seems to be
a lighter DE, eating less than Gnome in the phys mem and CPU stakes.
julian aka delire
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:10:49PM -0500, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 06:22:46PM +0000, LinuxMedia
wrote:
That's pretty cool. I should give mc another look, haven't tried it
in years.
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
Look! Up in the sky! It's THE NIGERIAN NAYSEER!
(random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com)
mc (in
xterm) kicks ass (by default tab changes panels/widgets, esc
tab does autocompletion in all dialogs where the files/directories are
used)
mc (MidnightCommander) will play an audio file by just pressing ENTER on
the file. You can have *any* type of file can do *anything* you want it
to do just by pressing ENTER on the file in mc. I even have played
multiple audio tracks by pressing ENTER on a ".ecs" file (ecasound text
file that will play all the tracks, effects, volumes and panning listed
in the file).
21 Feb
21 Feb
4:14 a.m.
> ...You can have *any* type of file can do
*anything* you want it
>to do just by pressing ENTER on the file in mc. I even have played
>multiple audio tracks by pressing ENTER on a ".ecs" file (ecasound text
>file that will play all the tracks, effects, volumes and panning listed
>in the file).
That's pretty cool. I should give mc another look,
haven't tried it
in years.
I forget how I configured it, but I suggest you use the configuration
that allows for mc to "suspend" (reveals the shell console) until the
command is finished (exspecially useful for using ecasound in
"interactive mode" so you can use all the command line controls (fast
forward, rewind, setposition...). After you quit ecasound (or whatever
program) mc will return again (or you will see a message in your
console... "press any key to continue")... And you have mc back.
Also, if you press "F2" in mc, you have a (user configurable) menu of
commands. The menu items can point to binaries or scripts or you can
even write a script into the ~/.mc/menu file. I even have a menu item
that allows for "flite" to "speak" the contents of a text file.
Flite...
http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/download.html
(I have version 1.2 installed)...
Of course, with mc, you can create your own "flite" file extension and
tell mc to "speak" the text file whenever you press enter on it. I had
this configuration for a while, but decided that I better get back to
some more useful projects (got to have fun once in a while) (hehe)...
Rocco
11:06 a.m.
LinuxMedia wrote:
that's what it always does (you can configure whether you see the
message after the program ends)
you can also get the mc panels out of the way by using ctrl-o
erik
> ...You can
have *any* type of file can do *anything* you want it
> to do just by pressing ENTER on the file in mc. I even have played
> multiple audio tracks by pressing ENTER on a ".ecs" file (ecasound
> text file that will play all the tracks, effects, volumes and panning
> listed in the file).
That's pretty cool. I should give mc another
look, haven't tried it in
years.
I forget how I configured it, but I suggest you use the configuration
that allows for mc to "suspend" (reveals the shell console) until the
command is finished (exspecially useful for using ecasound in
"interactive mode" so you can use all the command line controls (fast
forward, rewind, setposition...). After you quit ecasound (or whatever
program) mc will return again (or you will see a message in your
console... "press any key to continue")... And you have mc back.
19 Feb
19 Feb
6:21 a.m.
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:11:32 -0500
Paul Winkler <pw_lists(a)slinkp.com> wrote:
While we're on the subject... do any of the
graphical file managers
do tab completion or something like it? I like the look of file
managers but i don't like
point-click-point-click-scroll-click-point-etc.
Did you try the ROX filer? It supports tab completion, etc.. You can
pretty much navigate it all by keyboard and also just type commands..
http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/
I still use the shell though :)
Flo
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18 Feb
18 Feb
7:25 p.m.
On Wednesday 18 February 2004 10:05 pm, Kent, Gary wrote:
Hope this isn't off topic for this list. Would
someone be
willing to suggest a Window Manager that would work well with a Linux
audio box using the Planet CCRMA images? I have used the Gnome and KDE
environments and just have come to feel that they are too bloated for
what I'm trying to do.
I have used and enjoyed - Fluxbox, iceWM and now openbox3 - for audio work.
Does using a Window Manager instead of a
full-blown desktop such
as Gnome mean that I can have more audio processing power since I am
giving up graphics overhead?
It will make a noticeable difference in some situations.
HTH
tim hall
7:43 p.m.
Kent, Gary wrote:
Hi:
Hope this isn't off topic for this list. Would someone be
willing to suggest a Window Manager that would work well with a Linux
audio box using the Planet CCRMA images? I have used the Gnome and KDE
environments and just have come to feel that they are too bloated for
what I'm trying to do.
Does using a Window Manager instead of a full-blown desktop such
as Gnome mean that I can have more audio processing power since I am
giving up graphics overhead?
I am trying out fvwm and it is pretty sparse, but was wondering
what others might suggest as best for audio?
make sure you don't use enlightenment with root window animations
enabled. other then that you will not see much difference in CPU usage.
as far as the memory goes - you need enough memory (for audio processing
and other programs) that pretty much all WMs have memory footprints too
small to care...
I like fvwm (very configurable, can be made fairly slim).
responsiveness tip for fvwm - don't use outline move/resize, use opaque
(full window moves, resizes), the outline move/resize grabs X server and
can cause other X programs to freeze (for the time you move/resize
windows), this might be an issue for some audio programs (that would
wait for X before doing whatever audio processing they are doing).
erik
8:14 p.m.
