13 Apr
2014
13 Apr
'14
6:27 p.m.
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I'm running PulseAudio on top of Jack and I'm satisfied with the
experience
http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/PulseOnJack
One exception is that i need to restart PulseAudio (pulseaudio -k) and
the application using it (for ex. Chromium or Firefox) after every
suspend. Is there a way to solve this little annoyance?
m.
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13 Apr
13 Apr
6:47 p.m.
On Mon, 2014-04-14 at 01:26 +0900, Max wrote:
I'm running PulseAudio on top of Jack and I'm
satisfied with the
experience
http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/PulseOnJack
One exception is that i need to restart PulseAudio (pulseaudio -k) and
the application using it (for ex. Chromium or Firefox) after every
suspend. Is there a way to solve this little annoyance?
AFAIK jack can't be used if you suspend/hibernate. I might be mistaken.
IMO you anyway should get rid of PA, resp. decide to use PA or jack,
depending too your needs. I can't see an advantage in using both at the
same time.
http://jackaudio.org/routing_flash
http://jackaudio.org/gstreamer_via_jack
etc. pp.
http://jackaudio.org/faq
I don't care about it, when using a browser I don't make audio
productions and when making audio productions, I don't use a browser, so
I simply use jack for audio productions and ALSA when surfing.
7:07 p.m.
On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:46, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
AFAIK jack can't be used if you suspend/hibernate. I might be mistaken.
You're mistaken :) I have had some problems with FireWire and suspend in the past,
but lately no trouble with builtin or usb audio. Haven't really used FW in 6-8 months
so it may be better too.
IMO you anyway should get rid of PA, resp. decide to use PA or jack,
depending too your needs. I can't see an advantage in using both at the
same time.
It can be pretty convenient to have both working when you want to play some files for
reference using whatever music player you want, or some random desktop AV stuff, or open
music in a browser without worrying about Jack support in apps or a fragile pipeline like
the gstreamer jack endpoints.
Or record a screencast, where you are screencasting audio-producing apps, using an
external mic for narration and recording the audio into Ardour.
I think of the split as "I let pulse manage desktop audio, Jack does the real
work."
Thanks,
Bill Gribble
7:43 p.m.
On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 13:07 -0400, Bill Gribble wrote:
Perhaps, but there might be alternative solutions available too.
Regards,
Ralf
PS regarding to the "package manager headaches" Harry mentioned:
At least building dummy packages for Debian, *buntus and Arch isn't
rocket science. I'm willing to help to build dummy packages for this
distros and likely other members from this list can help to build dummy
packages for other distros, or e.g. help to disable PA.
IMO you anyway
should get rid of PA, resp. decide to use PA or jack,
depending too your needs. I can't see an advantage in using both at
the same time.
It can be pretty convenient to have both working when you want to
[...] 
6:55 p.m.
(Auto-)Run a script after resume for suspend, little bit of ps / bash magic
to restore browsers if it was running?
Removing PA as Ralf suggests is not the route I advise: it requires a lot
of changes to get rid of PA (and package manager headaches)..
Hath, -Harry
PS sent from a phone, excuse typos and no-quote reply..
7:05 p.m.
On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 17:55 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
Removing PA as Ralf suggests is not the route I
advise: it requires a
lot of changes to get rid of PA (and package manager headaches)..
Yesno, it depends to the used WM/DE. I even don't use Xfce anymore, but
switched to JWM. However, AFAIK even Xfce doesn't come with hard
dependencies to PA, AFAIK just bloated DEs like GNOME ship with unneeded
dependencies like a hard dependency to PA.
7:43 p.m.
On 04/13/2014 07:05 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 17:55 +0100, Harry van Haaren
wrote:
And KDE.
--
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gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
Removing PA as Ralf suggests is not the route I
advise: it requires a
lot of changes to get rid of PA (and package manager headaches)..
Yesno, it depends to the used WM/DE. I even don't use Xfce anymore, but
switched to JWM. However, AFAIK even Xfce doesn't come with hard
dependencies to PA, AFAIK just bloated DEs like GNOME ship with unneeded
dependencies like a hard dependency to PA. 
