11 Mar
2006
11 Mar
'06
5:11 p.m.
Hi gang, new to the list, please be gentle :)
I just installed DeMuDi, and to be honest, I'm a bit of a n00b so far
as music goes, other than being able to play bass and guitar (which,
in my opinion, don't expose the player to much of the musical world so
long as they can read guitar tab).
So anyway, I've been messing around with SpiralSynthModular a bit,
since I didn't like the constriction of sample-based synths, and I'm
basically having trouble stringing together a chain. Indeed, I feel
that I'm falling at the first stumbling block. I can get output from
SSM, but it's only a very loud, constant tone. I've got my midi input
hooked up to an oscillator (I think this is where my problem is) and
then my oscillator hooked up to my jack output.
I'm guessing that my problem is that I'm pumping midi data into
something designed for... something else? I dunno.
If someone could tell me which pieces do what, or point me in the
right direction, it'd be a great help :)
Sorry if this gets asked a lot or if I've missed something blindingly
obvious (like a manual ;) ).
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Joe Jones
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11 Mar
11 Mar
5:38 p.m.
Quoting Joseph Jones <bumpycarrot(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi gang, new to the list, please be gentle :)
I just installed DeMuDi, and to be honest, I'm a bit of a n00b so far
as music goes, other than being able to play bass and guitar (which,
in my opinion, don't expose the player to much of the musical world so
long as they can read guitar tab).
So anyway, I've been messing around with SpiralSynthModular a bit,
since I didn't like the constriction of sample-based synths, and I'm
basically having trouble stringing together a chain. Indeed, I feel
that I'm falling at the first stumbling block. I can get output from
SSM, but it's only a very loud, constant tone. I've got my midi input
hooked up to an oscillator (I think this is where my problem is) and
then my oscillator hooked up to my jack output.
I'm guessing that my problem is that I'm pumping midi data into
something designed for... something else? I dunno.
If someone could tell me which pieces do what, or point me in the
right direction, it'd be a great help :)
Sorry if this gets asked a lot or if I've missed something blindingly
obvious (like a manual ;) ).
--
Joe Jones
have you tried Om synth?
http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/
Ffrom the SSM page:
" Note: Sadly Spiral Modular is not under active development and hasn't
been for some time. I'm busy on other projects now, and ssm lives on as
the core of this. Otherwise, Om synth has a similar methodology to ssm,
but has a more modern design and is under active development."
--
http://www.egoboobits.net/HiramAbiff
7 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SpiralSynthModular help
On 3/12/06, Hiram Abiff <domain.admin(a)online.ie> wrote:
Quoting Joseph Jones <bumpycarrot(a)gmail.com>om>:
Om is great use it! ;-)
Loki
Hi gang, new to the list, please be gentle :)
I just installed DeMuDi, and to be honest, I'm a bit of a n00b so far
as music goes, other than being able to play bass and guitar (which,
in my opinion, don't expose the player to much of the musical world so
long as they can read guitar tab).
So anyway, I've been messing around with SpiralSynthModular a bit,
since I didn't like the constriction of sample-based synths, and I'm
basically having trouble stringing together a chain. Indeed, I feel
that I'm falling at the first stumbling block. I can get output from
SSM, but it's only a very loud, constant tone. I've got my midi input
hooked up to an oscillator (I think this is where my problem is) and
then my oscillator hooked up to my jack output.
I'm guessing that my problem is that I'm pumping midi data into
something designed for... something else? I dunno.
If someone could tell me which pieces do what, or point me in the
right direction, it'd be a great help :)
Sorry if this gets asked a lot or if I've missed something blindingly
obvious (like a manual ;) ).
--
Joe Jones
have you tried Om synth?
http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/
Ffrom the SSM page:
" Note: Sadly Spiral Modular is not under active development and hasn't
been for some time. I'm busy on other projects now, and ssm lives on as
the core of this. Otherwise, Om synth has a similar methodology to ssm,
but has a more modern design and is under active development."
--
http://www.egoboobits.net/HiramAbiff
12 Mar
12 Mar
4:36 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SpiralSynthModular help
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 11:00:04AM +1100, Loki Davison wrote:
On 3/12/06, Hiram Abiff <domain.admin(a)online.ie>
wrote:
this does not explain, what he needs to do, to get a non constant tone,
a "tone" consists of a frequency, and some dynamics such as attack and
release. you add these properties by multiplying the output of the
oscilator, with an adsr envelope.
/\___
/ \
a d s r
attack, decay, sustain, release
the sustain, is obviously controlled by how long you hold your key down,
so you will need to hook up the midi in to the adsr as well.
please ommers, point him to somewhere, where that is explained, a little
better...
