1 Dec
2010
1 Dec
'10
2:30 p.m.
Y-ellow All.
OK. need some help here. I regret to say that I'm not getting much
mileage out of AVlinux. I haven't felt quite like throwing a computer out
the window, since Turtle Beach first started making sound cards. Well, OK,
It's not quite that bad but it's certainly reminiscent. Ah them were the
days... However I think my days of experiments in computer aerodynamics are
behind me. :) I hope.
I'm not even quite sure what questions to ask at this point. There is so
much not working properly. It all seems quite hopeless. So ultimately; I
need to know if I am wasting my time or should I persist? Should I move on
and try a different distro? Though I actually like the distro it self.
The test bed is fairly simple...
2.8 gig P4
1 gig RAM
Hoontech DSP124 (Envy24) sound card.
Evolution MK249 USB keyboard.
The final system will be different to this but this will have to do as a
proof of concept. All of which appears to work in and of it self.
For the most part, software will either connect to MIDI or Audio but not
both. All except for that little drum machine thing. Hydrogen? I get sound
and MIDI but it Xruns and crashes regularly. I'm not so much worried about
the Xruns at this point. There are bigger issues. Linux sampler only works
as a Zynjacku plug in. Except that Zynjacku's MIDI comes up in the MIDI tab
of JACK. Everything else comes in under the ALSA tab. Which means there's
no way to connect to it. Or no obvious way.
Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use samples
as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as above, I can't
connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little keyboard
applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as well. To the
point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows lock themselves and
I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything after that. I guess I
could find the process and kill it. I can't see that being very helpful up
on stage in front of an audience though. And the last time it crashed, it
seems to have crashed permanently. Yoshimi will load and lock it self and
that's all.
Perhaps the recording apps work well. I don't know. I'm not set up to test
that. And this is not my current focus.
So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to try
another distro?
Thanks in advance.
Be absolutely icebox.
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1 Dec
1 Dec
3:03 p.m.
Hi Batz,
just a quick re:
On 12/01/2010 02:29 PM, Batz wrote:
Y-ellow All.
OK. need some help here. I regret to say that I'm not getting
much mileage out of AVlinux. I haven't felt quite like throwing a
computer out the window, since Turtle Beach first started making sound
cards. Well, OK, It's not quite that bad but it's certainly reminiscent.
Ah them were the days... However I think my days of experiments in
computer aerodynamics are behind me. :) I hope.
I'm not even quite sure what questions to ask at this point. There is so
much not working properly. It all seems quite hopeless. So ultimately; I
need to know if I am wasting my time or should I persist? Should I move
on and try a different distro? Though I actually like the distro it self.
The test bed is fairly simple...
2.8 gig P4
1 gig RAM
Hoontech DSP124 (Envy24) sound card.
Evolution MK249 USB keyboard.
The final system will be different to this but this will have to do as a
proof of concept. All of which appears to work in and of it self.
For the most part, software will either connect to MIDI or Audio but not
both. All except for that little drum machine thing. Hydrogen? I get
sound and MIDI but it Xruns and crashes regularly. I'm not so much
worried about the Xruns at this point. There are bigger issues. Linux
sampler only works as a Zynjacku plug in. Except that Zynjacku's MIDI
comes up in the MIDI tab of JACK. Everything else comes in under the
ALSA tab. Which means there's no way to connect to it. Or no obvious way.
run 'a2jmidi'
Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though
you can use
samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as
above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little
keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as
well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows
lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything
after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see
that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though. And
the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently. Yoshimi
will load and lock it self and that's all.
AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development and not ready for
prime-time, yet.
Perhaps the recording apps work well. I don't
know. I'm not set up to
test that. And this is not my current focus.
So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
try another distro?
Thanks in advance.
Be absolutely icebox.
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| _ \ / _` | __|___ | / \
| |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/
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4:08 p.m.
Y-ellow All.
And thanks for the help. Most appreciated.
However, now JACK won't start at all. And a2jmidi clocks up an error
message of it's own. With some difficulty, I have managed to capture those
error messages and paste them here. Typos are all mine...
JACK starts up with this....
----------------
creating alsa driver ... hw:1|hw:1|1024|2|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
control device hw:1
ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to
capture-only mode
cannot load driver module alsa
00:54:41.861 JACK was stopped successfully.
00:54:41.862 Post-shutdown script...
00:54:41.863 killall jackd
jackd: no process found
00:54:42.278 Post-shutdown script terminated with exit status=256.
----------------
And then a few seconds later, this error message pops up. And does so
repeatedly every 20 seconds or so.
----------------
00:54:43.855 Could not connect to JACK server as client. - Overall
operation failed. - Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages
window for more info.
----------------
a2jmidi on the other hand presents me with this error message.
----------------
Error a2j_jack_client_create: Cannot create jack client
Error a2j_start: a2j_new() failed.
----------------
The first part of this seems to be saying that ALSA failed to locate the
sound card?
Maybe I should just re-install the whole thing from scratch. The one thing
that WAS working reliably was the sound card it self. It would probably be
quicker than trying to figure out what has actually become broken. Though
on the other hand, perhaps I need to know if this is going to be an
on-going concern?
Can I be so foolish as to ask why there needs to be a `bridge' and `JACK'
to do this? Is there some greater philosophical mechanism at play here? Is
this some function of JACK also being able to connect to things like OSS
and what ever they use on Macs these days?
Anyway, Thanks guys. Much appreciated. Onward.
Thanks for the headsup on Yoshimi. It will be a nice little synth then at
some point. Hopefully soon.
