4 Oct
2015
4 Oct
'15
11:20 p.m.
Friends
I would like to get started editing a simple score and producing some
sound from it.
I have tried rosegarden recently but I can get no sound out of it. It
is far more than I require, as my confidence increases perhaps it is
what I will need but I simply cannot tell at this point.
In the past I have used csound, it has a less useful interface (suits
me) and is the closest to what I want but I need to get a colleague
entering a score and a text editor will not do.
I am at my wits end, what I might need is a beginners guide for
rosegarden, or better still a simpler programme, or virtual keyboard
(best).
I am completely swamped by all the options that I have and hence am a
bit paralysed. I can tell that whatever I choose will require a big
investment in time to learn but I cannot be sure that it is worth the
investment. And being unable to get any sound at all is very demoralising.
Worik
PS I have been doing a lot of sound recording and editing with Linux and
a M-Audio interface (usually) and a PreSonus AudioBox 1818VSL when I
have to mostly into audacity. When I am absolutely forced to (when
using > 2 tracks where Audacity cannot cope yet) I use audacious. I
find audacious endlessly irritating for the same problems I outline
above, so many options, so many knobs, where do I start? But audacity
pretty much just worked.
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4 Oct
11:36 p.m.
Try musescore. Pretty simple to run. But, doesn't have the midi edit
function of rosegarden. But, IMHO, much better for score notation.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 4:20 PM, worik <root(a)worik.org> wrote:
Friends
I would like to get started editing a simple score and producing some
sound from it.
I have tried rosegarden recently but I can get no sound out of it. It
is far more than I require, as my confidence increases perhaps it is
what I will need but I simply cannot tell at this point.
In the past I have used csound, it has a less useful interface (suits
me) and is the closest to what I want but I need to get a colleague
entering a score and a text editor will not do.
I am at my wits end, what I might need is a beginners guide for
rosegarden, or better still a simpler programme, or virtual keyboard
(best).
I am completely swamped by all the options that I have and hence am a
bit paralysed. I can tell that whatever I choose will require a big
investment in time to learn but I cannot be sure that it is worth the
investment. And being unable to get any sound at all is very demoralising.
Worik
PS I have been doing a lot of sound recording and editing with Linux and
a M-Audio interface (usually) and a PreSonus AudioBox 1818VSL when I
have to mostly into audacity. When I am absolutely forced to (when
using > 2 tracks where Audacity cannot cope yet) I use audacious. I
find audacious endlessly irritating for the same problems I outline
above, so many options, so many knobs, where do I start? But audacity
pretty much just worked.
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5 Oct
3:05 a.m.
Bob van der Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca> writes:
Try musescore. Pretty simple to run. But, doesn't
have the midi edit
function of rosegarden. But, IMHO, much better for score notation.
+1 for Musescore if what you want is a simple way to enter score
notation (my 9 years old son loves to use it!).
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3:12 a.m.
Even though I did suggest musescore ... I have to admit that I rarely use
it for notation. I still use good old MUP which I think produces some of
the best output of any available notation programs. Fairly steep learning
curve, but that makes it fun :)
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Try musescore. Pretty simple to run. But,
doesn't have the midi edit
function of rosegarden. But, IMHO, much better for score notation.
+1 for Musescore if what you want is a simple way to enter score
notation (my 9 years old son loves to use it!).
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5:14 a.m.
Thank you every body. Helpful, definitely helpful
On 05/10/15 16:11, Bob van der Poel wrote:
Even though I did suggest musescore ... I have to
admit that I rarely
use it for notation. I still use good old MUP which I think produces
some of the best output of any available notation programs. Fairly
steep learning curve, but that makes it fun :)
But is there a link for MUP? I cannot find it in my repositories
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9:05 a.m.
Am Montag, 5. Oktober 2015, 18:14:15 schrieb worik:
Thank you every body. Helpful, definitely helpful
On 05/10/15 16:11, Bob van der Poel wrote:
http://www.arkkra.com/
It's great to see that MUP has become opensource in 2012, i wasn't aware of
that...
Oh and noone has mentioned Lilypond yet, or ABC - both being notation "programming
languages" as well, with existing GUI frontends of some sort, Denemo for Lilypond and
runabc, flabc and others for ABC.
Edgar
Even though I did suggest musescore ... I have to
admit that I rarely
use it for notation. I still use good old MUP which I think produces
some of the best output of any available notation programs. Fairly
steep learning curve, but that makes it fun :)
But is there a link for MUP? I cannot find it in my repositories
6:46 p.m.
[Edgar Aichinger]
Oh and noone has mentioned Lilypond yet, or ABC - both
being notation
"programming languages" as well, with existing GUI frontends of some
sort, Denemo for Lilypond and runabc, flabc and others for ABC.