Quoting Joseph Jones
<bumpycarrot(a)gmail.com>om>:
Om is great use it! ;-) Hi gang, new to the list, please be gentle :)
I just installed DeMuDi, and to be honest, I'm a bit of a n00b so far
as music goes, other than being able to play bass and guitar (which,
in my opinion, don't expose the player to much of the musical world so
long as they can read guitar tab).
So anyway, I've been messing around with SpiralSynthModular a bit,
since I didn't like the constriction of sample-based synths, and I'm
basically having trouble stringing together a chain. Indeed, I feel
that I'm falling at the first stumbling block. I can get output from
SSM, but it's only a very loud, constant tone. I've got my midi input
hooked up to an oscillator (I think this is where my problem is) and
then my oscillator hooked up to my jack output.
I'm guessing that my problem is that I'm pumping midi data into
something designed for... something else? I dunno.
If someone could tell me which pieces do what, or point me in the
right direction, it'd be a great help :)
Sorry if this gets asked a lot or if I've missed something blindingly
obvious (like a manual ;) ).
--
Joe Jones
have you tried Om synth?
http://www.nongnu.org/om-synth/
Ffrom the SSM page:
" Note: Sadly Spiral Modular is not under active development and hasn't
been for some time. I'm busy on other projects now, and ssm lives on as
the core of this. Otherwise, Om synth has a similar methodology to ssm,
but has a more modern design and is under active development."
--
http://www.egoboobits.net/HiramAbiff
Loki
--
torben Hohn
http://galan.sourceforge.net -- The graphical Audio language
6:27 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SpiralSynthModular help
this does not explain, what he needs to do, to get a non constant tone,
a "tone" consists of a frequency, and some dynamics such as attack and
release. you add these properties by multiplying the output of the
oscilator, with an adsr envelope.
/\___
/ \
a d s r
attack, decay, sustain, release
the sustain, is obviously controlled by how long you hold your key down,
so you will need to hook up the midi in to the adsr as well.
please ommers, point him to somewhere, where that is explained, a little
better...
Well, for a start open up the demo patches in om and the smack patches
if you want to do some percussive stuff. Look at the om wiki that
explains stuff quite nicely. http://atte.dk/om-wiki Then read synth
secrets online on the sound on sound website.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may99/articles/synthsec.htm
Really great stuff there and it will help you to understand the basic
of modular synthesis. That with the example patches should have you
creating nice stuff. Add to the wiki as well so someone can learn from
your mistakes too! ;-)
Loki
3:04 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SpiralSynthModular help
On 3/12/06, Loki Davison <loki.davison(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That's great! Thanks peeps. I was also looking at omsynth, but I've
been trying to avoid installing stuff not in the DeMuDi distro, as
that's always a slippery slide for me to apt-nightmares :) But it
looks like I'm gonna give it a try, if only so I've got some support
ie. the wiki.
The synth 101 stuff was pretty useful too :) Thanks.
Now, is anyone aware of an apt repo or deb package for omsynth? ;)
--
Joe Jones
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this does not explain, what he needs to do, to get a non constant tone,
a "tone" consists of a frequency, and some dynamics such as attack and
release. you add these properties by multiplying the output of the
oscilator, with an adsr envelope.
/\___
/ \
a d s r
attack, decay, sustain, release
the sustain, is obviously controlled by how long you hold your key down,
so you will need to hook up the midi in to the adsr as well.
please ommers, point him to somewhere, where that is explained, a little
better...
Well, for a start open up the demo patches in om and the smack patches
if you want to do some percussive stuff. Look at the om wiki that
explains stuff quite nicely. http://atte.dk/om-wiki Then read synth
secrets online on the sound on sound website.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may99/articles/synthsec.htm
Really great stuff there and it will help you to understand the basic
of modular synthesis. That with the example patches should have you
creating nice stuff. Add to the wiki as well so someone can learn from
your mistakes too! ;-)
Loki
3:37 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SpiralSynthModular help
On Sunday 12 March 2006 21:04, Joseph Jones wrote:
On 3/12/06, Loki Davison
<loki.davison(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That's great! Thanks peeps. I was also looking at omsynth, but I've
been trying to avoid installing stuff not in the DeMuDi distro, as
that's always a slippery slide for me to apt-nightmares :) But it
looks like I'm gonna give it a try, if only so I've got some support
ie. the wiki.
The synth 101 stuff was pretty useful too :) Thanks.
Now, is anyone aware of an apt repo or deb package for omsynth? ;)
Hi Joseph. http://willem.engens.nl/debian . there are instructions for the URL
to be added to /etc/apt/aources.list there. Nigel.
BTW. I got the DSSI stuff for my Sarge install from there.
this does
not explain, what he needs to do, to get a non constant tone,
a "tone" consists of a frequency, and some dynamics such as attack and
release. you add these properties by multiplying the output of the
oscilator, with an adsr envelope.