11:53 p.m.
And KDE.
I am happily running KDE (and xfce on another machine) without
pulseaudio even installed on any system. Neither any gstreamer stuff
(not true for xfce, unfortunately) at all. Happy with alsa, jack and KDE
- and I have not been missing anything the last years. So, as usual,
bloat is likely to be a more distribution specific issue, with package
maintainers having to try to please anyone and therefore enable each and
every option instead of having a clear line or focus.
Not sure for gnome though, others may comment here.
14 Apr
14 Apr
7:31 a.m.
On 04/13/2014 11:53 AM, Ede Wolf wrote:
Did you install KDE yourself, or was it part of the distro you used?
I use XFCE, it has no dependencies on Pulse.
I have Pulse on one XFCE, IIRC, it was something some Gnome app depended on.
--
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gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
And KDE.
I am happily running KDE (and xfce on another machine) without
pulseaudio even installed on any system. Neither any gstreamer stuff
(not true for xfce, unfortunately) at all. Happy with alsa, jack and KDE
- and I have not been missing anything the last years. So, as usual,
bloat is likely to be a more distribution specific issue, with package
maintainers having to try to please anyone and therefore enable each and
every option instead of having a clear line or focus.
8:14 p.m.
On 04/14/2014 02:00 AM, Ede Wolf wrote:
Ah, thanks. Both give you much more control over things.
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David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
Did you install KDE yourself, or was it part of
the distro you used?
I use XFCE, it has no dependencies on Pulse.
I have Pulse on one XFCE, IIRC, it was something some Gnome app depended
on.
Part of the distro, but source based (gentoo) for KDE; arch for the xfce
box 
13 Apr
13 Apr
11:30 p.m.
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014, Max wrote:
I'm running PulseAudio on top of Jack and I'm
satisfied with the
experience
http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/PulseOnJack
One exception is that i need to restart PulseAudio (pulseaudio -k) and
the application using it (for ex. Chromium or Firefox) after every
suspend. Is there a way to solve this little annoyance?
First thing is to make sure you have a current PA as there has been a lot
of work on it in the past few years. Things that didn't work or not right
in 2012 have been fixed and work now. [edit, this does not seem to be
fixed lp:#1232295 is not closed] I don't personally know about
suspend because I don't happen to need/use it. Once PA gets restarted
though, I don't think there is much you can do about chromium/firefox
although just reloading the page should bring it back because the pulse
port is not opened by gstream until/unless the web page needs it. It
should be the same with many other desktop apps (which is why PA-jack is
so useful). Many of them shut the port just with a pause and certainly
with a stop/play (but that would loose the place you were if part way
through a movie). This page:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#No_sound_after_resume_from_…
Suggests that pulseaudio -k is not the best thing to do and that using
pasuspender will not break running applications like the browser. The
script on the same page will only work if you have systemd running the
system... so not debian or derivatives (just yet).
It sounds like jackdbus has made it through the suspend ok anyway.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
14 Apr
14 Apr
7:36 a.m.
On 04/13/2014 11:24 AM, Len Ovens wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014, Max wrote:
IIRC, older Firefox versions used to not let go of the audio system (if
Flash was installed) until you closed Firefox. I have a friend who up to
a few years ago had a script he ran (after closing Firefox) to kill the
remaining Flash process that it would leave behind.
--
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
I'm running PulseAudio on top of Jack and
I'm satisfied with the
experience
http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/PulseOnJack
One exception is that i need to restart PulseAudio (pulseaudio -k) and
the application using it (for ex. Chromium or Firefox) after every
suspend. Is there a way to solve this little annoyance?
