16 Sep
2009
16 Sep
'09
6:28 a.m.
> But actually you guys lost me a bit, what is so
important about the plugin paradigma?
if you have quite a lot plugins with good presets, you actually don't
have to learn anything. just try this and try that, and you've done.
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22 Sep
22 Sep
7:18 p.m.
New subject: which audio synthesis environment?
just read this:
cunnilinux himself schrieb:
wow, its against all my views and ways to make (electronic) music. When
I started in 1983 the first synths with storage were already available
but relying on presets was quite uncommon, it felt a bit like using a
homekeyboard. I am the one who deletes all presets first when getting a
new hardware synth with storage, as with the last additions V-SynthXT
and Machinedrum to the studio.
Do you really think you can create something interesting these days with
riding presets? I start to recognize Omnisphere everywhere, just like
Korg Wavestation in the 90s. Actually I am a bit afraid that using the
old tools in the old ways bears old sounding results. Now that sonically
everything is possible I am starting to rethinking and questioning the
typical (software) sequencers, thoughts which are actually much much older.
A bit of more sonic creativity can spice up every genre.
Cheers,
Malte
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> But
actually you guys lost me a bit, what is so important about the plugin paradigma?
if you have quite a lot plugins with good presets, you actually don't
have to learn anything. just try this and try that, and you've done.
7:39 p.m.
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Malte Steiner wrote:
Do you really think you can create something
interesting these days with
riding presets?
A bit of more sonic creativity can spice up every genre.
I agree with you, all
though it's not black and white only...
How much presets does a acoustic piano have in general?
Some wants to make music, not instruments.
\r
8:12 p.m.
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On Tuesday 22 September 2009 23:37:32 rosea grammostola wrote:
Malte Steiner wrote:
How many different manufacturers of piano are out there? Do they all sound the
same???
Arnold
Do you really think you can create something
interesting these days with
riding presets?
A bit of more sonic creativity can spice up every genre.
I agree with you, all
though it's not black and white only...
How much presets does a acoustic piano have in general? 
8:53 p.m.
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On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:12:45AM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
On Tuesday 22 September 2009 23:37:32 rosea
grammostola wrote:
Most pianos actually have two presets. Press and lock
the 'soft' pedal to get the second. :-)
For some instruments, creating the patch or sound is
considered part of the art of playing them. That is
certainly the case for synthesisers, and before these
were equipped with banks of presets (i.e. in the analog
days), there actually was a lot of creativity in using
them. I do agree with Malte that this is lacking today,
with some rare exceptions. Today most people use a synth
as a cheap substitute for a real instrument or to create
standardized 'synth' sounds, and not as an instrument in
its own right. The result is in most cases just boring.
Ciao,
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Malte Steiner wrote:
> Do you really think you can create something interesting these days with
> riding presets?
> A bit of more sonic creativity can spice up every genre.
I agree with you, all though it's not black
and white only...
How much presets does a acoustic piano have in general?
How many different manufacturers of piano are out there? Do they all sound the
same??? 
23 Sep
23 Sep
3:44 p.m.
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Fons Adriaensen schrieb:
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:12:45AM +0200, Arnold
Krille wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 September 2009 23:37:32 rosea grammostola wrote:
>
>> Malte Steiner wrote:
>>
>>> Do you really think you can create something interesting these days with
>>> riding presets?
...
For some instruments, creating the patch or sound is
considered part of the art of playing them.
Its not only synthesizers. I pity guitarists, that really think, they
can make a recording worth hearing while they do every click to sound
exactly the same as $your_favourite_guitar_hero. To find the perfect
sound for the band and for oneself is an epic fight with combining
different guitars, strings, modifications(picups etc), amps, FX-boxes
and playing itself.
And: oh wonder! lo and behold: picky listeners tend to prefer those who
fight that fight to the end. And the picky listeners are those who
really go to concerts, buy records etc...
Again: presets are not "evil", if they are used as a starting point to
make something individual and to demonstrate the capabilities of a
software, they are absolutely important.
But to demand 200 leadsynth-presets including ready-to-play sounds as
used on the most cool top-20 CDs this year from a distribution of a
softsynth before considering the synth a "professional usable" one is silly.
best regs
HZN
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22 Sep
22 Sep
9:33 p.m.
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rosea grammostola schrieb:
Malte Steiner wrote:
nor 0 and 1 :)
Do you really think you can create something
interesting these days with
riding presets?
A bit of more sonic creativity can spice up every genre.
I agree with you, all
though it's not black and white only...
How much presets does a acoustic piano have in general?
many. I did several socalled prepared piano pieces although I wouldnt
want to treat a Bösendorfer with screws. Its incredible how synthlike,
nearly like FM a piano can sound with screws and erasers between the
strings. My plan B for postapocalyptic days...
Some wants to make music, not instruments.
Indeed, I know that argument. It comes often paired with stuff like Pure
Data or Csound or SuperCollider.
Cheers,
Malte
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5 Mar
5 Mar
7:10 a.m.
New subject: which audio synthesis environment?
quote dave phillips
"For audio and video synthesis, puredata and gem is a rock solid house'
Thinking of this topic. I visited a workshop fluxus.
http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/
It seems like it has a lot of possibilities (probably more then gem has).
It could also be connected to a sound source via jack. So it looks like
supercollider and fluxus could be a very powerful combination to.
I'm interested in more views towards this..
Regards,
\r
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