Thanks again.
Be absolutely icebox.
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5:24 p.m.
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:
...
yes - yoshimi is experimental, though version 0.060.1 (the latest
"stable" one) runs well here, and it does not exhibit the locking
behaviour of some older versions.
For the older ones, 'killall -9 yoshimi' should remove the frozen windows.
best,
d
On 12/01/2010 02:29 PM, Batz wrote:
...
Yoshimi looked
really interesting. It looks as though you can use
samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as
above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little
keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as
well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows
lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything
after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see
that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though. And
the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently. Yoshimi
will load and lock it self and that's all.
AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development and not ready for
prime-time, yet.
2 Dec
2 Dec
9:05 a.m.
David Adler wrote:
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:
...
yes - yoshimi is experimental, though version 0.060.1 (the latest
"stable" one) runs well here, and it does not exhibit the locking
behaviour of some older versions.
Hmmm, I've never had Yoshimi lock. And I'm not up to version 0.060.1 yet!
I have had Zyn lock, though, especially when using latencies lower than
32ms on RT kernels.
--
David
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authenticity, honesty, community
On 12/01/2010 02:29 PM, Batz wrote:
...
Yoshimi
looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use
samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as
above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little
keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as
well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows
lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything
after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see
that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though. And
the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently. Yoshimi
will load and lock it self and that's all.
AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy
development and not ready for
prime-time, yet.
1 Dec
1 Dec
8:23 p.m.
On 02/12/10 01:03, Robin Gareus wrote:
Hi Batz,
just a quick re:
On 12/01/2010 02:29 PM, Batz wrote:
> [ .. ]
> Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use
> samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. [ ... ]
Nope, it can't do that! Well, yet ...
AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development and
not ready for
prime-time, yet.
Not entirely true. I'd consider 0.058.1 stable, and 0.060.1 is a minor advance
on that with no threats to that inherent stability. There's been a steady stream
of experimental versions, always tagged "-preX", so I suspect you're
assessment
is based on their reputation. Some of those experimentals have been erratic (to
put it kindly), not so 0.058.1/0.060.1.
cheers.
9:25 p.m.
On 12/01/2010 08:23 PM, cal wrote:
On 02/12/10 01:03, Robin Gareus wrote:
I second that. 0.58.1 runs very well here, several instances, instances
with multiple parts. PHASEX can use samples too, not sure if it could
use them as oscillators though.
Best,
Jeremy
Hi Batz,
just a quick re:
On 12/01/2010 02:29 PM, Batz wrote:
> [ .. ]
> Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use
> samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. [ ... ]
Nope, it can't do that! Well, yet ...
AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development
and not ready for
prime-time, yet.
Not entirely true. I'd consider 0.058.1 stable, and 0.060.1 is a minor
advance
on that with no threats to that inherent stability. There's been a
steady stream
of experimental versions, always tagged "-preX", so I suspect you're
assessment
is based on their reputation. Some of those experimentals have been
erratic (to
put it kindly), not so 0.058.1/0.060.1.
cheers.
2 Dec
2 Dec
9:01 a.m.
Robin Gareus wrote:
Works fine here. More cooperative with RT setups than Zyn is for me.
Yoshimi has command line options for specifying whether it uses ALSA or
JACK midi.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Yoshimi looked
really interesting. It looks as though you can use
samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as
above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little
keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as
well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows
lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything
after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see
that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though. And
the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently. Yoshimi
will load and lock it self and that's all.
AFAIK, Yoshimi is still under heavy development and not ready for
prime-time, yet. 
1 Dec
1 Dec
3:05 p.m.
Hi Batz,
2010/12/1 Batz <batzman-lau(a)all-electric.com>om>:
Y-ellow All.
OK. need some help here. I regret to say that I'm not getting much
mileage out of AVlinux. I haven't felt quite like throwing a computer out
the window, since Turtle Beach first started making sound cards. Well, OK,
It's not quite that bad but it's certainly reminiscent. Ah them were the
days... However I think my days of experiments in computer aerodynamics are
behind me. :) I hope.
I'm not even quite sure what questions to ask at this point. There is so
much not working properly. It all seems quite hopeless. So ultimately; I
need to know if I am wasting my time or should I persist? Should I move on
and try a different distro? Though I actually like the distro it self.
The test bed is fairly simple...
2.8 gig P4
1 gig RAM
Hoontech DSP124 (Envy24) sound card.
Evolution MK249 USB keyboard.
The final system will be different to this but this will have to do as a
proof of concept. All of which appears to work in and of it self.
For the most part, software will either connect to MIDI or Audio but not
both. All except for that little drum machine thing. Hydrogen? I get sound
and MIDI but it Xruns and crashes regularly. I'm not so much worried about
the Xruns at this point. There are bigger issues. Linux sampler only works
as a Zynjacku plug in. Except that Zynjacku's MIDI comes up in the MIDI tab
of JACK. Everything else comes in under the ALSA tab. Which means there's no
way to connect to it. Or no obvious way.
This is where I can help you now:
make sure that you select in jack setup (using qjackctl for example)
the MIDI Driver as "seq"
You can use also a2jmidid (http://home.gna.org/a2jmidid/) in order to
expose the ALSA Midi ports in JACK
good luck and dont give up
Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though
you can use samples as
oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as above, I can't
connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little keyboard applet/window,
it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as well. To the point of
requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows lock themselves and I can't
kill them. And JACK won't connect anything after that. I guess I could find
the process and kill it. I can't see that being very helpful up on stage in
front of an audience though. And the last time it crashed, it seems to have
crashed permanently. Yoshimi will load and lock it self and that's all.
