16 May
2022
16 May
'22
12:24 a.m.
Hi imaginative folks,
honestly, I do not have a direct Linux box itself, I use shells, because I
have yet to find an adaptive workable tool...but I suppose scripting is
possible.
That being said, an idea in another Windows environment may work as
well.
what I am wondering is this.
How possible might it be to use your singing voice for composing?
what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice, then using
that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc., then produce
that music in printable form?
The last task is less important for the moment.
getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and composing form is
though.
thoughts?
Karen
16 May
16 May
1:19 a.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
Hello Karen,
I mean, I think you should just go for it. You could totally record your
melodies, and then fill them in with a DAW of your choice. Then, take
what you've written to a notation software.
If you're on Linux, maybe Muse or Rosegarden would work for you, as they
have notation built-in. If you don't care about notation built-in,
Ardour is a great DAW for recording and processing.
If you're looking for software that will notate for you based on what
you've sang, I have to admit I don't know of a good one on Linux to do
that. Sonic-visualizer can track pitch of frequencies, so maybe that's
where I would start, but maybe someone else has a better solution. You
could always go the old-fashioned way and just dictate what you've sang
later, after you've recorded yourself and fleshed out the orchestration
around your recording. It's also good practice and can be fun and give
you unsuspecting results, which can be nice. :)
Let me know if I've answered your question,
Brandon Hale
On 5/15/22 6:24 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi imaginative folks,
honestly, I do not have a direct Linux box itself, I use shells,
because I have yet to find an adaptive workable tool...but I suppose
scripting is possible.
That being said, an idea in another Windows environment may work as well.
what I am wondering is this.
How possible might it be to use your singing voice for composing?
what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice, then
using that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc.,
then produce that music in printable form?
The last task is less important for the moment.
getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and composing
form is though.
thoughts?
Karen
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4:52 a.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
I think possible to do - record voice into Muse, Rosegarden or Ardour,
add tracks using other instruments or MIDI synths.
I don't know what Windows offers. Maybe ProTools could do that? I have a
friend that writes songs using ProTools now - before that he used FL
Studio. He plays no instruments, so he sets up beats and other such in
ProTools, records his voice into it. He doesn't do anything involving
music scores.
I understand that Neil Diamond had some of his great initial song
successes well before he knew how to read or write music. He worked with
instrumentalists on albums by singing instrument parts as he wanted them
to be.
On 5/15/22 13:19, Brandon Hale wrote:
Hello Karen,
I mean, I think you should just go for it. You could totally record
your melodies, and then fill them in with a DAW of your choice. Then,
take what you've written to a notation software.
If you're on Linux, maybe Muse or Rosegarden would work for you, as
they have notation built-in. If you don't care about notation
built-in, Ardour is a great DAW for recording and processing.
If you're looking for software that will notate for you based on what
you've sang, I have to admit I don't know of a good one on Linux to do
that. Sonic-visualizer can track pitch of frequencies, so maybe that's
where I would start, but maybe someone else has a better solution. You
could always go the old-fashioned way and just dictate what you've
sang later, after you've recorded yourself and fleshed out the
orchestration around your recording. It's also good practice and can
be fun and give you unsuspecting results, which can be nice. :)
Let me know if I've answered your question,
Brandon Hale
On 5/15/22 6:24 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi imaginative folks,
> honestly, I do not have a direct Linux box itself, I use shells,
> because I have yet to find an adaptive workable tool...but I suppose
> scripting is possible.
> That being said, an idea in another Windows environment may work as
> well.
> what I am wondering is this.
> How possible might it be to use your singing voice for composing?
> what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice, then
> using that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc.,
> then produce that music in printable form?
> The last task is less important for the moment.
> getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and composing
> form is though.
> thoughts?
> Karen
--
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
"My password is the last 8 digits of π."
5:07 a.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
Oh I so Love Neil Diamond!
Not a windows user either, which is why I expressed non-windows solutions.
still, I quite like your idea of working with an instrumentalist.
Did an arrangement once by using other arrangements to create what I needed.
these days I am writing more of my own material however.
On Sun, 15 May 2022, david wrote:
I think possible to do - record voice into Muse,
Rosegarden or Ardour, add
tracks using other instruments or MIDI synths.