ABC is particularly dear to me. Its use can become a bit arcane for
specialised tasks but thanks to abcm2ps getting from zero to a basic
score that's easy to read and edit is a breeze.
Tim
7 Oct
7 Oct
6:30 a.m.
On 10/05/2015 08:46 AM, Tim Goetze wrote:
[Edgar Aichinger]
I'm too old-school. I can't imagine "writing music" by editing a text
file anymore than I could return to "drawing pictures" by editing
Postscript code (which I did at one time a long while ago).
Denemo's pretty good, I just find Rosegarden more comprehensive when it
comes to making music.
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Oh and noone has mentioned Lilypond yet, or ABC -
both being notation
"programming languages" as well, with existing GUI frontends of some
sort, Denemo for Lilypond and runabc, flabc and others for ABC.
ABC is particularly dear to me. Its use can become a bit arcane for
specialised tasks but thanks to abcm2ps getting from zero to a basic
score that's easy to read and edit is a breeze.
1:50 p.m.
[david]
On 10/05/2015 08:46 AM, Tim Goetze wrote:
For composing or arranging ABC probably isn't the most immediate
approach. But when the music is in final shape (or close to it) and
only needs to be poured into standard notation for a human to read,
ABC's concise representation can be a joy if you're used to working on
text.
Tim
ABC is particularly dear to me. Its use can
become a bit arcane for
specialised tasks but thanks to abcm2ps getting from zero to a basic
score that's easy to read and edit is a breeze.
I'm too old-school. I can't imagine "writing music" by editing a text
file
anymore than I could return to "drawing pictures" by editing Postscript code
(which I did at one time a long while ago).
5 Oct
5 Oct
4:34 p.m.
On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 10:14 PM, worik <root(a)worik.org> wrote:
Thank you every body. Helpful, definitely helpful
On 05/10/15 16:11, Bob van der Poel wrote:
MUP is available from
http://www.arkkra.com/
Even though I did suggest musescore ... I have to
admit that I rarely
use it for notation. I still use good old MUP which I think produces
some of the best output of any available notation programs. Fairly
steep learning curve, but that makes it fun :)
But is there a link for MUP? I cannot find it in my repositories
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1:44 a.m.
On 04/10/15 07:20 PM, worik wrote:
Friends
I would like to get started editing a simple score and producing some
sound from it.
I have tried rosegarden recently but I can get no sound out of it. It
is far more than I require, as my confidence increases perhaps it is
what I will need but I simply cannot tell at this point.
In the past I have used csound, it has a less useful interface (suits
me) and is the closest to what I want but I need to get a colleague
entering a score and a text editor will not do.
I am at my wits end, what I might need is a beginners guide for
rosegarden, or better still a simpler programme, or virtual keyboard
(best). [...]
First question... are you using JACK yet?
One reason that you might be frustrated getting sound of out Rosegarden is if
you're not running JACK as your audio server. (Audacity doesn't require it, but
Rosegarden and other more serious music production software does.)
But, even when running JACK, I can relate to the frustration of trying to figure
out just how the heck to get sound out of Rosegarden at first. The magic answer
for me was "synth plugin" -- you need something to voice the MIDI from
Rosegarden, and setting the instrument up as a synth plugin is the easiest way
I've found to do that when I was a beginner.
e.g. see http://rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/doc:manual-en#the_instrument_parameter_box
Quick instructions... for each MIDI track, select it, and then under Track
Parameters on the left-hand side, change the device from "General MIDI Device"
to "Synth plugin."
Then, under Instrument Parameters (the box below Track Parameters), click where
it says "no synth" and select a plugin from the list.
My favourite synth plugin to use for string arrangements (so far, it was the
first I got working and I've stuck with it) is the FluidSynth DSSI plugin.
I select it from the list of plugins, and then click the "Editor" button below
in that synth plugin pop-up window. From the FluidSynth editor window, I click
"Load SoundFont". I've only used the FluidR3_GM.sf2 sound font (available
as
fluid-soundfont-gm package in many distros). I'll select an instrument, and then
you can click "Send Test Note", and that may be the first successful sound
you'll get out of Rosegarden!
If that works, close those windows and go back to the notation editor, and
you'll be getting sounds.
Pro-tip: I set up an empty Rosegarden file with the FluidSynth synth plugin and
that sound font for Violin I, Violin I, Viola, Cello and Bass and used the "File
Save as Template..." feature so that I can get a
string quintet right away
when ever starting work on a new song rather than mucking
around with plugin set up.
Also, I believe Rosegarden is an excellent tool for music notation, and is worth
investing time to learn. BUT I've stuck with it because it has other features I
like, such as the ability to drop in audio files and write string arrangements
against a recording, or the ability to function as a MIDI sequencer. You may not
need those features, and there are other excellent notation programs that might
be a better fit for you.
