6 Apr
2010
6 Apr
'10
8:36 p.m.
$ lame -h --preset cd --ogginput azr3.ogg azr3.mp3
sorry, vorbis support in LAME is deprecated.
what's with that? are they just being awkward?
6 Apr
6 Apr
10:14 p.m.
On 04/07/2010 12:19 AM, James Morris wrote:
$ lame -h --preset cd --ogginput azr3.ogg azr3.mp3
sorry, vorbis support in LAME is deprecated.
what's with that? are they just being awkward?
well, lame ain't an mp3 encoder, and it sure as hell ain't an ogg vorbis
encoder, either. no harm in focusing on not doing what you don't do best.
what's wrong with oggenc?
10:27 p.m.
Excerpts from Jörn Nettingsmeier's message of 2010-04-07 02:16:54 +0200:
On 04/07/2010 12:19 AM, James Morris wrote:
Uhm, lame IS an mp3 encoder, that's the only thing it is,
but it's not a vorbis decoder.
Deprecated usually means it will still work, but you should start
looking for another way to decode vorbis files.
I don't know why they chose to remove vorbis decoding capabilities but I
wonder why it was there in the first place.
$ lame -h --preset cd --ogginput azr3.ogg azr3.mp3
sorry, vorbis support in LAME is deprecated.
what's with that? are they just being awkward?
well, lame ain't an mp3 encoder, and it sure as hell ain't an ogg vorbis
encoder, either. no harm in focusing on not doing what you don't do best.
what's wrong with oggenc? 
7 Apr
7 Apr
1:35 p.m.
On Wednesday 07 April 2010 02:26:55 Philipp wrote:
Excerpts from Jörn Nettingsmeier's message of
2010-04-07 02:16:54 +0200:
Actually, lame == lame ain't a mp3 encoder. Its called a recursive acronym.
But thats what lame stands for...
well, lame ain't an mp3 encoder, and it sure
as hell ain't an ogg vorbis
encoder, either. no harm in focusing on not doing what you don't do best.
Uhm,
lame IS an mp3 encoder, that's the only thing it is,
but it's not a vorbis decoder.
3:02 p.m.
Excerpts from Arnold Krille's message of 2010-04-07 17:33:39 +0200:
On Wednesday 07 April 2010 02:26:55 Philipp wrote:
You're right. In all these years I never thought about it's name and
didn't think it was an acronym, but it is, according to:
http://lame.sourceforge.net/about.php
Thanks for filling this little hole in my education ;)
Philipp
Excerpts from Jörn Nettingsmeier's message of
2010-04-07 02:16:54 +0200:
Actually, lame == lame ain't a mp3 encoder. Its called a recursive acronym.
But thats what lame stands for... well, lame ain't an mp3 encoder, and it sure
as hell ain't an ogg vorbis
encoder, either. no harm in focusing on not doing what you don't do best.
Uhm,
lame IS an mp3 encoder, that's the only thing it is,
but it's not a vorbis decoder. 
6 Apr
6 Apr
11:05 p.m.
James Morris wrote:
$ lame -h --preset cd --ogginput azr3.ogg azr3.mp3
sorry, vorbis support in LAME is deprecated.
what's with that? are they just being awkward?
No idea, but if you enable the libsndfile option in lame, libsndfile
should provide support to read the Ogg.
Erik
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7 Apr
7 Apr
8:50 a.m.
On 7 April 2010 09:05, Erik de Castro Lopo <mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com> wrote:
James Morris wrote:
I stumbled over at the same problem. I needed to convert some oggs to
mp3s for a player device. After it didn't work with lame I just did it
from GUI, I think it was audiokonverter or something like that.
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$ lame -h --preset cd --ogginput azr3.ogg azr3.mp3
sorry, vorbis support in LAME is deprecated.
what's with that? are they just being awkward?
No idea, but if you enable the libsndfile option in lame, libsndfile
should provide support to read the Ogg.
9:15 a.m.
On Wed, April 7, 2010 11:50, Ray Rashif wrote:
On 7 April 2010 09:05, Erik de Castro Lopo
<mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com> wrote:
I tried lame with libsndfile file IO but still the same result, so have
asked about lame/ogg/libsndfile on lame-dev and am awaiting a response.
Cheers,
James.
James Morris wrote:
I stumbled over at the same problem. I needed to convert some oggs to
mp3s for a player device. After it didn't work with lame I just did it
from GUI, I think it was audiokonverter or something like that.
$ lame -h --preset cd --ogginput azr3.ogg azr3.mp3
sorry, vorbis support in LAME is deprecated.
what's with that? are they just being awkward?
