11 Jan
2006
11 Jan
'06
1:42 p.m.
>>>> "NH" == Nigel Henry
<cave.dnb(a)tiscali.fr> writes:
(Taking this back on the list, since I have a new error message to
report.)
NH> Hi Laura. Ok. Here goes a bit of a shot in the dark. There a
NH> couple of items in your lsmod which I think should be on the
NH> hotplug blacklist. One is emu10k1_gp, which appears to an oss
NH> module for a gameport. The other is, via82cxxx which is the
NH> oss driver for your onboard soundcard. I too have this one in
NH> my lsmod, (it appears my onboard soundcard is the same as
NH> yours on my I-Friend machine) but as I have my onboard card
NH> disabled with the jumpers it doesn't appear to be causing any
NH> conflicts, and I don't have a snd-via82cxxx showing in lsmod
NH> which sort of verifies that.
NH> I have no idea if this is going to work, but it's worth a try. Reboot the
NH> machine so that hotplug will not load the 2 added modules to the blacklist,
NH> and try again, making sure that snd-emu10k1-synth, and the soundfont is
NH> loaded. All the best.
It turns out that adding the oss modules to the blacklist isn't
enough; you also have to take them out of /etc/modules and
/etc/modules<kernel version information>. But I am now booting with
no oss modules that I know about, including not the ones you mention.
A nice side effect of all the reboots that it took to figure that out
is that sound now comes up configured and enabled without my runing
alsaconf and stuff.
However, I still don't have MIDI.
The only sound-related error message I see when I boot up is:
root@serpent:/var/log# grep snd_seq syslog
Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting snd_seq_oss
(/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Device or resource
busy
This suggests to me that the modutils files written by something or
other (certainly not me) are confused about what order to load things
in.
My (clearly not educated enough) guess would be that snd-seq-oss
would have something to do with the oss emulation, which wouldn't be
what aplaymidi would be using to play MIDI files, but of course, if
my system is confused about this, who knows what else it might be
confused about?
So does anyone want to explain what this error message means, or make
a new guess about why my system doesn't play MIDI files?
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12 Jan
12 Jan
12:05 p.m.
Laura Conrad wrote:
Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error
inserting snd_seq_oss
(/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Device
or resource busy
What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of /proc/asound/oss/devices?
Regards,
Clemens
12:15 p.m.
>>>> "CL" == Clemens Ladisch
<clemens(a)ladisch.de> writes:
> Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error
inserting snd_seq_oss
> (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Device
> or resource busy
CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of
CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices?
[come]# cat /proc/asound/oss/devices
2: [0- 2]: raw midi
12: [0-12]: digital audio
3: [0- 3]: digital audio
0: [0- 0]: mixer
13: [0-13]: raw midi
[come]#
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(617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011
233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139
4:17 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:15 -0500, Laura Conrad wrote:
You have a bunch of OSS modules loaded, don't do that:
sound 80332 1 uart401
uart401 11332 0
ac97_codec 20108 0
Lee
>>>> "CL" == Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de> writes:
> Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL:
Error inserting snd_seq_oss
> (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Device
> or resource busy
CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of
CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices?
[come]# cat /proc/asound/oss/devices
2: [0- 2]: raw midi
12: [0-12]: digital audio
3: [0- 3]: digital audio
0: [0- 0]: mixer
13: [0-13]: raw midi
[come]#
9:18 p.m.
On Thursday 12 January 2006 15:17, Lee Revell wrote:
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:15 -0500, Laura Conrad wrote:
You have a bunch of OSS modules loaded, don't do that:
sound 80332 1 uart401
uart401 11332 0
ac97_codec 20108 0
Lee
Pardon me, but what does that mean?
>>>> "CL" == Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de> writes:
> Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error
> inserting snd_seq_oss
> (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/
>snd-seq-oss.ko): Device or resource busy
CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of
CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices?
[come]# cat /proc/asound/oss/devices
2: [0- 2]: raw midi
12: [0-12]: digital audio
3: [0- 3]: digital audio
0: [0- 0]: mixer
13: [0-13]: raw midi
[come]#
9:22 p.m.
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 20:23 -0500, M P Smoak wrote:
On Thursday 12 January 2006 15:17, Lee Revell wrote:
OSS was the old sound system used before ALSA, it's incompatible with
ALSA.
Your distro's init scripts would not do this on their own, unless it's a
truly ancient distro. Probably someone added "uart401" to the list of
modules loaded in a misguided attempt to get MIDI working.
Lee
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:15 -0500, Laura Conrad
wrote:
You have a bunch of OSS modules loaded, don't do that:
sound 80332 1 uart401
uart401 11332 0
ac97_codec 20108 0
Lee
Pardon me, but what does that mean?