HTH... let me know if I can help further by sharing specifics of my setup.
8:02 a.m.
Hi,
On 05/10/2015 01:20, worik wrote:
Friends
I would like to get started editing a simple score and producing some
sound from it.
What is your main use case?
a) Typesetting a score: i.e. producing a 'print-quality' score for some
'real' performer to play
b) Music composition using standard notation as the main input means
(i.e. as if you had ha paper and pencil score)
c) Mix of the above two
This is what I would suggest for those use cases:
a) Use either a WYSIWYG software such as the suggested MuseScore, or a
music typesetting language. For the latter I'd personally recommend
Lilypond, but there are others such as suggested MUP
b) Use a sequencer which also has notation editing. In my humble opinion
Rosegarden has some of the best notation editing for a sequencer, muse
(the sequencer) also has a notation editor.
c) use b) and then export to some format which you can read and tweak
with a) - for example Rosegarden also has Lilypond export.
I have tried rosegarden recently but I can get no sound out of it. It
is far more than I require, as my confidence increases perhaps it is
what I will need but I simply cannot tell at this point.
You understand that that statement is like saying 'I tried using a car
as transportation means but couldn't get it to move'? Insert keys? Turn
the ignition? Was there petrol? Battery was charged? Did you even open
the door? ... Did you read the manual, search for some tutorial etc.?
In the past I have used csound, it has a less useful interface (suits
me) and is the closest to what I want but I need to get a colleague
entering a score and a text editor will not do.
I am at my wits end, what I might need is a beginners guide for
rosegarden, or better still a simpler programme, or virtual keyboard
(best).
Searching for 'rosegarden tutorial' provides a bunch of probably
relevant links:
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/en/chapter-1.html
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/tutorials/
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/tutorials/supplemental/piano/
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/Musicians_Guide/sect-Mu…
I am completely swamped by all the options that I have and hence am a
bit paralysed. I can tell that whatever I choose will require a big
investment in time to learn but I cannot be sure that it is worth the
investment. And being unable to get any sound at all is very demoralising.
This is probably the right place to ask for help :-)
PS I have been doing a lot of sound recording and editing with Linux and
a M-Audio interface (usually) and a PreSonus AudioBox 1818VSL when I
have to mostly into audacity. When I am absolutely forced to (when
using > 2 tracks where Audacity cannot cope yet) I use audacious. I
find audacious endlessly irritating for the same problems I outline
above, so many options, so many knobs, where do I start? But audacity
pretty much just worked.
Try Aardour ;-)
9:58 a.m.
or virtual keyboard
(best).
Not sure how just a virtual keyboard will help you but VMPK seems to be the most commonly
recommended one.
http://vmpk.sourceforge.net/
PS I have been doing a lot of sound recording and
editing with Linux and
a M-Audio interface (usually) and a PreSonus AudioBox 1818VSL when I
have to mostly into audacity. When I am absolutely forced to (when
using > 2 tracks where Audacity cannot cope yet) I use audacious. I
find audacious endlessly irritating for the same problems I outline
above, so many options, so many knobs, where do I start? But audacity
pretty much just worked.
Audacious is purely a media player. A pretty simple one at that! How do you do any editing
in a media player???
10:38 a.m.
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From: ich(a)nilsgey.de
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 13:59:40 +0200
Subject: Re: [LAU] Getting started editing and playing a score
That makes zero sense as he says he uses it when Audacity can't cope (due to too many
channels.)
" When I am absolutely forced to (when
Audacious is purely a media player. A pretty
simple one at that! How do
you do any editing in a media player???
Obviously Audacity using > 2 tracks where Audacity cannot cope yet) I
use audacious."
6 Oct
6 Oct
1:14 a.m.
On 06/10/15 00:59, Nils Gey wrote:
Duh!
Ardour
W
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> Audacious
is purely a media player. A pretty simple one at that! How do
> you do any editing in a media player???
>
Obviously Audacity 
5 Oct
5 Oct
7:13 p.m.
On 10/04/2015 07:20 PM, worik wrote:
I would like to get started editing a simple score and producing some
sound from it.
I am an avid fan of frescobaldi[1] (lilypond editor). I would set up
jack to connect to a windows server running VEP[2] or Bidule[3] as VST
hosts, connect the graph appropriately and have frescobaldi play the
midi file to some remote sound generators. It's fun, for sure and when I
need to create beautiful, distribution-ready scores, that is my go-to setup.
David
[1] http://frescobaldi.org/
[2] https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Vienna_Software_Package/Vienna_Ensemble_PRO
[3] https://www.plogue.com/products/bidule/
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