27 Jun
2009
27 Jun
'09
5:37 p.m.
I guess I must have misread the Audacity web site and the manual because
a moderator on the Audacity Forum just enlightened me to the fact that
Audacity is NOT an audio editor (as 99.9% of the users falsely believe)
but an 'Editorial Production Environment Manager'! </sarcasm>
Audacity leaves *a lot* to be desired when it comes to making loops
to wit: having to hit stop or pause so Audacity can 'pick up' the loop
start and/or stop markers that were moved during playback makes crafting
loops very painful - I'd go so far as to say useless actually.
can anyone suggest an audio editor (on Linux) that edits loops in real-time?
thanks in advance!
27 Jun
27 Jun
6:01 p.m.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kim Cascone<kim(a)anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
I guess I must have misread the Audacity web site and
the manual because
a moderator on the Audacity Forum just enlightened me to the fact that
Audacity is NOT an audio editor (as 99.9% of the users falsely believe)
but an 'Editorial Production Environment Manager'! </sarcasm>
Audacity leaves *a lot* to be desired when it comes to making loops
to wit: having to hit stop or pause so Audacity can 'pick up' the loop
start and/or stop markers that were moved during playback makes crafting
loops very painful - I'd go so far as to say useless actually.
can anyone suggest an audio editor (on Linux) that edits loops in real-time?
thanks in advance!
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It's a long shot but possibly QTractor?
Good luck,
Mark
6:02 p.m.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kim Cascone<kim(a)anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
I guess I must have misread the Audacity web site and
the manual because
a moderator on the Audacity Forum just enlightened me to the fact that
Audacity is NOT an audio editor (as 99.9% of the users falsely believe)
but an 'Editorial Production Environment Manager'! </sarcasm>
Audacity leaves *a lot* to be desired when it comes to making loops
to wit: having to hit stop or pause so Audacity can 'pick up' the loop
start and/or stop markers that were moved during playback makes crafting
loops very painful - I'd go so far as to say useless actually.
can anyone suggest an audio editor (on Linux) that edits loops in real-time?
thanks in advance!
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http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
rezound if I recall correctly, but really there is little reason to
use anything other than ardour for audio editing on linux, it will do
loops as you trim them in real time, plus so much more. The only
problem with ardour is that it does so much and the user interface
doesn't really give you many hints (ie. control-middle-click on a
object for midi learn).
6:27 p.m.
Hallo,
Justin Smith hat gesagt: // Justin Smith wrote:
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kim
Cascone<kim(a)anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
Actually the easy to use loop cutting is one of the reasons I still start
Rezound besides Ardour. Its loop playing functionality is much nicer and more
intuitive than Ardour's.
Oh, and personally I'm not very fond of Audacity, too. I don't know why it's
so
popular on the web, it's lacking in many areas, not just loop cutting.
Ciao
--
Frank
can anyone suggest an audio editor (on Linux) that edits loops in real-time?
rezound if I recall correctly, but really there is little reason to
use anything other than ardour for audio editing on linux, it will do
loops as you trim them in real time, plus so much more. 
28 Jun
28 Jun
2:51 a.m.
On Saturday 27 June 2009 16:29:58 Frank Barknecht wrote:
Actually the easy to use loop cutting is one of the reasons I still start
Rezound besides Ardour. Its loop playing functionality is much nicer and
more intuitive than Ardour's.
I love Rezound for the way you can put several markers in the file, and then
just save all the different chops as multiple files from just one menu item.
But yes, it is useful for loop editing. I guess it gets closest to Soundforge
which I used on Windows back before I had all these Linux toys. :)
sincerely,
Marije
Hallo,
Justin Smith hat gesagt: // Justin Smith wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kim Cascone<kim(a)anechoicmedia.com>
wrote:
can anyone suggest an audio editor (on Linux) that
edits loops in
real-time?
rezound if I recall correctly, but really there is little reason to
use anything other than ardour for audio editing on linux, it will do
loops as you trim them in real time, plus so much more.
Oh, and personally I'm not very fond of Audacity, too. I don't know why
it's so popular on the web, it's lacking in many areas, not just loop
cutting.
Ciao
6:04 a.m.
Frank Barknecht wrote:
Oh, and personally I'm not very fond of Audacity,
too. I don't know why it's so
popular on the web, it's lacking in many areas, not just loop cutting.
It's popularity on the web is perhaps due to it being cross-platform???
It's main useful feature for me is the ability to edit samples directly,
drawing with a mouse, so I keep it around for occasional use - any
better suggestions for direct sample editing?
Simon
7:09 a.m.
2009/6/28, Simon Wise <simonzwise(a)gmail.com>om>:
Frank Barknecht wrote:
No, most people don't care about that. Audacity has a delightfully
simple interface which is probably very easy for people to get started
with. The learning curve is probably the reason for its popularity...
designers of other tools take note...
