20 Dec
2012
20 Dec
'12
3:29 p.m.
Have been reading about this lately.
Anyone knows what the state is regarding Linux audio and Ravenna?
http://ravenna.alcnetworx.com/technology/about-ravenna.html
Would be very interesting as it's open technology standard.
Best Regards
Moshe
7:09 p.m.
Interesting cause on their website they claim it's an open standard.
Theoretically, would it be possible to get perfect linux support for
interfaces that will be made according to this standard?
Because today the main problem with hardware support for linux (as far as
understood) is with vendors not releasing info about the driver/engineering
of the devices.
With an open standard would this not be a thing of the past?
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Florian Faber <faber(a)faberman.de> wrote:
Moshe,
Would be very interesting as it's open
technology standard.
It is not really open (yet). Wait for AES X192, there you have an open
standard.
Flo
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7:43 p.m.
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 21:09 +0200, Moshe Werner wrote:
Because today the main problem with hardware support
for linux (as far
as understood) is with vendors not releasing info about the
driver/engineering of the devices.
Resp. for Linux there isn't the manpower/money.
Some vendors don't support Linux, but are willing to help the community.
I had a correspondence with a vendor for audio cards, but I don't have
the needed abilities and people with the needed abilities, might not
have the time or hardware to do the work.
There are good howtos for writing drivers, but it's a lot you need to
know, resp. were needed it's a lot to learn.
Perhaps you've got the abilities or the willing and time to learn, if so
correspond with several vendors.
Sometimes open source is missing testers. I've got some hardware and
somebody has written a driver, but couldn't test all interfaces provided
by the hardware, because he doesn't has the gear to do it, so I'll test
it, because I've got the gear.
It does take longer for open source OS, than getting drivers for Apple
and Microsoft OS, but it's not a hopeless situation. At least we all
have a mobos, CPUs etc., that do work with Linux.
8:34 p.m.
Moshe,
Interesting cause on their website they claim it's
an open standard.
Theoretically, would it be possible to get perfect linux support for
interfaces that will be made according to this standard?
As with many Audio over IP-protocol suites, it is not only a matter of
software and OS support. Fun starts with hardware support for PtP and
audio interfaces with variable clocks. If you are looking for a cheap
solution to transfer audio data, you can use any technique. But if you
need realtime monitoring/audio producing, the demands are higher than
with a normal audio interface. At the moment :)
Because today the main problem with hardware support
for linux (as far
as understood) is with vendors not releasing info about the
driver/engineering of the devices.
Non sequitur. You have all interfaces running stable on linux with
products from at least two different manufacturers. If you want to get
your work done. nothing stands in your way.
With an open standard would this not be a thing of the
past?
All Audio over IP-protocols just *transport* audio data. Then what?
Flo
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Machines can do the work, so people have time to think.
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9:02 p.m.
I see.
I thought that Ravenna interfaces (e.g. the Horus from Mergings)would be
able to interact with a computer without any other audio interface,
and so if it would be open there would be no problem standing in the way
for Linux compatible drivers.
Too bad really as I was getting excited that in the near future there would
be no hardware limits for Linux users.
Non sequitur. You have all interfaces running stable on
linux with
products from at least two different manufacturers. If you want to get
your work done. nothing stands in your way.
I feel a bit different about this.
Yes I'm getting work done nicely, RME 9652 works like a charm.
But there is a certain bummer in not being able to choose from the variety
that's out there today. (Price, performance etc.)
Obviously my understanding of drivers is not so good, that's also the
reason I asked.
Thanks for the elaboration.
Best Regards
Moshe
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Florian Faber <faber(a)faberman.de> wrote:
Moshe,
Interesting cause on their website they claim
it's an open standard.
Theoretically, would it be possible to get perfect linux support for
interfaces that will be made according to this standard?
As with many Audio over IP-protocol suites, it is not only a matter of
software and OS support. Fun starts with hardware support for PtP and
audio interfaces with variable clocks. If you are looking for a cheap
solution to transfer audio data, you can use any technique. But if you
need realtime monitoring/audio producing, the demands are higher than
with a normal audio interface. At the moment :)
Because today the main problem with hardware
support for linux (as far
as understood) is with vendors not releasing info about the
driver/engineering of the devices.
Non sequitur. You have all interfaces running stable on linux with
products from at least two different manufacturers. If you want to get
your work done. nothing stands in your way.
With an open standard would this not be a thing
of the past?
All Audio over IP-protocols just *transport* audio data. Then what?
Flo
--
Machines can do the work, so people have time to think.
public key B3B9226C
9:32 p.m.
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 23:02 +0200, Moshe Werner wrote:
I see.
I thought that Ravenna interfaces (e.g. the Horus from Mergings)would
be able to interact with a computer without any other audio
interface,
and so if it would be open there would be no problem standing in the
way for Linux compatible drivers.
Too bad really as I was getting excited that in the near future there
would be no hardware limits for Linux users.
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From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com>
To: linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAU] Ravenna
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:56:57 +0100
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 21:50 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Non sequitur. You have all interfaces running
stable on linux with
products from at least two different manufacturers. If you want to
get
your work done. nothing stands in your way.
I feel a bit different about this.
Yes I'm getting work done nicely, RME 9652 works like a charm.
But there is a certain bummer in not being able to choose from the
variety that's out there today. (Price, performance etc.)
Obviously my understanding of drivers is not so good, that's also the
reason I asked. On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 21:34 +0100, Florian Faber
wrote:
In radio forums it's written that Barix, Audio TX should be not good?
I don't have knowledge about those technologies, but it sounds very
interesting. Is there more information available for Linux?
You have all interfaces running stable on linux
with
products from at least two different manufacturers.
What vendors? Audiotx? 
21 Dec
21 Dec
1:30 a.m.
On Thu, December 20, 2012 4:56 am, Moshe Werner wrote:
Have been reading about this lately.
Anyone knows what the state is regarding Linux audio and Ravenna?
http://ravenna.alcnetworx.com/technology/about-ravenna.html
Would be very interesting as it's open technology standard.
I looked at the web page... it looks rather pie in the sky-ish lots of
"will be" kinds of language. There are holding companies out there looking
for stuff to make money off of. Asking people for ideas that they then
patent and sell. It says open... but part of it will not be. Someone has
an idea, but no idea how to do it. They are hoping someone will do it for
them. Then they will market it and make money. Because it is to be open...
there is no need to pay the developer :)
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