14 Sep
2014
14 Sep
'14
9:21 p.m.
Hi,
Congas (in this case Wavedrum congas # 19) have sometimes hits louder
than others. Eg. the player hits more forcefully at times. What would
be a good way to even out the output (recorded in Ardour) so that the
stronger hits do not stand out as much in the mix ?
Cheers.
14 Sep
14 Sep
9:34 p.m.
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 15:21 -0400, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
Congas (in this case Wavedrum congas # 19) have
sometimes hits louder
than others. Eg. the player hits more forcefully at times. What would
be a good way to even out the output (recorded in Ardour) so that the
stronger hits do not stand out as much in the mix ?
In this case a compressor is the only good choice. Decrease the dynamic
range.
9:41 p.m.
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 21:34 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 15:21 -0400,
jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
Without hearing it, I can't say if you should use the stereo sum's
compressor or if a compressor for the conga track(s) should be used, to
compensate this.
Congas (in this case Wavedrum congas # 19) have
sometimes hits louder
than others. Eg. the player hits more forcefully at times. What would
be a good way to even out the output (recorded in Ardour) so that the
stronger hits do not stand out as much in the mix ?
In this case a compressor is the only good choice. Decrease the dynamic
range. 
9:42 p.m.
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 15:21 -0400,
jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
sometimes using a (lookahead) limiter is easier than bad setting a compressor. You could
try both compressor and limiter to find the one best for you.
Calf has good ones.
Congas (in this case Wavedrum congas # 19) have
sometimes hits louder
than others. Eg. the player hits more forcefully at times. What would
be a good way to even out the output (recorded in Ardour) so that the
stronger hits do not stand out as much in the mix ?
In this case a compressor is the only good choice. Decrease the dynamic
range.
9:48 p.m.
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 21:42 +0200, raf wrote:
That's ok, but using a limiter, there's the need to listen very well ;),
a limiter likely could cause unwanted side effects.
I dislike to use a compressor, but much more I dislike to use a limiter.
But there's nothing wrong with the assumption that a limiter could be
the right tool.
What to use, a limiter and/or compressor for the conga track(s), or just
a compressor for the stereo sum, depends to the kind of unwanted dynamic
range.
On Sun,
2014-09-14 at 15:21 -0400, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
sometimes using a (lookahead) limiter is easier than bad setting a compressor. You could
try both compressor and limiter to find the one best for you.
Calf has good ones. Congas (in this case Wavedrum congas # 19) have
sometimes hits louder
than others. Eg. the player hits more forcefully at times. What would
be a good way to even out the output (recorded in Ardour) so that the
stronger hits do not stand out as much in the mix ?
In this case a compressor is the only good choice. Decrease the dynamic
range. 
9:48 p.m.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:21 PM, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com
<jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
so that the stronger hits do not stand out as much in
the mix ?
A compressor is generally used for this: try a ratio of 2:1, middle
setting for attack & release time, no make-up gain.
While listening to a 4 bar loop of the congas, bring down the
threshold down, and find where it starts to have an effect. Find
something suitable, that it removes a little of the peak, but not too
much: use your ears :)
With those settings, try changing the attack , and see what setting
works well. A longer attack on a compressor allows the initial "peak"
to cut trough, and then compression will kick in. Shorter attacks will
tame all the peaks, but will give a somewhat unnatural sound.
Hope that helps, -Harry
--
www.openavproductions.com
9:55 p.m.
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 20:48 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
A compressor is generally used for this: try a ratio
of 2:1, middle
setting for attack & release time, no make-up gain.
While listening to a 4 bar loop of the congas, bring down the
threshold down, and find where it starts to have an effect. Find
something suitable, that it removes a little of the peak, but not too
much: use your ears :)
With those settings, try changing the attack , and see what setting
works well. A longer attack on a compressor allows the initial "peak"
to cut trough, and then compression will kick in. Shorter attacks will
tame all the peaks, but will give a somewhat unnatural sound.
IMO that's a good advice for somebody who start learning how to handle
this issue.
10:10 p.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: Smoothing congas
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 20:48 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote:
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:21 PM, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com
<jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
JFTR for the conga tack(s) the OP could use a simple compressor, but
it's worth the effort to test a multi band compressor for the stereo sum
first.
so that the stronger hits do not stand out as
much in the mix ?
A compressor is generally used for this: try a ratio of 2:1, middle
setting for attack & release time, no make-up gain.
While listening to a 4 bar loop of the congas, bring down the
threshold down, and find where it starts to have an effect. Find
something suitable, that it removes a little of the peak, but not too
much: use your ears :)
With those settings, try changing the attack , and see what setting
works well. A longer attack on a compressor allows the initial "peak"
to cut trough, and then compression will kick in. Shorter attacks will
tame all the peaks, but will give a somewhat unnatural sound.
10:38 p.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: Smoothing congas
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 22:10:20 +0200,
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote :
JFTR for the conga tack(s) the OP could use a simple
compressor, but
it's worth the effort to test a multi band compressor for the stereo
sum first.
Thanks all for the comments. Question: what is the 'stereo sum' ? Not
that the conga track mono/stereo could matter (maybe ?, although it is
mono).
10:50 p.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Smoothing congas
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 16:38 -0400, jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 22:10:20 +0200,
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote :
Stereo sum is the mix of all audio tracks. There's a difference if yo
use a dynamic effect for the mix of all tracks or for some tracks before
they are mixed to the stereo output.
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 22:38 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
JFTR for the conga tack(s) the OP could use a
simple compressor, but
it's worth the effort to test a multi band compressor for the stereo
sum first.
Thanks all for the comments. Question: what is the 'stereo sum' ? Not
that the conga track mono/stereo could matter (maybe ?, although it is
mono). Optimally
But the OP runs into a situation that isn't optimal ;).
manually edit the individual hits
That's neither a bad, nor a good advice, it still depends to the kind of
unwanted dynamic. Since conga hits don't overlap with other beats as
often as other sounds do, it might be possible to use an editor, OTOH,
there might be too much beats to edit them manually.
10:38 p.m.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:21:00 -0400
"jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com" <jonetsu(a)teksavvy.com> wrote:
Hi,
Congas (in this case Wavedrum congas # 19) have sometimes hits
louder than others. Eg. the player hits more forcefully at times.
What would be a good way to even out the output (recorded in Ardour)
so that the stronger hits do not stand out as much in the mix ?
Cheers.
Optimally the musician would play it again, because even if you
compress or otherwise modify the recording to smooth out the loud hits
they might still have a different character.
Besides the compression mentioned by Harry and others you might be able
to manually edit the individual hits. You could slice the hits and lower
volume, which would only work if the hits are clearly separate, but
would have the benefit that the character of the hits would remain
unaffected.
Another way would be to use some careful volume automation.
Regards,
Philipp
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