No idea, but if you enable the libsndfile option in lame, libsndfile
should provide support to read the Ogg. 
9:28 a.m.
Ray Rashif wrote:
On 7 April 2010 09:05, Erik de Castro
Lopo<mle+la(a)mega-nerd.com> wrote:
Why can't one just do something like this?
oggdec input.ogg -o - | lame - output.mp3
(possibly loop it on many files..
By the way, there are relatively cheap portable players which support
OGG and FLAC
Lorenzo
James Morris wrote:
I stumbled over at the same problem. I needed to convert some oggs to
mp3s for a player device. After it didn't work with lame I just did it
from GUI, I think it was audiokonverter or something like that.
$ lame -h --preset cd --ogginput azr3.ogg
azr3.mp3
sorry, vorbis support in LAME is deprecated.
what's with that? are they just being awkward?
No idea, but if you enable the libsndfile option in lame, libsndfile
should provide support to read the Ogg.
9:58 a.m.
On Wed, April 7, 2010 12:27, Lorenzo wrote:
Why can't one just do something like this?
oggdec input.ogg -o - | lame - output.mp3
(possibly loop it on many files..
Fair point, I should be used to working that way by now... But if
libsndfile supports reading ogg, and lame is compiled with libsndfile
support...
Anyway, that does make it much less of an issue. Thanks.
By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Lorenzo
5:53 p.m.
Lorenzo wrote:
By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only does
MP3 and WMA.
Of course, I use my laptop as my music player, no problem supporting a
whole pile of media formats including OGG and FLAC.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
6:09 p.m.
On Wednesday 07 April 2010 21:53:15 david wrote:
Lorenzo wrote:
My little iriver T50 does mp3, ogg and probably some others. But these are the
ones I care about.
And without any firmware-updating or -hacking. There are other players where
you can install alternative (linux-based) operating systems that convert your
display-less mp3-player into mcgyver and chuck norris at the same time...
Arnold
By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only
does
MP3 and WMA.
8 Apr
8 Apr
5:45 a.m.
Arnold Krille wrote:
On Wednesday 07 April 2010 21:53:15 david wrote:
My goodness, that player looks so clumsy and clunky!
Does MP3, WMA, ASF, OGG according to one site I found.
Lorenzo wrote:
My little iriver T50 does mp3, ogg and probably some others. But these are the
ones I care about. By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only
does
MP3 and WMA. And without any firmware-updating or -hacking. There
are other players where
you can install alternative (linux-based) operating systems that convert your
display-less mp3-player into mcgyver and chuck norris at the same time...
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
4:04 p.m.
On Thursday 08 April 2010 09:45:38 david wrote:
Arnold Krille wrote:
True, it looks like a radio-alarm for your bedside. But its actually only
7.5x3x3 cm big. And is powered by standard AA batteries, no proprietary
battery that cost a fortune to replace
On Wednesday 07 April 2010 21:53:15 david wrote:
My goodness, that player looks so clumsy and clunky!
Lorenzo wrote:
My little iriver T50 does mp3, ogg and probably some others. But these
are the ones I care about. By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only does
MP3 and WMA. Does MP3, WMA, ASF, OGG according to one site I found.
And runs 52h on one battery instead of the 19h found with _many_ other players
when I bought it three years back. And the real-world runtime is very near
that advertised number.
Have fun,
Arnold
7 Apr
7 Apr
6:11 p.m.
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:53:15 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Lorenzo wrote:
My iRiver H320 wasn't particularly expensive (some years ago) and
hand;s a fistful of formats, as well as having the obligatory FM radio
built in :)
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only does
MP3 and WMA.
Of course, I use my laptop as my music player, no problem supporting a
whole pile of media formats including OGG and FLAC.
8 Apr
8 Apr
5:52 a.m.
Folderol wrote:
On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:53:15 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Plays same audio formats as the other iRiver mentioned on the list: MP3,
WMA, ASF, OGG.
--
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gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Lorenzo wrote:
My iRiver H320 wasn't particularly expensive (some years ago) and
hand;s a fistful of formats, as well as having the obligatory FM radio
built in :) By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only
does
MP3 and WMA.
Of course, I use my laptop as my music player, no problem supporting a
whole pile of media formats including OGG and FLAC.
7 Apr
7 Apr
6:12 p.m.
On 7 April 2010 at 9:53, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Lorenzo wrote:
I know my iAudio player plays OGG. I forget whether it plays FLAC or
not. It also plays MP3s, of course, and probably WMAs. But, I've
not tried a WMA file on that player.
--
Kevin
By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only does
MP3 and WMA. 
6:21 p.m.