Perhaps the recording apps work well. I don't know. I'm not set up to test
that. And this is not my current focus.
So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to try
another distro?
Thanks in advance.
Be absolutely icebox.
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| |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/
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3:20 p.m.
more information about JACK and ALSA MIDI here:
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/faq/start#qwhat_is_the_difference_between_jack-m…
2010/12/1 diego simak <diego.simak(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hi Batz,
2010/12/1 Batz <batzman-lau(a)all-electric.com>om>:
more information about JACK and ALSA MIDI here:
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/faq/start#qwhat_is_the_difference_between_jack-m…
Y-ellow All.
OK. need some help here. I regret to say that I'm not getting much
mileage out of AVlinux. I haven't felt quite like throwing a computer out
the window, since Turtle Beach first started making sound cards. Well, OK,
It's not quite that bad but it's certainly reminiscent. Ah them were the
days... However I think my days of experiments in computer aerodynamics are
behind me. :) I hope.
I'm not even quite sure what questions to ask at this point. There is so
much not working properly. It all seems quite hopeless. So ultimately; I
need to know if I am wasting my time or should I persist? Should I move on
and try a different distro? Though I actually like the distro it self.
The test bed is fairly simple...
2.8 gig P4
1 gig RAM
Hoontech DSP124 (Envy24) sound card.
Evolution MK249 USB keyboard.
The final system will be different to this but this will have to do as a
proof of concept. All of which appears to work in and of it self.
For the most part, software will either connect to MIDI or Audio but not
both. All except for that little drum machine thing. Hydrogen? I get sound
and MIDI but it Xruns and crashes regularly. I'm not so much worried about
the Xruns at this point. There are bigger issues. Linux sampler only works
as a Zynjacku plug in. Except that Zynjacku's MIDI comes up in the MIDI tab
of JACK. Everything else comes in under the ALSA tab. Which means there's no
way to connect to it. Or no obvious way.
This is where I can help you now:
make sure that you select in jack setup (using qjackctl for example)
the MIDI Driver as "seq"
You can use also a2jmidid (http://home.gna.org/a2jmidid/) in order to
expose the ALSA Midi ports in JACK
good luck and dont give up
Yoshimi looked
really interesting. It looks as though you can use samples as
oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as above, I can't
connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little keyboard applet/window,
it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as well. To the point of
requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows lock themselves and I can't
kill them. And JACK won't connect anything after that. I guess I could find
the process and kill it. I can't see that being very helpful up on stage in
front of an audience though. And the last time it crashed, it seems to have
crashed permanently. Yoshimi will load and lock it self and that's all.
Perhaps the recording apps work well. I don't know. I'm not set up to test
that. And this is not my current focus.
So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to try
another distro?
Thanks in advance.
Be absolutely icebox.
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| |_) | (_| | |_ / / \_.-*_/
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2 Dec
10:55 a.m.
Excerpts from diego simak's message of 2010-12-01 15:19:49 +0100:
more information about JACK and ALSA MIDI here:
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/faq/start#qwhat_is_the_difference_between_jack-m…
Another one, hopefully helpful:
http://murks.lima-city.de/serendipity/index.php?/archives/7-ALSA-and-JACK-M…
The whole blog might vanish from that host anytime, so better don't
bookmark it.
11:58 a.m.
Thanks for posting it Phillip
cheers!
Diego
2010/12/2 Philipp Überbacher <hollunder(a)lavabit.com>om>:
Excerpts from diego simak's message of 2010-12-01
15:19:49 +0100:
more information about JACK and ALSA MIDI here:
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/faq/start#qwhat_is_the_difference_between_jack-m…
Another one, hopefully helpful:
http://murks.lima-city.de/serendipity/index.php?/archives/7-ALSA-and-JACK-M…
The whole blog might vanish from that host anytime, so better don't
bookmark it.
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3:24 p.m.
Hi,
Batz wrote:
Y-ellow All.
OK. need some help here. I regret to say that I'm not getting
much mileage out of AVlinux. I haven't felt quite like throwing a
computer out the window, since Turtle Beach first started making sound
cards. Well, OK, It's not quite that bad but it's certainly
reminiscent. Ah them were the days... However I think my days of
experiments in computer aerodynamics are behind me. :) I hope.
I'm not even quite sure what questions to ask at this point. There is
so much not working properly. It all seems quite hopeless. So
ultimately; I need to know if I am wasting my time or should I
persist? Should I move on and try a different distro? Though I
actually like the distro it self.
The test bed is fairly simple...
2.8 gig P4
1 gig RAM
Hoontech DSP124 (Envy24) sound card.
Evolution MK249 USB keyboard.
The final system will be different to this but this will have to do as
a proof of concept. All of which appears to work in and of it self.
For the most part, software will either connect to MIDI or Audio but
not both. All except for that little drum machine thing. Hydrogen? I
get sound and MIDI but it Xruns and crashes regularly. I'm not so much
worried about the Xruns at this point. There are bigger issues. Linux
sampler only works as a Zynjacku plug in. Except that Zynjacku's MIDI
comes up in the MIDI tab of JACK. Everything else comes in under the
ALSA tab. Which means there's no way to connect to it. Or no obvious way.
