13 Feb
2008
13 Feb
'08
5:27 a.m.
Hartmut Noack wrote:
At this moment the project's strategy is to get a release out ASAP with
support for the devices of cooperative vendors. The idea is that it's
too cumbersome to support devices we don't have access to. Having a
released will hopefully accelerate vendor support for us. Unfortunately
for you Presonus is not on the 'supportive vendors' list yet.
The settings and configuration part of ffado is the section that needs
the vendor support the most. It's sort off a chicken and egg problem. As
I mentioned before, our current strategy is to focus on devices that we
have access to, in order to get things moving. FFADO might (partially)
work with other devices since it's designed to be as broad as possible.
But it might not, and then you're sort-off on your own. On the long run
things should resolve themselves. The best thing you can do is harass
the vendors a bit such that they realize (think?) we're not a bunch of
insignificant freaks. I've been advising strategy this a lot over the
last year and I'm starting to see the results of that.
Getting a decent (released) version is a real priority since I'll
probably be visiting the Musikmesse in Frankfurt again this year, and I
really want to have something solid there. Face-to-face communication
with the vendors should work better than email.
Greets,
Pieter
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Pieter Palmers schrieb:
Unfortunately
this is not what my experience is. A lot of users are
disappointed if you tell them that they are on their own since the
software is experimental.
Hartmut Noack wrote:
Please don't advertise using ffado towards unexperienced users.
Allright - this I understand also but if users with some skill use it it
generates feedback that you might have a use for? And everybody is well
aware, that there is no support for an unreleased software. Plus: if
others share their experience with ffado, it can help you a lot to build
a documentation. And: if people out there use their interfaces with
Linux it could make some HW-vendors think about sending you their boxes
for testing.
We can't
cope with the RTFM type of support that would generate.
And you dont need to - everybody, that does not understand, that unpaid
devs do not have the time to offer support for a software that is
labeled experimental/unsupported can be savely ignored I guess... FFADO is
currently only for users that already sort-of know what they are doing,
and who we don't have to help setting up their system.
But I am glad to offer help by spreading my experience with the
software. I dare to say, that I am some sort of a user, that knows, what
he does but still it took me about 2 h to find out, that the stuff in
test/ is so important and can do such tricks like switching sync - a
feature, that is absolutely vital, since with it I can have 6
In-channels with my Firebox instead of 4...
wich does not work btw ;-)
$ ./progs/libffado/tests/test-ffado -n 1 SetClockSource 80
Type: Sync Syt Match , Id: 80, Valid: 1, Active: 0, Description:
Sync Stream Input
Type: Compound Syt Match, Id: 79, Valid: 1, Active: 0, Description: Syt
Match
Type: Internal , Id: 78, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Description:
Internal (CSP)
set clock source to 80
Could not set clock source
it worked for ID 79 but with no usable effect.
Anybody out there who knows what could be wrong?
Judging from the output, the
firebox doesn't support the standardized
method of selecting the sync source. Which is very unfortunate since
that means we need info from presonus to figure out how it should be done.
What might work is that you have a valid spdif source connected before
you start jack, or maybe before you power up the firebox. It might
auto-select SPDIF when there's a valid signal. I know the quatafire
works like this.
Keep in mind that all time spent on support is
not spent on development.
Thanks a lot for your great work - freeBoB works just great for me and I
respect your policy regarding support for ffado. All I want is to help
others, that feel a strong itch to use their machines with Linux but
decide to do not, because they cannot alter settings like clock-source. 
21 Mar
21 Mar
9:48 p.m.
New subject: ffado tools and presonus firebox
That's a pity I actually chose the Firebox over other devices because of I
thought that presonus were playing nice with the linux audio community.
Maybe I should write a nice letter and email.
Danni
On Wednesday 13 February 2008 19:27:23 Pieter Palmers wrote:
Hartmut Noack wrote:
At this moment the project's strategy is to get a release out ASAP with
support for the devices of cooperative vendors. The idea is that it's
too cumbersome to support devices we don't have access to. Having a
released will hopefully accelerate vendor support for us. Unfortunately
for you Presonus is not on the 'supportive vendors' list yet.
The settings and configuration part of ffado is the section that needs
the vendor support the most. It's sort off a chicken and egg problem. As
I mentioned before, our current strategy is to focus on devices that we
have access to, in order to get things moving. FFADO might (partially)
work with other devices since it's designed to be as broad as possible.
But it might not, and then you're sort-off on your own. On the long run
things should resolve themselves. The best thing you can do is harass
the vendors a bit such that they realize (think?) we're not a bunch of
insignificant freaks. I've been advising strategy this a lot over the
last year and I'm starting to see the results of that.
Getting a decent (released) version is a real priority since I'll
probably be visiting the Musikmesse in Frankfurt again this year, and I
really want to have something solid there. Face-to-face communication
with the vendors should work better than email.
Greets,
Pieter
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Pieter Palmers schrieb:
Unfortunately this is not what my experience is. A lot of users are
disappointed if you tell them that they are on their own since the
software is experimental.
Hartmut Noack wrote:
Please don't advertise using ffado towards unexperienced users.
Allright - this I understand also but if users with some skill use it it
generates feedback that you might have a use for? And everybody is well
aware, that there is no support for an unreleased software. Plus: if
others share their experience with ffado, it can help you a lot to build
a documentation. And: if people out there use their interfaces with
Linux it could make some HW-vendors think about sending you their boxes
for testing.
We can't
cope with the RTFM type of support that would generate.
And you dont need to - everybody, that does not understand, that unpaid
devs do not have the time to offer support for a software that is
labeled experimental/unsupported can be savely ignored I guess... FFADO is
currently only for users that already sort-of know what they are doing,
and who we don't have to help setting up their system.
But I am glad to offer help by spreading my experience with the
software. I dare to say, that I am some sort of a user, that knows, what
he does but still it took me about 2 h to find out, that the stuff in
test/ is so important and can do such tricks like switching sync - a
feature, that is absolutely vital, since with it I can have 6
In-channels with my Firebox instead of 4... wich does not work btw ;-)
$ ./progs/libffado/tests/test-ffado -n 1 SetClockSource 80
Type: Sync Syt Match , Id: 80, Valid: 1, Active: 0, Description:
Sync Stream Input
Type: Compound Syt Match, Id: 79, Valid: 1, Active: 0, Description: Syt
Match
Type: Internal , Id: 78, Valid: 1, Active: 1, Description:
Internal (CSP)
set clock source to 80
Could not set clock source
it worked for ID 79 but with no usable effect.
Anybody out there who knows what could be wrong?
Judging from the output, the firebox doesn't support the standardized
method of selecting the sync source. Which is very unfortunate since
that means we need info from presonus to figure out how it should be done.
What might work is that you have a valid spdif source connected before
you start jack, or maybe before you power up the firebox. It might
auto-select SPDIF when there's a valid signal. I know the quatafire
works like this.
Keep in
mind that all time spent on support is not spent on development.
Thanks a lot for your great work - freeBoB works just great for me and I
respect your policy regarding support for ffado. All I want is to help
others, that feel a strong itch to use their machines with Linux but
decide to do not, because they cannot alter settings like clock-source.
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