I don't know what Windows offers. Maybe ProTools could do that? I have a
friend that writes songs using ProTools now - before that he used FL Studio.
He plays no instruments, so he sets up beats and other such in ProTools,
records his voice into it. He doesn't do anything involving music scores.
I understand that Neil Diamond had some of his great initial song successes
well before he knew how to read or write music. He worked with
instrumentalists on albums by singing instrument parts as he wanted them to
be.
On 5/15/22 13:19, Brandon Hale wrote:
Hello Karen,
I mean, I think you should just go for it. You could totally record your
melodies, and then fill them in with a DAW of your choice. Then, take what
you've written to a notation software.
If you're on Linux, maybe Muse or Rosegarden would work for you, as they
have notation built-in. If you don't care about notation built-in, Ardour
is a great DAW for recording and processing.
If you're looking for software that will notate for you based on what
you've sang, I have to admit I don't know of a good one on Linux to do
that. Sonic-visualizer can track pitch of frequencies, so maybe that's
where I would start, but maybe someone else has a better solution. You
could always go the old-fashioned way and just dictate what you've sang
later, after you've recorded yourself and fleshed out the orchestration
around your recording. It's also good practice and can be fun and give you
unsuspecting results, which can be nice. :)
Let me know if I've answered your question,
Brandon Hale
On 5/15/22 6:24 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi imaginative folks,
> honestly, I do not have a direct Linux box itself, I use shells, because
> I have yet to find an adaptive workable tool...but I suppose scripting
> is possible.
> That being said, an idea in another Windows environment may work as
> well.
> what I am wondering is this.
> How possible might it be to use your singing voice for composing?
> what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice, then
> using that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc., then
> produce that music in printable form?
> The last task is less important for the moment.
> getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and composing
> form is though.
> thoughts?
> Karen
--
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
"My password is the last 8 digits of π."
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5:26 a.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
That's what my friend does - makes his own material, his own beats,
accompaniment, using his Windows computer, ProTools, and a collection of
VST (virtual digital instruments). He's not using other peoples'
arrangements.
Happy creating!
On 5/15/22 17:07, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Oh I so Love Neil Diamond!
Not a windows user either, which is why I expressed non-windows
solutions.
still, I quite like your idea of working with an instrumentalist.
Did an arrangement once by using other arrangements to create what I
needed.
these days I am writing more of my own material however.
On Sun, 15 May 2022, david wrote:
> I think possible to do - record voice into Muse, Rosegarden or
> Ardour, add tracks using other instruments or MIDI synths.
>
> I don't know what Windows offers. Maybe ProTools could do that? I
> have a friend that writes songs using ProTools now - before that he
> used FL Studio. He plays no instruments, so he sets up beats and
> other such in ProTools, records his voice into it. He doesn't do
> anything involving music scores.
>
> I understand that Neil Diamond had some of his great initial song
> successes well before he knew how to read or write music. He worked
> with instrumentalists on albums by singing instrument parts as he
> wanted them to be.
>
> On 5/15/22 13:19, Brandon Hale wrote:
>> Hello Karen,
>>
>> I mean, I think you should just go for it. You could totally record
>> your
>> melodies, and then fill them in with a DAW of your choice. Then,
>> take what
>> you've written to a notation software.
>>
>> If you're on Linux, maybe Muse or Rosegarden would work for you, as
>> they
>> have notation built-in. If you don't care about notation built-in,
>> Ardour
>> is a great DAW for recording and processing.
>>
>> If you're looking for software that will notate for you based on what
>> you've sang, I have to admit I don't know of a good one on Linux to do
>> that. Sonic-visualizer can track pitch of frequencies, so maybe that's
>> where I would start, but maybe someone else has a better solution. You
>> could always go the old-fashioned way and just dictate what you've
>> sang
>> later, after you've recorded yourself and fleshed out the
>> orchestration
>> around your recording. It's also good practice and can be fun and
>> give you
>> unsuspecting results, which can be nice. :)
>>
>> Let me know if I've answered your question,
>>
>> Brandon Hale
>>
>> On 5/15/22 6:24 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> > Hi imaginative folks,
>> > honestly, I do not have a direct Linux box itself, I use shells,
>> because > I have yet to find an adaptive workable tool...but I
>> suppose scripting > is possible.
>> > That being said, an idea in another Windows environment may work
>> as > well.