Yoshimi looked really interesting. It looks as though you can use
samples as oscillators which could be what I'm after. Except that as
above, I can't connect MIDI into it. And even when using the little
keyboard applet/window, it crashes a lot. Usually it takes JACK out as
well. To the point of requiring a reboot. Because the frozen windows
lock themselves and I can't kill them. And JACK won't connect anything
after that. I guess I could find the process and kill it. I can't see
that being very helpful up on stage in front of an audience though.
And the last time it crashed, it seems to have crashed permanently.
Yoshimi will load and lock it self and that's all.
Perhaps the recording apps work well. I don't know. I'm not set up to
test that. And this is not my current focus.
So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd
be over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on
to try another distro?
Thanks in advance.
I don't known the distribution you mention but... for some
of the things
you talk of (like using samples as oscillators) did you have a look at
Pure Data? You can easily connect midi and audio do very creative/exotic
stuff. I'm sure if you're a 'hardware guy' (if I understand correctly)
patching should be fun.
Just 2 euro-cents,
Lorenzo
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Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
Y-ellow All.
[snip]
So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
try another distro?
All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
last steps in the life of 64Studio....
I am about to download it anyway now and will report, if I have the same
trouble...
best regs
hzn
Thanks in advance.
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9:52 a.m.
Y-ellow Hartmut 'n' all.
At 09:40 AM 12/2/2010 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote:
[snip]
All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
last steps in the life of 64Studio....
I am about to download it anyway now and will report, if I have the same
trouble...
Thanks for that confirmation. I thought surely this couldn't just be me.
It's now pretty much fallen into an unusable heap. The entire OS crashes
for no apparent reason and I have to resort to a hard restart. I'll try a
different distro.
Thanks again.
Be absolutely icebox.
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10:59 a.m.
Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100:
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Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
64studio is dead?
Sounds like ubuntu is a real killer distro :)
Y-ellow All.
[snip]
So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
try another distro?
All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
last steps in the life of 64Studio....
12:44 p.m.
Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of
2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100:
Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me....
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Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
64studio is dead? Y-ellow All.
[snip]
So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
try another distro?
All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
last steps in the life of 64Studio.... Sounds like ubuntu is a real killer distro :)
Ubuntu has its merits and if is a very okayish desktop-distro. But for
serius audio-use ....
best regs and no offence ment
HZN/berlin
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1:37 p.m.
Am 02.12.2010 12:52, schrieb Jeremy Jongepier:
On 12/02/2010 12:44 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
I use it on a daily basis on my laptop too. And I can run all recent
audio-apps including ardour3, CALF-SVN and so on. But the performance is
OK, not top-notch.
On my production-machine the differnce is less prominent but still clear
to see. I can run OpenSuse with jengelh-Kernel perfectly stable at 5.33
ms Latency and heavy load. Ubuntu Studio never allowed this without many
xruns, not even at 10ms it runs the same as flawless as OpenSuse/jengelh
or Fedora/CCRMA do.
But again: I do not mean any offence. Ubuntu has other virtues and its
audio-performance is OK/perfectly usable and the packages in its repos
are excellent.
But for
serius audio-use ....
...It suits me very well.
Best,
Jeremy
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3:46 p.m.
On 12/02/2010 01:37 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
But again: I do not mean any offence. Ubuntu has other
virtues and its
audio-performance is OK/perfectly usable and the packages in its repos
are excellent.
One of these other virtues is that it is a quite ordinary Linux
distribution that is just as tweakable as any other ordinary Linux
distribution. I'm not offended but I just feel I have to try to refute
the point of view that Ubuntu couldn't be used in a pro-audio
environement. That is simply not true.
Best,
Jeremy
6:36 p.m.
Em quinta-feira 02 dezembro 2010, às 12:46:28, Jeremy Jongepier escreveu:
On 12/02/2010 01:37 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
sure, you can instal ubuntu-minimal and make your own "distro"
i did that and it was fine.
you gotta choose the distro the packaging you like/serves you the most.
that's why i switched to Arch, not because ubuntu doesn't work
But again: I do not mean any offence. Ubuntu has
other virtues and its
audio-performance is OK/perfectly usable and the packages in its repos
are excellent.
One of these other virtues is that it is a quite ordinary Linux
distribution that is just as tweakable as any other ordinary Linux
distribution. I'm not offended but I just feel I have to try to refute
the point of view that Ubuntu couldn't be used in a pro-audio
environement. That is simply not true.
Best,
Jeremy
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1:13 p.m.
On 2010-12-02 12:44, Hartmut Noack wrote:
Ubuntu has its merits and if is a very okayish
desktop-distro. But for
serius audio-use ....
I consider myself serious and I'm quite happy with ubuntu...
--
Atte
http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk
3:17 p.m.
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100
Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
I've been waiting for an update on this too :(
However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a
minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages
I want.
If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it.
--
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http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of
2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100:
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Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
64studio is dead? Y-ellow All.
[snip]
So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
try another distro?
All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
last steps in the life of 64Studio.... 
3:26 p.m.
However, the good news is that I've found I get
very reasonable results using a
minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages
I want.
If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it.
If it cost you not to much time... it's always interesting to see how
others make their Linuxaudio desktop environment.
\r
4:20 p.m.
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Folderol wrote:
I've been waiting for an update on this too :(
I think this is about as close as you'll get an official
announcement:
http://lists.64studio.com/pipermail/64studio-devel/2010-July/006880.html
-gabriel
64studio is dead?
Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me.... 
4:34 p.m.
Hi Gabriel,
I think this is about as close as you'll get an
official announcement:
http://lists.64studio.com/pipermail/64studio-devel/2010-July/006880.html
For commercial reasons, I had to be a little cryptic there. There will
be an announcement in mid-January which I think will make everything clear.