First thing is to make sure you have a current PA as there has been a
lot of work on it in the past few years. Things that didn't work or not
right in 2012 have been fixed and work now. [edit, this does not seem to
be fixed lp:#1232295 is not closed] I don't personally know about
suspend because I don't happen to need/use it. Once PA gets restarted
though, I don't think there is much you can do about chromium/firefox
although just reloading the page should bring it back because the pulse
port is not opened by gstream until/unless the web page needs it. It
should be the same with many other desktop apps (which is why PA-jack is
so useful). Many of them shut the port just with a pause and certainly
with a stop/play (but that would loose the place you were if part way
through a movie). This page:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#No_sound_after_resume_from_…
Suggests that pulseaudio -k is not the best thing to do and that using
pasuspender will not break running applications like the browser. The
script on the same page will only work if you have systemd running the
system... so not debian or derivatives (just yet).
It sounds like jackdbus has made it through the suspend ok anyway. 
26 Apr
26 Apr
11:33 a.m.
On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:35:54 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
On 04/13/2014 11:24 AM, Len Ovens wrote:
Current firefox keeps the flash process alive and running even though
all websites that used flash have been closed. At least the process
exits when firefox exits.
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014, Max wrote:
IIRC, older Firefox versions used to not let go of the audio system
(if Flash was installed) until you closed Firefox. I have a friend
who up to a few years ago had a script he ran (after closing Firefox)
to kill the remaining Flash process that it would leave behind. I'm running PulseAudio on top of Jack and
I'm satisfied with the
experience
http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/PulseOnJack
One exception is that i need to restart PulseAudio (pulseaudio -k)
and the application using it (for ex. Chromium or Firefox) after
every suspend. Is there a way to solve this little annoyance?
First thing is to make sure you have a current PA as there has been
a lot of work on it in the past few years. Things that didn't work
or not right in 2012 have been fixed and work now. [edit, this does
not seem to be fixed lp:#1232295 is not closed] I don't personally
know about suspend because I don't happen to need/use it. Once PA
gets restarted though, I don't think there is much you can do about
chromium/firefox although just reloading the page should bring it
back because the pulse port is not opened by gstream until/unless
the web page needs it. It should be the same with many other
desktop apps (which is why PA-jack is so useful). Many of them shut
the port just with a pause and certainly with a stop/play (but that
would loose the place you were if part way through a movie). This
page:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#No_sound_after_resume_from_…
Suggests that pulseaudio -k is not the best thing to do and that
using pasuspender will not break running applications like the
browser. The script on the same page will only work if you have
systemd running the system... so not debian or derivatives (just
yet).
It sounds like jackdbus has made it through the suspend ok anyway.
11:37 p.m.
On 04/25/2014 11:32 PM, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Glad they fixed that bug.
--
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
IIRC, older
Firefox versions used to not let go of the audio system
(if Flash was installed) until you closed Firefox. I have a friend
who up to a few years ago had a script he ran (after closing Firefox)
to kill the remaining Flash process that it would leave behind.
Current firefox keeps the flash process alive and running even though
all websites that used flash have been closed. At least the process
exits when firefox exits.
4 May
4 May
4:41 a.m.
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On 2014년 04월 14일 06:24, Len Ovens wrote:
First thing is to make sure you have a current PA as
there has been
a lot of work on it in the past few years. Things that didn't work
or not right in 2012 have been fixed and work now. [edit, this does
not seem to be fixed lp:#1232295 is not closed] I don't personally
know about suspend because I don't happen to need/use it. Once PA
gets restarted though, I don't think there is much you can do about
chromium/firefox although just reloading the page should bring it
back because the pulse port is not opened by gstream until/unless
the web page needs it. It should be the same with many other
desktop apps (which is why PA-jack is so useful). Many of them shut
the port just with a pause and certainly with a stop/play (but that
would loose the place you were if part way through a movie). This
page:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#No_sound_after_resume_from_…
Suggests that pulseaudio -k is not the best thing to do and that
using pasuspender will not break running applications like the
browser.
they suggest
/usr/bin/pasuspender /bin/true
instead, but that's doing nothing for me to bring back PA after
suspend, only pulseaudio -k works.
Odd situation is that html5 audio is broken just as well as flash
audio in the browser after suspend. The difference is that for flash I
only need to reload the tab which is using it, while for html5 audio I
have to restart the whole browser to get audio back.