>>>> "CL" == Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de> writes:
> Jan 11 12:08:23 serpent modprobe: FATAL: Error
> inserting snd_seq_oss
> (/lib/modules/2.6.14-2-686/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/
>snd-seq-oss.ko): Device or resource busy
CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of
CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices?
[come]# cat /proc/asound/oss/devices
2: [0- 2]: raw midi
12: [0-12]: digital audio
3: [0- 3]: digital audio
0: [0- 0]: mixer
13: [0-13]: raw midi
[come]#
13 Jan
13 Jan
12:42 p.m.
>>>> "LR" == Lee Revell
<rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> writes:
LR> Your distro's init scripts would not do this on their own, unless it's
a
LR> truly ancient distro. Probably someone added "uart401" to the list
of
LR> modules loaded in a misguided attempt to get MIDI working.
I'm pretty sure the distro's init scripts did it on their own. I
certainly didn't do it.
I believe what happens is that the knoppix hardware initialization
finds all the oss stuff and adds it to /etc/modules (and
/etc/modules.<kernel-version>), and all the stuff from this gets
modprobed *before* the hotplug stuff starts, so having all these OSS
things on the hotplug blacklist (which current alsa versions do)
doesn't actually prevent them from being loaded.
I'd be happy to hear a better explanation from someone who actually
knows how the Knoppix boot sequence works, but this is what I've
deduced from several hours of watching my system boot.
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(617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011
233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139
1:38 p.m.
>>>> "LR" == Lee Revell
<rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> writes:
OK, now I have neither the modules you name, nor anything else from
/etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS. I am also booting
with the alsa option, which I'm pretty sure I was doing the last time
hardware MIDI worked. I have tried both with and without muting "<SB
Live>" in alsamixer. I still get no sound from "aplaymidi -p 65:0
<midi file name>"
> >>>>> "CL" == Clemens
Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de> writes:
CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of
CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices?
[astronomers]# cat /proc/asound/oss/devices
2: [0- 2]: raw midi
12: [0-12]: digital audio
3: [0- 3]: digital audio
0: [0- 0]: mixer
1: : sequencer
8: : sequencer
13: [0-13]: raw midi
[astronomers]#
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(617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011
233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139
2 p.m.
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 12:38 -0500, Laura Conrad wrote:
Did you make sure you don't have ld10k1 installed or running?
I am really out of ideas here, this should Just Work, I have never heard
of it not working. The code has not been changed in ages.
Can you try a different machine, or Linux distro? Maybe it's a hardware
problem?
Try posting to the alsa-user list.
Lee
>>>> "LR" == Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> writes:
OK, now I have neither the modules you name, nor anything else from
/etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS. I am also booting
with the alsa option, which I'm pretty sure I was doing the last time
hardware MIDI worked. I have tried both with and without muting "<SB
Live>" in alsamixer. I still get no sound from "aplaymidi -p 65:0
<midi file name>"
> >>>>> "CL" ==
Clemens Ladisch <clemens(a)ladisch.de> writes:
CL> What are the output of lsmod, and the contents of
CL> /proc/asound/oss/devices?
[astronomers]# cat /proc/asound/oss/devices
2: [0- 2]: raw midi
12: [0-12]: digital audio
3: [0- 3]: digital audio
0: [0- 0]: mixer
1: : sequencer
8: : sequencer
13: [0-13]: raw midi
[astronomers]#
3:25 p.m.
>>>> "LR" == Lee Revell
<rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> writes:
LR> Did you make sure you don't have ld10k1 installed or running?
You mean emu10k1? What's ld10k1?
[astronomers]# lsmod | grep ld10k1
[astronomers]# ps auxww | grep ld10k1
lconrad 6462 0.0 0.2 4888 776 pts/1 S+ 14:16 0:00 grep ld10k1
[astronomers]# dpkg -l ld10k1
No packages found matching ld10k1.
[astronomers]# slocate ld10k1
You have mail in /var/spool/mail/lconrad
[astronomers]#
LR> I am really out of ideas here, this should Just Work, I have
LR> never heard of it not working. The code has not been changed
LR> in ages.
It seems to me that both this list and the rosegarden list are full of
people who don't have this working. Some of them are "easy" fixes,
but it certainly doesn't "Just Work" for a lot of people besides me.
LR> Can you try a different machine, or Linux distro? Maybe it's
LR> a hardware problem?
I'll try booting the demudi-live disk on this machine. I think I
tried it a couple of months ago, but my memory is vague about what I
tried and what the results were.
I'm getting a new laptop next week, and I'll certainly try demudi or
something on that. But it's probably fast enough that it doesn't
matter whether I get hardware MIDI working. This machine is the one
with the good screen for publishing, and it would be good if it had
good MIDI output for proofreading as well. Timidity at it's best has
a lot of dropouts on this machine.
LR> Try posting to the alsa-user list.
Maybe. I found them an unpleasant bunch the last time I was reading
it.
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