Erik Steffl <steffl(a)bigfoot.com> wrote:
Windowmaker {gnustep, musickit, etc is pretty nice as well.}
http://www.windowmaker.org/
http://www.gnustep.org/
http://www.musickit.org/
--
See these tears so blue. An ageless heart that can never mend.
Tears can never dry. A judgement made can never bend.
...
And I've been putting out fire with gasoline...
{Dave}
Hope this
isn't off topic for this list. Would someone be
willing to suggest a Window Manager that would work well with a Linux
audio box using the Planet CCRMA images? I have used the Gnome and KDE
environments and just have come to feel that they are too bloated for
what I'm trying to do.
Does using a Window Manager instead of a full-blown desktop such
as Gnome mean that I can have more audio processing power since I am
giving up graphics overhead?
I am trying out fvwm and it is pretty sparse, but was wondering
what others might suggest as best for audio?
make sure you don't use enlightenment with root window animations
enabled. other then that you will not see much difference in CPU usage.
as far as the memory goes - you need enough memory (for audio processing
and other programs) that pretty much all WMs have memory footprints too
small to care...
I like fvwm (very configurable, can be made fairly slim).
responsiveness tip for fvwm - don't use outline move/resize, use opaque
(full window moves, resizes), the outline move/resize grabs X server and
can cause other X programs to freeze (for the time you move/resize
windows), this might be an issue for some audio programs (that would
wait for X before doing whatever audio processing they are doing). 
19 Feb
19 Feb
12:11 p.m.
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, RTaylor wrote:
Windowmaker {gnustep, musickit, etc is pretty nice as
well.}
http://www.windowmaker.org/
http://www.gnustep.org/
http://www.musickit.org/
++votes. I nowadays use Windowmaker on all my Linux machines. Lots of
pros:
- very simple and usable user-interface; easy to learn
- mature and stable; I haven't needed to upgrade in years
because of bugs and/or missing features in wmaker
- does not get in your way; one process (wmaker) - with relatively
small footprint - that only runs when it is needed (very good
from audio use POV)
- is intuitive enough so that other people, not used to wmaker, are
able to do basic tasks on my machines
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12:33 p.m.
Kai Vehmanen <kai.vehmanen(a)wakkanet.fi> wrote:
- Runs very nicely in Cygwin. :}
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Tears can never dry. A judgement made can never bend.
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And I've been putting out fire with gasoline...
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, RTaylor wrote:
Windowmaker
{gnustep, musickit, etc is pretty nice as well.}
http://www.windowmaker.org/
http://www.gnustep.org/
http://www.musickit.org/
++votes. I nowadays use Windowmaker on all my Linux machines. Lots of
pros:
- very simple and usable user-interface; easy to learn
- mature and stable; I haven't needed to upgrade in years
because of bugs and/or missing features in wmaker
- does not get in your way; one process (wmaker) - with relatively
small footprint - that only runs when it is needed (very good
from audio use POV)
- is intuitive enough so that other people, not used to wmaker, are
able to do basic tasks on my machines 
21 Feb
21 Feb
5:02 a.m.
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 14:05, Kent, Gary wrote:
Hi:
Hope this isn't off topic for this list. Would someone be
willing to suggest a Window Manager that would work well with a Linux
audio box using the Planet CCRMA images? I have used the Gnome and KDE
environments and just have come to feel that they are too bloated for
what I'm trying to do.
Does using a Window Manager instead of a full-blown desktop such
as Gnome mean that I can have more audio processing power since I am
giving up graphics overhead?
If your system is not too old and slow, and if you use a kernel tweaked
for audio, any WM should do.
I'm using Gnome and it works fine. There are a few things tho' that you
can tweak:
- turn off font antialiasing, it is quite CPU-hungry, or do not run
gnome-terms maximized with text scrolling in them (this will make your
system skip if you use font antialiasing)
- don't load up too many Gnome applets
- avoid launching or closing big apps such as Mozilla, Evolution,
OpenOffice, etc. (but you can keep them open with no issues)
I am trying out fvwm and it is pretty sparse, but was
wondering
what others might suggest as best for audio?
FVWM is kinda too sparse for my taste :-)
FluxBox is pretty good. Very small, not as rigid as FVWM, very fast, not
taxing the CPU. I'm using it all the time in VNC - most of my desktops
also run a FluxBox instance in a VNC server all the time in the
background, so that i can vnc into them if i want to.
Using Gnome in VNC would be ridiculous, due to memory consumption and
all, but FluxBox is so small, your system won't feel it.
Also, WindowMaker and derivatives should be fine as well.
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Florin Andrei
http://florin.myip.org/
11:10 a.m.
Florin Andrei wrote:
sparse? rigid? these words do not describe fvwm at all. it's has
pretty much all the features a WM can have and it's also one of the most
configurable ones.
erik
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 14:05, Kent, Gary wrote:
...
I am trying
out fvwm and it is pretty sparse, but was wondering
what others might suggest as best for audio?
FVWM is kinda too sparse for my taste :-)
FluxBox is pretty good. Very small, not as rigid as FVWM, very fast, not
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