It sounds like jackdbus has made it through the
suspend ok anyway.
yes, guess that's something to be thankful for, could always be a lot
more complicated.
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1:43 p.m.
El 04/05/2014 04:41, "Max" <abonnements(a)revolwear.com> escribió:
In some systems/distros I use I think I don't have problems now : Kubuntu
(pulseaudio IIRC), Musix and Raspbian (both based on Debian and tweaked by
me to get rid of problems with pulseaudio).
But truth is that I'm not used to suspend when working (i.e. music
production and jamming) on these two last.
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On 2014년 04월 14일 06:24, Len Ovens wrote:
> First thing is to make sure you have a current PA as there has been
> a lot of work on it in the past few years. Things that didn't work
> or not right in 2012 have been fixed and work now. [edit, this does
> not seem to be fixed lp:#1232295 is not closed] I don't personally
> know about suspend because I don't happen to need/use it. Once PA
> gets restarted though, I don't think there is much you can do about
> chromium/firefox although just reloading the page should bring it
> back because the pulse port is not opened by gstream until/unless
> the web page needs it. It should be the same with many other
> desktop apps (which is why PA-jack is so useful). Many of them shut
> the port just with a pause and certainly with a stop/play (but that
> would loose the place you were if part way through a movie). This
> page:
>
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#No_sound_after_resume_from_…
Suggests that pulseaudio -k is not the best thing to do and that
using pasuspender will not break running applications like the
browser.
they suggest
/usr/bin/pasuspender /bin/true
instead, but that's doing nothing for me to bring back PA after
suspend, only pulseaudio -k works.
Odd situation is that html5 audio is broken just as
well as flash
audio in the browser after suspend. The difference is that for flash I
only need to reload the tab which is using it, while for html5 audio I
have to restart the whole browser to get audio back.
Interesting. Several of my experiments and projects deal with HTML5 and
Open Web Apps for musicians and artists, and I didn't have problems, but I
will check it again on desktop as I develop "Mobile first" and multidevice
approach.
It sounds like
jackdbus has made it through the suspend ok anyway.
yes, guess that's something to be thankful for, could always be a lot
more complicated.
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7:27 a.m.
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Max <abonnements(a)revolwear.com> wrote:
I'm running PulseAudio on top of Jack and I'm satisfied with the
experience
http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/PulseOnJack
I've come out of a long lurking streak to say THANK YOU for pointing this
out, it works great for me and I've never gotten any other
solution/combination of solutions to work all the time for my setup.
-Sean
7:34 a.m.
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On 2014년 05월 13일 14:27, Sean Corbett wrote:
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Max
<abonnements(a)revolwear.com
<mailto:abonnements@revolwear.com>> wrote:
I'm running PulseAudio on top of Jack and I'm satisfied with the
experience
http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/PulseOnJack
I've come out of a long lurking streak to say THANK YOU for
pointing this out, it works great for me and I've never gotten any
other solution/combination of solutions to work all the time for my
setup.
now if only the issue after suspend/resume would be sorted out. If
someone has a proper fix for this, please speak up.
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26 May
26 May
6:37 a.m.
I am running on a laptop which goes between home (USB + jack +
speakers) and work (internal sound card) and the following works for
me on Kubuntu 14.04
I had to enable automatic module loading in pulse and install the jack
backend for pulse.
with that enabled pulse will find jack whenever it is available, IIRC
I may still have to restart jack after system sleep.
For that I am using cadence which works very nicely from the system tray.
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Max <abonnements(a)revolwear.com> wrote:
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On 2014년 05월 13일 14:27, Sean Corbett wrote:
On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Max
<abonnements(a)revolwear.com
<mailto:abonnements@revolwear.com>> wrote:
I'm running PulseAudio on top of Jack and I'm satisfied with the
experience
http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/WalkThrough/User/PulseOnJack
I've come out of a long lurking streak to say THANK YOU for
pointing this out, it works great for me and I've never gotten any
other solution/combination of solutions to work all the time for my
setup.
now if only the issue after suspend/resume would be sorted out. If
someone has a proper fix for this, please speak up.
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