>> > what I am wondering is this.
>> > How possible might it be to use your singing voice for composing?
>> > what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice,
>> then > using that software to first add the orchestrations,
>> playback etc., then > produce that music in printable form?
>> > The last task is less important for the moment.
>> > getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and
>> composing > form is though.
>> > thoughts?
>> > Karen
--
David W. Jones
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
http://dancingtreefrog.com
"My password is the last 8 digits of π."
4:55 a.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
Hi Brandon,
Thanks for the energetic ideas.
As shared, i am not in Linux, as I have not found an inclusive for me way
to use the platform.
Built in notation would be ideal, but what you shared which has me
interested is a program that can notetate what I sing.
Sonic visuals? if I am correct, what platform supports this tool?
Karen
On Sun, 15 May 2022, Brandon Hale wrote:
Hello Karen,
I mean, I think you should just go for it. You could totally record your
melodies, and then fill them in with a DAW of your choice. Then, take what
you've written to a notation software.
If you're on Linux, maybe Muse or Rosegarden would work for you, as they have
notation built-in. If you don't care about notation built-in, Ardour is a
great DAW for recording and processing.
If you're looking for software that will notate for you based on what you've
sang, I have to admit I don't know of a good one on Linux to do that.
Sonic-visualizer can track pitch of frequencies, so maybe that's where I
would start, but maybe someone else has a better solution. You could always
go the old-fashioned way and just dictate what you've sang later, after
you've recorded yourself and fleshed out the orchestration around your
recording. It's also good practice and can be fun and give you unsuspecting
results, which can be nice. :)
Let me know if I've answered your question,
Brandon Hale
On 5/15/22 6:24 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi imaginative folks,
honestly, I do not have a direct Linux box itself, I use shells, because I
have yet to find an adaptive workable tool...but I suppose scripting is
possible.
That being said, an idea in another Windows environment may work as well.
what I am wondering is this.
How possible might it be to use your singing voice for composing?
what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice, then
using that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc., then
produce that music in printable form?
The last task is less important for the moment.
getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and composing form
is though.
thoughts?
Karen
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4:37 p.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
Karen:
...
Built in notation would be ideal, but what you shared
which has me
interested is a program that can notetate what I sing.
Sonic visuals? if I am correct, what platform supports this tool?
For details, see:
https://sonicvisualiser.org/
For music notation (though not from what you sing), see
http://lilypond.org/
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
9:45 p.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
I had no idea lillypond might manage notation of what I sing as I sing it.
Will need to research that possibility further.
Thanks for the tips!
Karen
On Mon, 16 May 2022, karl(a)aspodata.se wrote:
Karen:
...
Built in notation would be ideal, but what you
shared which has me
interested is a program that can notetate what I sing.
Sonic visuals? if I am correct, what platform supports this tool?
For details, see:
https://sonicvisualiser.org/
For music notation (though not from what you sing), see
http://lilypond.org/
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
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10:01 p.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
Karen:
I had no idea lillypond might manage notation of what
I sing as I sing it.
No, that isn't what I wrote.
On Mon, 16 May 2022, karl(a)aspodata.se wrote:
...
> For music notation (though not from what you
sing), see
>
> http://lilypond.org/
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
10:14 p.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
Ah, given i specified this as my goal, the suggestion is confusing?
On Mon, 16 May 2022, karl(a)aspodata.se wrote:
Karen:
I had no idea lillypond might manage notation of
what I sing as I sing it.
No, that isn't what I wrote.
On Mon, 16 May 2022, karl(a)aspodata.se wrote:
...
> For music notation (though not from what you
sing), see
>
> http://lilypond.org/
Regards,
/Karl Hammar
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9:09 p.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
Hello Karen,
Built in notation would be ideal, but what you shared
which has me
interested is a program that can notetate what I sing.
If I was on Windows and
didn't care about free software, the DAW I would
use hands-down would be Reaper. It has notation built-in and is a full
featured DAW with cross-platform support. I would recommend Ardour too,
but it doesn't have notation support yet.
Finale has some form of voice to notation capabilities, maybe you can
try a free version of that and see if it works for you, if you need to
use auto-notation from your voice.
Sonic visuals? if I am correct, what platform
supports this tool?
