Here's an old school idea: I used a '56 Garrard turntable for transcribing (Yellowjackets, "Samurai Samba" about 1985). Why? Because it had 16 rpm as a speed, which drops you to almost exactly an octave lower, but half the speed. You can do this with a DAW by playing back at 1/2 sample rate, and it's much easier to get the notes, plus the artifacts of pitchshifting are non-existant. (You don't mind the info loss -- you're listening for content, not sound quality. When you go back to speed, everything seems to make so much more sense. Cheers, Phil M (In reverse, this is how the Earth, Wind, & Fire horns were recorded -- an octave low at 1/2 speed -- to make them seem so tight!) -- Dept. of Mathematics, 342 Machray Hall U. of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2 Office: 446 Machray Hall, 204-474-6470 http://www.rephil.org/ phil at rephil dot org