Dan
Oh, and personally I'm not very fond of
Audacity, too. I don't know why it's so
popular on the web, it's lacking in many areas, not just loop cutting.
It's popularity on the web is perhaps due to it being cross-platform??? 
7:34 a.m.
Oh please, no. Designers, do NOT design with wxwidgets - it's ugly as hell!
I mean..I woulda given more love to Audacity if not for the appearance.
Windows users who are "in the know" are more likely to use Wavosaur.
7:57 a.m.
Dan S schrieb:
2009/6/28, Simon Wise <simonzwise(a)gmail.com>om>:
the combination of editing and the possiblity to arrange is the good
thing of audacity.
i would say that the dissapearance of the regionpoints on stop is a bug,
but i am not a developer ...
Frank Barknecht wrote:
No, most people don't care about that. Audacity has a delightfully
simple interface which is probably very easy for people to get started
with. The learning curve is probably the reason for its popularity...
designers of other tools take note...
Oh, and personally I'm not very fond of
Audacity, too. I don't know why it's so
popular on the web, it's lacking in many areas, not just loop cutting.
It's popularity on the web is perhaps due to it being cross-platform???
10:24 a.m.
Frank Barknecht <fbar(a)footils.org> writes:
Hallo,
Justin Smith hat gesagt: // Justin Smith wrote:
I agree, rezound could be the best linux audio editor but
unfortunately doesn't play so well with JACK (it causes many
xruns). Do you know if it's still developed? Once fixed the JACK
problems, could be my editor of choice.
Also sweep is a good editor (need to recompile the debian version to
use it with JACK through alsa's jack plugin) and does
update the selection while looped.
Fo trivial editing tasks and some simple recording I use mhwaveedit
which in my experience is the one that integrates better (and
natively) with JACK. Has painful LADSPA integration, though: like a
long list of unsorted plugins...
I don't use snd much but I see it has a lot of potential (snd-ls comes
to mind) - it also give me sporadic xruns, but not as much as rezound.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kim
Cascone<kim(a)anechoicmedia.com> wrote:
Actually the easy to use loop cutting is one of the reasons I still start
Rezound besides Ardour. Its loop playing functionality is much nicer and more
intuitive than Ardour's.
can anyone suggest an audio editor (on Linux) that edits loops in real-time?
rezound if I recall correctly, but really there is little reason to
use anything other than ardour for audio editing on linux, it will do
loops as you trim them in real time, plus so much more. Oh, and personally I'm not very fond of Audacity,
too. I don't know why it's so
popular on the web, it's lacking in many areas, not just loop
cutting.
I don't like audacity very much either. Its popularity comes maybe
from the fact of being croos platform, and relatively simple to use
(simpler than snd at least ;) Its multitrack facilities make it an
ideal tool for podcasters, too.
Ciao
Ciao
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Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
10:38 a.m.
Emiliano Grilli wrote:
I don't like audacity very much either. Its
popularity comes maybe
from the fact of being cross platform, and relatively simple to use
(simpler than snd at least ;) Its multitrack facilities make it an
ideal tool for podcasters, too.
Audacity is very popular here at Studio Dave. I recommend it to all my
students, it has some exceptional features for practicing musicians.
However, I use ReZound to do most of my touch-up edits to my own work.
re: Wavosaur - Indeed, some Windows users are more likely to use it than
Audacity, primarily because of its support for VST and ASIO. I use it
with Reaper under WINE, performance is very good there.
Best,
dp
11:04 a.m.
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> writes:
Emiliano Grilli wrote:
Sure, when I have to suggest an audio editor to people I have
converted to GNU/linux "audacity" is almost always the advice I give.
Many of them don't have/doesn't care for JACK or low latency so ardour
would be impossible. Other editors have less features or are too
difficult to configure via phone :) For example the monitoring
section I use to tell if the signal is there... etc..
I don't like audacity very much either. Its
popularity comes maybe
from the fact of being cross platform, and relatively simple to use
(simpler than snd at least ;) Its multitrack facilities make it an
ideal tool for podcasters, too.
Audacity is very popular here at Studio Dave. I recommend it to all my
students, it has some exceptional features for practicing musicians. However, I use ReZound to do most of my touch-up edits
to my own work.
How do you manage to use it with JACK in a stable way? I'm sure that
at Studio Dave, as here at cricketstudios JACK is "always on" :)
re: Wavosaur - Indeed, some Windows users are more
likely to use it than
Audacity, primarily because of its support for VST and ASIO. I use it
with Reaper under WINE, performance is very good there.
I don't know of wavosaur... I was using goldwave long long time ago on
windows.. I tend to avoid wine if I can, now.
Best,
dp
Cheers :)
BTW, compliments for the lightning/zebra jacket ;)
--
Emiliano Grilli
Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
11:52 a.m.
Emiliano Grilli wrote:
I understand. However, since I have to test it every now and then I do
try to maintain a working Wine-based sound & music environment here,
though I don't do any production work with it.
Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> writes:
No, I use ReZound without JACK. My sessions in ReZound are usually
pretty short, consisting mostly of trim and normalization operations.
.... I use ReZound to do most of my touch-up
edits to my own work.
How do you manage to use it with JACK in a stable way? I'm sure that
at Studio Dave, as here at cricketstudios JACK is "always on" :)
re: Wavosaur - Indeed, some Windows users are
more likely to use it than
Audacity, primarily because of its support for VST and ASIO. I use it
with Reaper under WINE, performance is very good there.
I don't know of wavosaur... I was using goldwave long long time ago on
windows.. I tend to avoid wine if I can, now.
BTW, compliments for the lightning/zebra jacket ;)
It's a killer, isn't it ? Alas, the picture is a composite, and the
jacket belongs/belonged to the great J.B. Lenoir, a hero of the blues :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._B._Lenoir
Best,
dp
29 Jun
29 Jun
1:31 p.m.
On Sunday 28 June 2009 08:24:26 Emiliano Grilli wrote:
Actually the easy to use loop cutting is one of the reasons I still
start Rezound besides Ardour. Its loop playing functionality is much
nicer and more intuitive than Ardour's.
I agree, rezound could be the best linux audio editor but
unfortunately doesn't play so well with JACK (it causes many
xruns). Do you know if it's still developed? Once fixed the JACK
problems, could be my editor of choice.
Should we send out a call for adoption for Rezound?
Sincerely,
Marije
Frank Barknecht <fbar(a)footils.org> writes:
> Hallo,
>
> Justin Smith hat gesagt: // Justin Smith wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kim Cascone<kim(a)anechoicmedia.com>
wrote:
can anyone
suggest an audio editor (on Linux) that edits loops in
real-time?
rezound if I recall correctly, but really there is little reason to
use anything other than ardour for audio editing on linux, it will do
loops as you trim them in real time, plus so much more. 
1:33 p.m.
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:31 AM, nescivi <nescivi(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday 28 June 2009 08:24:26 Emiliano Grilli
wrote:
I agree, rezound could be the best linux audio editor but
unfortunately doesn't play so well with JACK (it causes many
xruns). Do you know if it's still developed? Once fixed the JACK
problems, could be my editor of choice.
Should we send out a call for adoption for Rezound?
Sincerely,
Marije
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Frank Barknecht <fbar(a)footils.org> writes:
> Hallo,
>
> Justin Smith hat gesagt: // Justin Smith wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kim Cascone<kim(a)anechoicmedia.com>
wrote:
> can anyone suggest an audio editor (on Linux)
that edits loops in
> real-time?
rezound if I recall correctly, but really there is little reason to
use anything other than ardour for audio editing on linux, it will do
loops as you trim them in real time, plus so much more.
Actually the easy to use loop cutting is one of the reasons I still
start Rezound besides Ardour. Its loop playing functionality is much
nicer and more intuitive than Ardour's.
3:13 p.m.
nescivi <nescivi(a)gmail.com> writes:
On Sunday 28 June 2009 08:24:26 Emiliano Grilli
wrote:
I agree, rezound could be the best linux audio editor but
unfortunately doesn't play so well with JACK (it causes many
xruns). Do you know if it's still developed? Once fixed the JACK
problems, could be my editor of choice.
Should we send out a call for adoption for Rezound?
Absolutely :)
Apart from JACK support, which is the biggest showstopper now, there
should be a bug related to "curved gain" if I recall correctly, which
is BTW a cool feature.
For the rest it's pretty there, I think. It would be very good a
preview for LADSPA effects.
There is another cool feature no other editor I know has, which is
"play looped but skip most of the middle".
I would like to help, but unfortunately my coding skills are very
primitive, I know some bash and not much more...
Some years ago I recall that digging in the mailing lists I read that
the developer was porting rezound to another graphical toolkit so
maybe is better to contact him before the adoption call :)
Frank Barknecht <fbar(a)footils.org> writes:
> Hallo,
>
> Justin Smith hat gesagt: // Justin Smith wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Kim Cascone<kim(a)anechoicmedia.com>
wrote:
> can anyone suggest an audio editor (on Linux)
that edits loops in
> real-time?
rezound if I recall correctly, but really there is little reason to
use anything other than ardour for audio editing on linux, it will do
loops as you trim them in real time, plus so much more.
Actually the easy to use loop cutting is one of the reasons I still
start Rezound besides Ardour. Its loop playing functionality is much
nicer and more intuitive than Ardour's. Sincerely,
Marije
Cheers
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Linux user #209089
http://www.emillo.net
28 Jun
28 Jun
2:15 p.m.
Recently I read about a loop editing/ slicer called smasher, available
for Windows and Linux:
http://smasher.sourceforge.net
I didn't checked it out yet but it seems more for slicing and
rearranging beats.
Cheers,
Malte
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