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
I know my iAudio player plays OGG. I forget whether
it plays FLAC or
not. It also plays MP3s, of course, and probably WMAs. But, I've
not tried a WMA file on that player.
--
Kevin
I have an iAudio A3, one of the models with a hard-drive in, rather than
flash-based. That definitely plays FLAC, which is how I've filled up an
80GB drive with not a huge amount of music.
It plays OGG and MP3 as well, that I know of. I'm sure it can do several
more but I got it for the native FLAC support and don't much care about
other formats.
Q
8 Apr
8 Apr
5:59 a.m.
Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
On 7 April 2010 at 9:53, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Hmmm, here's what Cowon (AKA JetAudio) says about it:
File Format: MP3/2, WMA, FLAC, OGG, APE, WAV
That's a good assortment.
Looks like an iPod Nano copy. ;-)
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Lorenzo wrote:
I know my iAudio player plays OGG. I forget whether it plays FLAC or
not. It also plays MP3s, of course, and probably WMAs. But, I've
not tried a WMA file on that player. By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only
does
MP3 and WMA. 
7 Apr
7 Apr
8:49 p.m.
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:53 PM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Lorenzo wrote:
most samsung portable music devices play at least Ogg and I think FLAC too.
By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only does
MP3 and WMA.
Of course, I use my laptop as my music player, no problem supporting a
whole pile of media formats including OGG and FLAC.
8 Apr
8 Apr
6:04 a.m.
Paul Davis wrote:
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 3:53 PM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Samsung T10 only plays MP3, WMA and "Subscription WMA (Janus)" -
whatever that is.
I have an iPod Nano (4th generation model, the one that can play videos)
here, and almost never use it. GTKPod is able to automatically convert
non-iPod compatible formats to MP3 when you use it to load songs into
the iPod.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Lorenzo wrote:
most samsung portable music devices play at least Ogg and I think FLAC too. By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only
does
MP3 and WMA.
Of course, I use my laptop as my music player, no problem supporting a
whole pile of media formats including OGG and FLAC.
7 Apr
7 Apr
9:53 p.m.
Excerpts from david's message of 2010-04-07 21:53:15 +0200:
Lorenzo wrote:
A friend of mine has a really tiny sandisk one which plays vorbis at
least. I think it's not that uncommon anymore.
Vorbis and flac at least are rather often supported but it's not often
something marketing uses prominently.
With other formats, like wavpack, you'll have less luck.
By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only does
MP3 and WMA.
Of course, I use my laptop as my music player, no problem supporting a
whole pile of media formats including OGG and FLAC.
8 Apr
8 Apr
6:08 a.m.
Philipp wrote:
Excerpts from david's message of 2010-04-07
21:53:15 +0200:
I have to agree that marketing (by non-Apple player makers) isn't very
good. Out here, at least, the main marketing message is "more space
cheaper than iPod". Nothing else gets mentioned.
Also what never gets mentioned is "Do these non-Apple iPod competitors
work with iTunes"? Not that I use iTunes, but apparently a lot of people do.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Lorenzo wrote:
A friend of mine has a really tiny sandisk one which plays vorbis at
least. I think it's not that uncommon anymore.
Vorbis and flac at least are rather often supported but it's not often
something marketing uses prominently.
With other formats, like wavpack, you'll have less luck. By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only
does
MP3 and WMA.
Of course, I use my laptop as my music player, no problem supporting a
whole pile of media formats including OGG and FLAC.
7:27 a.m.
On 8 April 2010 16:07, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Philipp wrote:
Sometimes I'm helping out people, and those times I get in my hand
some really old or really proprietary stuff that never will have
support other than MP3.
For myself, my cellphone is my mobile audio player. It's a Motorola
ROKR E8, and not only can I play OGG, I can play AVI with MPlayer =p
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Excerpts from david's message of 2010-04-07
21:53:15 +0200:
I have to agree that marketing (by non-Apple player makers) isn't very
good. Out here, at least, the main marketing message is "more space
cheaper than iPod". Nothing else gets mentioned.
Also what never gets mentioned is "Do these non-Apple iPod competitors
work with iTunes"? Not that I use iTunes, but apparently a lot of people do. Lorenzo wrote:
A friend of mine has a really tiny sandisk one which plays vorbis at
least. I think it's not that uncommon anymore.
Vorbis and flac at least are rather often supported but it's not often
something marketing uses prominently.
With other formats, like wavpack, you'll have less luck. By the way, there are relatively cheap portable
players which support
OGG and FLAC
Really? Never seen one anywhere. My little portable CD player only
does
MP3 and WMA.
Of course, I use my laptop as my music player, no problem supporting a
whole pile of media formats including OGG and FLAC.
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