Cheers!
Daniel
6:31 p.m.
Am 02.12.2010 16:20, schrieb Gabriel M. Beddingfield:
On Thu, 2 Dec 2010, Folderol wrote:
I've been waiting for an update on this too :(
I think this is about as close as you'll get an official announcement:
http://lists.64studio.com/pipermail/64studio-devel/2010-July/006880.html
Very interesting info, thanks a lot :-)
HZN/berlin
64studio is dead?
Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me....
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6:19 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I
made as I installed it.
I would be very interested in seeing that as well!
--
Josh Lawrence
"Highly esteem the Old, but take also a warm interest in the New. Be
not prejudiced against names unknown to you."
~Robert Schumann
9:03 p.m.
Folderol a écrit :
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100
Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to
stable !
Thanks in advance,
Fred
Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
I've been waiting for an update on this too :(
However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a
minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages
I want.
If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it.
Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of
2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100:
Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me....
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Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
> Y-ellow All.
>
[snip]
> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
> try another distro?
>
All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
last steps in the life of 64Studio....
64studio is dead?
9:13 p.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
On 12/02/2010 09:03 PM, fred wrote:
Folderol a écrit :
By the way, they seems to be busy with a Multimedia blend for Debian.
They can use some help and support afaik. You're welcome.
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia
\r
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100
Hartmut Noack<zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to
stable ! Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
I've been waiting for an update on this too :(
However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a
minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages
I want.
If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it.
Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of
2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
>
>> Y-ellow All.
>>
> [snip]
>
>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
>> try another distro?
>>
> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
> last steps in the life of 64Studio....
>
64studio is dead?
Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me....
9:19 p.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
On 12/02/2010 09:13 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 12/02/2010 09:03 PM, fred wrote:
Yes, 'all' multimedia and proaudio packages in Debian and almost all in
Ubuntu are packaged by the Debian Multimedia Team! Also people who have
Ubuntu as main distro, work for that team, cause when it's in Debian
it's deadly simple and fast to get it in the Ubuntu repo's to. So
multimedia (PPA) packagers, join the team and help improve Debian |
Ubuntu | Linux for proaudio (and backport it to your famous PPA if you
like). :)
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia
Kind regards,
\r
(More info about Debian blends http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends)
More info http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends
Folderol a écrit :
By the way, they seems to be busy with a Multimedia blend for Debian.
They can use some help and support afaik. You're welcome.
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100
Hartmut Noack<zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to
stable ! Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100:
>
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>>
>> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
>>
>>> Y-ellow All.
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
>>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
>>> try another distro?
>>>
>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
>> last steps in the life of 64Studio....
>>
> 64studio is dead?
>
Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me....
I've been waiting for an update on this too :(
However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a
minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages
I want.
If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it.
3 Dec
3 Dec
10:47 a.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
On 12/02/2010 09:13 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 12/02/2010 09:03 PM, fred wrote:
On 12/02/2010 09:49 PM, Folderol wrote:
Folderol a écrit :
By the way, they seems to be busy with a Multimedia blend for Debian.
They can use some help and support afaik. You're welcome.
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100
Hartmut Noack<zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to
stable ! Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
>>
>>> Y-ellow All.
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
>>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
>>> try another distro?
>>>
>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
>> last steps in the life of 64Studio....
>>
> 64studio is dead?
>
Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me....
I've been waiting for an update on this too :(
However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a
minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages
I want.
If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it.
automake
build-essential
cmake
cmake-curses
dssi-dev
fluid
git-all
libasound2-dev
libfftw3-dev
libjack-dev
liblircclient-dev
liblo-dev
liblrdf0-dev
libmxml-dev
libqt4-dev
libsamplerate0-dev
libsndfile1-dev
libxml++2.6-dev
subversion
xutils-dev
zlib1g-dev
Hmm this is an interesting list... With these packages you can build
all/ most of the proaudio packages?
Regards,
\r
11:28 a.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 10:47:23 +0100
"rosea.grammostola" <rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 12/02/2010 09:13 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
I think it certainly covers most stuff - it also covers most non-audio
programs. I've used this list for fetching and compiling all of the following
(at various times) when I've wanted to try newer versions:
Audacity
Audacious
Hydrogen
Lame
Rosegarden
Yoshimi -> now also needs libboost.dev
ZynAddSubFX
@allcoms
You make some very good points, however don't forget this is just the crib
sheet for producing my preferred setup.
I've tried Thunar but just don't like it. Also ROX is closest to my Risc Os
roots :)
I'd forgotten to include alsactl store - certainly used it!
Didn't know about apt-get build-dep ardour. I'm all for reducing lists of
install libraries!
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
On 12/02/2010 09:03 PM, fred wrote:
On 12/02/2010 09:49 PM, Folderol wrote:
Folderol a écrit :
By the way, they seems to be busy with a Multimedia blend for Debian.
They can use some help and support afaik. You're welcome.
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/BitsFrom
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100
Hartmut Noack<zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
> Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
>
>> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100:
>>
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>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
>>>
>>>> Y-ellow All.
>>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd
be
>>>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
>>>> try another distro?
>>>>
>>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
>>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
>>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
>>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
>>> last steps in the life of 64Studio....
>>>
>> 64studio is dead?
>>
> Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me....
>
>
I've been waiting for an update on this too :(
However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a
minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages
I want.
If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it.
Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to
stable ! automake
build-essential
cmake
cmake-curses
dssi-dev
fluid
git-all
libasound2-dev
libfftw3-dev
libjack-dev
liblircclient-dev
liblo-dev
liblrdf0-dev
libmxml-dev
libqt4-dev
libsamplerate0-dev
libsndfile1-dev
libxml++2.6-dev
subversion
xutils-dev
zlib1g-dev
Hmm this is an interesting list... With these packages you can build
all/ most of the proaudio packages?
Regards,
\r 
11:54 a.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
@allcoms
You make some very good points, however don't forget this is just the crib
sheet for producing my preferred setup.
Yep, hence why didn't focus too heavily on your choice of apps
I've tried Thunar but just don't like it. Also ROX is closest to my Risc Os
roots :)
Ah! You're ex-RISCOS? All is forgiven/ explained then. I'm not
entirely sure Archimedes and RISCOS machines were available outside
blighty but they were quite cool for school at the time. I know the
Amiga was big all over Europe (well, UK and Germany at least) but i
suspect the Archy flopped outside UK schools due to lack of good
games. ARM went onto become a raging success of course and I think
they turned 20 recently.
I'd forgotten to include alsactl store - certainly used it!
Didn't know about apt-get build-dep ardour. I'm all for reducing lists of
install libraries!
That command is the Holy Grail of timesaving for Debuntu-using, Linux
audio addicts seeing as I doubt any other audio app can compete for
number of deps and most people on here will use or want to compile
Ardour at some time. Underhand compliment or what? :)
Dan, please!
--
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6 Dec
11:56 a.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
On 12/03/2010 08:54 PM, allcoms wrote:
Ah! You're ex-RISCOS? All is forgiven/ explained
then. I'm not
entirely sure Archimedes and RISCOS machines were available outside
blighty but they were quite cool for school at the time.
They were certainly used in a number of Australian schools, as were BBC
micros before them.
I still call `!' `pling'...
1:09 p.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 08:56:01PM +1000, M Watts wrote:
I still call `!' `pling'...
I'm still missing the extremely handy RiscOS feature that right-click
on a menu allowed to make a selection without closing the menu. Such
a thing in GTK would have me saved hours of re-opening nested menus
in Ardour.
Ciao,
--
FA
There are three of them, and Alleline.
5:47 p.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-12-06 13:09:42 +0100:
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 08:56:01PM +1000, M Watts
wrote:
I'm wishing for that as well all the time. I wonder who came up with the
idea that there's only ever one thing you want to do in a menu. Didn't
know anyone was clever enough to implement something as complex as
"don't close menu if right-clicked" or "don't close if modifier is
pressed when menu-item is clicked".
It's one of those obvious user interface doh's.
I still call `!' `pling'...
I'm still missing the extremely handy RiscOS feature that right-click
on a menu allowed to make a selection without closing the menu. Such
a thing in GTK would have me saved hours of re-opening nested menus
in Ardour.
Ciao,
10 p.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 05:47:56PM +0100, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-12-06
13:09:42 +0100:
Could be a 'religiuous' aka 'UI standards' thing: 'You Shall
Not Abuse a Menu to Be a Dialog' (unless you don't mind your
offspring to be cursed for the next 10 generations).
Ciao,
--
FA
There are three of them, and Alleline.
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 08:56:01PM +1000, M Watts
wrote:
I'm wishing for that as well all the time. I wonder who came up with the
idea that there's only ever one thing you want to do in a menu. Didn't
know anyone was clever enough to implement something as complex as
"don't close menu if right-clicked" or "don't close if modifier
is
pressed when menu-item is clicked". I still call `!' `pling'...
I'm still missing the extremely handy RiscOS feature that right-click
on a menu allowed to make a selection without closing the menu. Such
a thing in GTK would have me saved hours of re-opening nested menus
in Ardour.
Ciao, 
11:50 p.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:00 PM, <fons(a)kokkinizita.net> wrote:
Could be a 'religiuous' aka 'UI
standards' thing: 'You Shall
Not Abuse a Menu to Be a Dialog' (unless you don't mind your
offspring to be cursed for the next 10 generations).
i opened the debate on gtk-devel, and that was one perspective, though
from a not particularly core or central GTK developer.
a couple of other people were more supportive of the idea.
--p
7 Dec
7 Dec
12:12 a.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 05:50:25PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:00 PM,
<fons(a)kokkinizita.net> wrote:
surprise, surprise...
Could be a 'religiuous' aka 'UI
standards' thing: 'You Shall
Not Abuse a Menu to Be a Dialog' (unless you don't mind your
offspring to be cursed for the next 10 generations).
i opened the debate on gtk-devel, and that was one perspective, though
from a not particularly core or central GTK developer.
a couple of other people were more supportive of the idea.
To me it looks like an effective way to avoid RSI...
The alternative (for Ardour) would be to recode some of the menus
as dialogs. In RiscOS you could use a dialog box as a submenu as
well - it would just open at the right place and if you didn't
click in it go away when moving out, in the same way as a submenu
would. So with one click and few gestures you could have access to
any number of dialogs. Very productive.
Ciao,
--
FA
There are three of them, and Alleline.
8 Dec
8 Dec
7:13 p.m.
New subject: Multimedia production on Debian (was Re: No joy with AVlinux)
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 00:12:36 +0100
fons(a)kokkinizita.net wrote:
<snip>
The alternative (for Ardour) would be to recode some
of the menus
as dialogs. In RiscOS you could use a dialog box as a submenu as
well - it would just open at the right place and if you didn't
click in it go away when moving out, in the same way as a submenu
would. So with one click and few gestures you could have access to
any number of dialogs. Very productive.
Ciao,
There are a lot of such wrinkles I miss, that RiscOs had :(
Without a doubt the most productive GUI I've ever worked with.