/\___
/ \
a d s r
attack, decay, sustain, release
the sustain, is obviously controlled by how long you hold your key
down, so you will need to hook up the midi in to the adsr as well.
please ommers, point him to somewhere, where that is explained, a
little better...
Well, for a start open up the demo patches in om and the smack patches
if you want to do some percussive stuff. Look at the om wiki that
explains stuff quite nicely. http://atte.dk/om-wiki Then read synth
secrets online on the sound on sound website.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may99/articles/synthsec.htm
Really great stuff there and it will help you to understand the basic
of modular synthesis. That with the example patches should have you
creating nice stuff. Add to the wiki as well so someone can learn from
your mistakes too! ;-)
Loki
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Joe Jones
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11:29 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SpiralSynthModular help
On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 21:37 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
On Sunday 12 March 2006 21:04, Joseph Jones wrote:
Link broken. :/
Do you (or anyone) know who did this? I would like to officially
package Om for Debian, but I have no idea how to roll a Debian package,
and little desire to learn the hard way :) (Apparently multi-program
packages and libraries are more complicated to package)
If it's already been done...
-DR-
Now, is anyone aware of an apt repo or deb
package for omsynth? ;)
Hi Joseph. http://willem.engens.nl/debian . there are instructions for the URL
to be added to /etc/apt/aources.list there. Nigel.
13 Mar
13 Mar
5:57 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SpiralSynthModular help
On 3/13/06, Dave Robillard <drobilla(a)connect.carleton.ca> wrote:
On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 21:37 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
Yeah, the correct link should be http://willem.engen.nl/debian/
Thanks to everyone who suggested Omsynth, I had my first simple synth
and a few bass pedals patched together in a few minutes.
--
Joe Jones
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On Sunday 12 March 2006 21:04, Joseph Jones
wrote:
Link broken. :/
Do you (or anyone) know who did this? I would like to officially
package Om for Debian, but I have no idea how to roll a Debian package,
and little desire to learn the hard way :) (Apparently multi-program
packages and libraries are more complicated to package)
If it's already been done...
-DR-
Now, is anyone aware of an apt repo or deb
package for omsynth? ;)
Hi Joseph. http://willem.engens.nl/debian . there are instructions for the URL
to be added to /etc/apt/aources.list there. Nigel.
9:05 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: SpiralSynthModular help
On Monday 13 March 2006 11:57, Joseph Jones wrote:
On 3/13/06, Dave Robillard
<drobilla(a)connect.carleton.ca> wrote:
Hi Joe. Glad that you've got Om working, and apologies for the error in the
link. Nigel.
On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 21:37 +0100, Nigel Henry
wrote:
Yeah, the correct link should be http://willem.engen.nl/debian/
Thanks to everyone who suggested Omsynth, I had my first simple synth
and a few bass pedals patched together in a few minutes.
--
Joe Jones On Sunday 12 March 2006 21:04, Joseph Jones
wrote:
Link broken. :/
Do you (or anyone) know who did this? I would like to officially
package Om for Debian, but I have no idea how to roll a Debian package,
and little desire to learn the hard way :) (Apparently multi-program
packages and libraries are more complicated to package)
If it's already been done...
-DR- Now, is anyone aware of an apt repo or deb
package for omsynth? ;)
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11 Mar
11 Mar
7:42 p.m.
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 22:11 +0000, Joseph Jones wrote:
So anyway, I've been messing around with
SpiralSynthModular a bit,
since I didn't like the constriction of sample-based synths, and I'm
basically having trouble stringing together a chain. Indeed, I feel
that I'm falling at the first stumbling block. I can get output from
SSM, but it's only a very loud, constant tone. I've got my midi input
hooked up to an oscillator (I think this is where my problem is) and
then my oscillator hooked up to my jack output.
I haven't used SSM much, but if you are getting sound you are probably
connecting at least something right. What outputs does the MIDI input
module have? Frequency and gate? If you just connect the frequency
output to the frequency input of the oscillator and nothing else, the
oscillator is probably going to generate sound at that frequency all the
time. To make it stop when you release the key you probably need to
connect the gate output of the MIDI input to the amplitude input of the
oscillator (or something similar, my SSM isn't working so I can't
check). To get a more natural sound you probably want to modulate the
oscillator gain with an envelope, and maybe filter it or use some other
effect that modifies the timbre (also modulated by an envelope).
Like Hiram and Loki I would like to recommend Om, but the principles of
modular synthesis are the same in (almost) all programs. If you learn
the basics in SSM you will probably not have any problems with Om or AMS
or Pd or other modular software (or even text-based modulars like Csound
and SuperCollider).
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