Sonic-visualizer is what I mean. You can open audio files with
and then
enable a spectrogram view. From there, you can highlight fundamental
frequencies to find out what notes they are. I use Sonic-visualizer for
many different things, including this, and I believe there is a windows
version.
Let me know if you have any other questions,
Brandon Hale
On 5/15/22 10:54 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi Brandon,
> Thanks for the energetic ideas.
> As shared, i am not in Linux, as I have not found an inclusive for me
> way to use the platform.
Built in notation would be ideal, but what you shared
which has me
interested is a program that can notetate what I sing.
> Sonic visuals? if I
am correct, what platform supports this tool?
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Sun, 15 May 2022, Brandon Hale wrote:
>
>> Hello Karen,
>> I mean, I think you should just go for it. You could totally record
>> your melodies, and then fill them in with a DAW of your choice. Then,
>> take what you've written to a notation software.
>>
>> If you're on Linux, maybe Muse or Rosegarden would work for you, as
>> they have notation built-in. If you don't care about notation
>> built-in, Ardour is a great DAW for recording and processing.
>>
>> If you're looking for software that will notate for you based on what
>> you've sang, I have to admit I don't know of a good one on Linux to
>> do that. Sonic-visualizer can track pitch of frequencies, so maybe
>> that's where I would start, but maybe someone else has a better
>> solution. You could always go the old-fashioned way and just dictate
>> what you've sang later, after you've recorded yourself and fleshed
>> out the orchestration around your recording. It's also good practice
>> and can be fun and give you unsuspecting results, which can be nice. :)
>>
>> Let me know if I've answered your question,
>>
>> Brandon Hale
>>
>> On 5/15/22 6:24 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>> Hi imaginative folks,
>>> honestly, I do not have a direct Linux box itself, I use shells,
>>> because I
>>> have yet to find an adaptive workable tool...but I suppose
>>> scripting is
>>> possible.
>>> That being said, an idea in another Windows environment may work as
>>> well.
>>> what I am wondering is this.
>>> How possible might it be to use your singing voice for composing?
>>> what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice, then
>>> using that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc.,
>>> then
>>> produce that music in printable form?
>>> The last task is less important for the moment.
>>> getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and composing
>>> form
>>> is though.
>>> thoughts?
>>> Karen
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list
>>> Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
>>> https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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>>
10:11 p.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
Hi Brandon,
I do not use Windows, The idea of Finale sounds interesting.
Perhaps a mac edition?
Once I find the tools, I will be putting together the platform for it,
meaning I am not basing this on my current computer infrastructure.
Thanks much,
Karen
On Mon, 16 May 2022, Brandon Hale wrote:
Hello Karen,
Built in notation would be ideal, but what you
shared which has me
interested is a program that can notetate what I sing.
If I was on Windows and
didn't care about free software, the DAW I would use
hands-down would be Reaper. It has notation built-in and is a full featured
DAW with cross-platform support. I would recommend Ardour too, but it doesn't
have notation support yet.
Finale has some form of voice to notation capabilities, maybe you can try a
free version of that and see if it works for you, if you need to use
auto-notation from your voice.
Sonic visuals? if I am correct, what platform
supports this tool?
Sonic-visualizer is what I mean. You can open audio files with
and then
enable a spectrogram view. From there, you can highlight fundamental
frequencies to find out what notes they are. I use Sonic-visualizer for many
different things, including this, and I believe there is a windows version.
Let me know if you have any other questions,
Brandon Hale
On 5/15/22 10:54 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi Brandon,
> Thanks for the energetic ideas.
> As shared, i am not in Linux, as I have not found an inclusive for me way
> to use the platform.
Built in notation would be ideal, but what you
shared which has me
interested is a program that can notetate what I sing.
> Sonic visuals? if
I am correct, what platform supports this tool?
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Sun, 15 May 2022, Brandon Hale wrote:
>
> > Hello Karen,
> > I mean, I think you should just go for it. You could totally record your
> > melodies, and then fill them in with a DAW of your choice. Then, take
> > what you've written to a notation software.
> >
> > If you're on Linux, maybe Muse or Rosegarden would work for you, as they
> > have notation built-in. If you don't care about notation built-in,
> > Ardour is a great DAW for recording and processing.