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
2 Dec
2 Dec
9:49 p.m.
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 21:03:06 +0100
fred <f.rech(a)yahoo.fr> wrote:
Folderol a écrit :
Wow!, I wasn't expecting that much interest. OK here it is:
install from disk and unmark 'desktop' and 'standard'
log in as root
using apt-get-install
xorg
synaptic pulls in sudo and a lot of useful base level stuff
python-dbus
openbox
obconf
rox-filer
in /etc/sudoers add line:
{username} ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/synaptic, /sbin/halt, /sbin/reboot
run startx, xterm, rox, obconf to create default files
create ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh with:
rox -S &
using apt-get-install
mingetty
in /etc/inittab change:
respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
to:
respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin {username} --noclear
tty1
add to end of /home/{username}/.bash_profile
startx
use iceweasel to fetch the following rox apps
rox-lib2
tar xvjf rox-lib2*
as root move contents to /usr/local/lib/
archive
tar xvjf archive*
can now use archive to unpack others
rox-Clib_xxx
move as /usr/lib/ROX-CLib
traylib
rename to just TrayLib and as root move to /usr/local/lib/
devtray so we can use usb sticks in ROX
from the desktop install:
libusb-1.0-0
inkscape
k3b
kcalc
kchars
krename
kwrite
gftp
gimp
gkrellm
gnome-system-monitor
gparted
for audio
install the following: enable audio when asked
qjackctl pulls in a lot!
alsamixergui
alsaplayer-jack
alsa-utils
ardour
audacious
audacity
easytag
hydrogen
jack-rack
jamin
japa
lillypond
meterbridge
qsynth
rakarrack
timemachine
vkeybd
vorbis-tools
as root
alsactl init (ignore errors)
reboot and use alsamixer to bring up levels (will be silent otherwise)
temporarily add the following to repositories:
deb cdrom:[64studio 3.3-alpha2 (1)]/ karmic main
deb http://apt.64studio.com/backports/ hardy-backports main
ignore errors
install multimedia kernel 2.6.29
disable these repositories but keep then 'just in case'
reboot and select new kernel
check for RT kernel with uname -a
should include PREEMP and RT
edit /etc/default/grub
change
GRUB_DEFAULT=0
to
GRUB_DEFAULT={number of wanted menu item as default, counting from 0}
run 'update-grub'
for compiling music progs:
automake
build-essential
cmake
cmake-curses
dssi-dev
fluid
git-all
libasound2-dev
libfftw3-dev
libjack-dev
liblircclient-dev
liblo-dev
liblrdf0-dev
libmxml-dev
libqt4-dev
libsamplerate0-dev
libsndfile1-dev
libxml++2.6-dev
subversion
xutils-dev
zlib1g-dev
compile and standard install lame
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100
Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to
stable !
Thanks in advance,
Fred
Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
I've been waiting for an update on this too :(
However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a
minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages
I want.
If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it.
Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of
2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
>
>> Y-ellow All.
>>
> [snip]
>
>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
>> try another distro?
>>
> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
> last steps in the life of 64Studio....
>
64studio is dead?
Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me....
11:18 p.m.
Hi Folderol and list!
I think your debian LA config crib sheet should've been a new thread
as I can see this spawning a lot of debate and tweaks. When I'm
feeling better I may modify yours to how I do it but as for now I'll
just address a couple of standout points:
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 21:03:06 +0100
fred <f.rech(a)yahoo.fr> wrote:
Rox filer? Not for me squire. When it was a gtk1 app it was lightning
fast but then when it switched to gtk2 it lost all appear for me. No
RMB on file to copy (ie having to open the target dir in a new window)
is a bit of a bind. Thunar FTW! ;)
Folderol a écrit :
Wow!, I wasn't expecting that much interest. OK here it is:
install from disk and unmark 'desktop' and 'standard'
log in as root
using apt-get-install
xorg
synaptic pulls in sudo and a lot of useful base level stuff
python-dbus
openbox
obconf
rox-filer On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 12:44:20 +0100
Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
Please post it Folderol, it could be really nice when Squeeze goes to
stable !
Thanks in advance,
Fred
Am 02.12.2010 10:59, schrieb Philipp Überbacher:
> Excerpts from Hartmut Noack's message of 2010-12-02 09:40:47 +0100:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Am 01.12.2010 14:29, schrieb Batz:
>>
>>> Y-ellow All.
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> So anyway, if any of this sound familiar and is easily fixed then I'd be
>>> over the moon to hear about it. Or alternatively, should I move on to
>>> try another distro?
>>>
>> All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
>> AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
>> Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
>> switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
>> last steps in the life of 64Studio....
>>
> 64studio is dead?
>
Not officially dead yet, but smelling quite funny to me....
I've been waiting for an update on this too :(
However, the good news is that I've found I get very reasonable results using a
minimal debian squeeze then pulling in a rt kernel and just the audio packages
I want.
If anyone is interested I can post the crib sheet I made as I installed it.
in /etc/sudoers add line:
{username} ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/synaptic, /sbin/halt, /sbin/reboot
run startx, xterm, rox, obconf to create default files
create ~/.config/openbox/autostart.sh with:
rox -S &
using apt-get-install
mingetty
in /etc/inittab change:
respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
to:
respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin {username} --noclear
tty1
add to end of /home/{username}/.bash_profile
startx
use iceweasel to fetch the following rox apps
rox-lib2
tar xvjf rox-lib2*
as root move contents to /usr/local/lib/
archive
tar xvjf archive*
can now use archive to unpack others
rox-Clib_xxx
move as /usr/lib/ROX-CLib
traylib
rename to just TrayLib and as root move to /usr/local/lib/
devtray so we can use usb sticks in ROX
All that can be dropped if the user forgoes rox of course.
from the desktop install:
libusb-1.0-0
inkscape
k3b
kcalc
kchars
krename
kwrite
gftp
gimp
gkrellm
gnome-system-monitor
gparted
You seem to be aiming for lightweight here. Unless you need its
advanced features I'd use mtpaint instead of gimp. I use filezilla
instead of gftp for GUI ssh/ftp coz its cross platform.
for audio
install the following: enable audio when asked
qjackctl pulls in a lot!
alsamixergui
alsaplayer-jack
alsa-utils
ardour
audacious
audacity
easytag
hydrogen
jack-rack
jamin
japa
lillypond
meterbridge
qsynth
rakarrack
timemachine
vkeybd
vorbis-tools
Could add many many more to this list but I suspect most here know
what apps they want.
as root
alsactl init (ignore errors)
reboot and use alsamixer to bring up levels (will be silent otherwise)
Then
alsactl store 0 (or whatever its alsa device number is)
temporarily add the following to repositories:
deb cdrom:[64studio 3.3-alpha2 (1)]/ karmic main
Don't think you meant to include this first line- most won't have the
64studio CD/DVD
deb http://apt.64studio.com/backports/
hardy-backports main
ignore errors
install multimedia kernel 2.6.29
disable these repositories but keep then 'just in case'
reboot and select new kernel
check for RT kernel with uname -a
should include PREEMP and RT
edit /etc/default/grub
change
GRUB_DEFAULT=0
to
GRUB_DEFAULT={number of wanted menu item as default, counting from 0}
run 'update-grub'
for compiling music progs:
automake
build-essential
cmake
cmake-curses
dssi-dev
fluid
git-all
libasound2-dev
libfftw3-dev
libjack-dev
liblircclient-dev
liblo-dev
liblrdf0-dev
libmxml-dev
libqt4-dev
libsamplerate0-dev
libsndfile1-dev
libxml++2.6-dev
subversion
xutils-dev
zlib1g-dev
You can vastly reduce the amount of dev packages you list here with a simple
apt-get build-dep ardour
Which will get most of the dev packages a LAU would want in one shot
(but not autoconf and subversion/ git to name a few notable
exceptions)
HTH?
Dan
compile and standard install lame
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
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3 Dec
4:55 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
add to end of /home/{username}/.bash_profile
startx
Instead of a blind "startx", you may find it handy to make your
.bash_profile a little smarter... i.e., here's what I use (on Arch):
if [[ "$DISPLAY" = "" ]] && [[ "$(tty)" =
"/dev/tty1" ]]; then
startx &> .xsession-log
logout
fi
This way, you can log into another virtual terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F2 for
example) and do some debugging in the background. Or it's handy if
you don't feel like firing up X at all.
-sean
5 Dec
5 Dec
9:33 p.m.
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:55:54 -0500
Sean Corbett <seanbutnotheard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Folderol
<folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
Sounds good to me. I'll give it a try :)
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
add to end of /home/{username}/.bash_profile
startx
Instead of a blind "startx", you may find it handy to make your
.bash_profile a little smarter... i.e., here's what I use (on Arch):
if [[ "$DISPLAY" = "" ]] && [[ "$(tty)" =
"/dev/tty1" ]]; then
startx &> .xsession-log
logout
fi
This way, you can log into another virtual terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F2 for
example) and do some debugging in the background. Or it's handy if
you don't feel like firing up X at all.
-sean 
2 Dec
2 Dec
4:01 p.m.
For the "ubuntu-like" "pro-audio" experience, try Pure::Dyne.
Installable
liveCD available.
Running it as my main machine here, perfectly running exept for
suspend/resume (-rt kernel)...
But I can live with that :-)
Cheers, -Harry
6:14 p.m.
On 2 December 2010 09:40, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin(a)linuxuse.de> wrote:
All I can say: a friend of mine here in Germ, who was heavily advocating
AVLinux last year, is now explicitly warning users NOT to use AVLinux 4.1.
Bad RT-Performance and other smaller issues he reports. Seems, AVL has
switched from Debian to Ubuntu. The very same step, that was one of the
last steps in the life of 64Studio....
From AVLinux website:
"...It ( AVLinux 4.1)
was created using the upcoming Debian GNU/Linux
'Squeeze' 6.0".
As far as I know, AVLinux has been using Debian testing since version
2.0, which dates back to 2007. While the former versions did use
Ubuntu, this introduced package instability at some point, which
motivated the move to Debian.
The maintainer has strong views about how reliable an audio-production
should be, and values system stability above anything else ; he
explains it better than me here:
http://www.remastersys.com/forums/index.php?topic=240.0
AVLinux works extremely well here, and is the first distro which has
allowed me to make more music than system maintenance; your mileage
may vary, of course.
The above forum is quite active and helpful, by the way; maybe the OP
could get some tips there ?
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Batz
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cal
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Daniel James
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david
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David Adler
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diego simak
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Fabio
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Folderol
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fons＠kokkinizita.net
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fred
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Gabriel M. Beddingfield
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Harry Van Haaren
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Hartmut Noack
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Jean-Baptiste Mestelan
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Jeremy Jongepier
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Josh Lawrence
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Lorenzo Sutton
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M Watts
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Paul Davis
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Robin Gareus
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rosea.grammostola
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