> >
> > If you're looking for software that will notate for you based on what
> > you've sang, I have to admit I don't know of a good one on Linux to do
> > that. Sonic-visualizer can track pitch of frequencies, so maybe that's
> > where I would start, but maybe someone else has a better solution. You
> > could always go the old-fashioned way and just dictate what you've sang
> > later, after you've recorded yourself and fleshed out the orchestration
> > around your recording. It's also good practice and can be fun and give
> > you unsuspecting results, which can be nice. :)
> >
> > Let me know if I've answered your question,
> >
> > Brandon Hale
> >
> > On 5/15/22 6:24 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > Hi imaginative folks,
> > > honestly, I do not have a direct Linux box itself, I use shells,
> > > because I
> > > have yet to find an adaptive workable tool...but I suppose scripting
> > > is
> > > possible.
> > > That being said, an idea in another Windows environment may work as
> > > well.
> > > what I am wondering is this.
> > > How possible might it be to use your singing voice for
> > > composing?
> > > what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice, then
> > > using that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc.,
> > > then
> > > produce that music in printable form?
> > > The last task is less important for the moment.
> > > getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and composing
> > > form
> > > is though.
> > > thoughts?
> > > Karen
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > > Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
> > > https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> > _______________________________________________
> > Linux-audio-user mailing list
> > Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org
> > https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
> >
> >
11 p.m.
New subject: seeking a creative songwriting solution.
The same applies to macos.
Brandon Hale
On 5/16/22 4:11 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi Brandon,
I do not use Windows, The idea of Finale sounds interesting.
Perhaps a mac edition?
Once I find the tools, I will be putting together the platform for it,
meaning I am not basing this on my current computer infrastructure.
Thanks much,
Karen
On Mon, 16 May 2022, Brandon Hale wrote:
> Hello Karen,
>
>> Built in notation would be ideal, but what you shared which has me
>> interested is a program that can notetate what I sing.
> If I was on Windows and didn't care about free software, the DAW I
> would use hands-down would be Reaper. It has notation built-in and is
> a full featured DAW with cross-platform support. I would recommend
> Ardour too, but it doesn't have notation support yet.
>
> Finale has some form of voice to notation capabilities, maybe you can
> try a free version of that and see if it works for you, if you need
> to use auto-notation from your voice.
>
>> Sonic visuals? if I am correct, what platform supports this tool?
> Sonic-visualizer is what I mean. You can open audio files with and
> then enable a spectrogram view. From there, you can highlight
> fundamental frequencies to find out what notes they are. I use
> Sonic-visualizer for many different things, including this, and I
> believe there is a windows version.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions,
>
> Brandon Hale
>
> On 5/15/22 10:54 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Hi Brandon,
>> Thanks for the energetic ideas.
>> As shared, i am not in Linux, as I have not found an inclusive for
>> me way
>> to use the platform.
>> Built in notation would be ideal, but what you shared which has me
>> interested is a program that can notetate what I sing.
>> Sonic visuals? if I am correct, what platform supports this tool?
>> Karen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 15 May 2022, Brandon Hale wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Karen,
>> > I mean, I think you should just go for it. You could totally
>> record your > melodies, and then fill them in with a DAW of your
>> choice. Then, take > what you've written to a notation software.
>> > > If you're on Linux, maybe Muse or Rosegarden would work for
>> you, as they > have notation built-in. If you don't care about
>> notation built-in, > Ardour is a great DAW for recording and
>> processing.
>> > > If you're looking for software that will notate for you based
>> on what > you've sang, I have to admit I don't know of a good one
>> on Linux to do > that. Sonic-visualizer can track pitch of
>> frequencies, so maybe that's > where I would start, but maybe
>> someone else has a better solution. You > could always go the
>> old-fashioned way and just dictate what you've sang > later, after
>> you've recorded yourself and fleshed out the orchestration > around
>> your recording. It's also good practice and can be fun and give >
>> you unsuspecting results, which can be nice. :)
>> > > Let me know if I've answered your question,
>> > > Brandon Hale
>> > > On 5/15/22 6:24 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> > > Hi imaginative folks,
>> > > honestly, I do not have a direct Linux box itself, I use
>> shells, > > because I
>> > > have yet to find an adaptive workable tool...but I suppose
>> scripting > > is
>> > > possible.
>> > > That being said, an idea in another Windows environment may
>> work as > > well.
>> > > what I am wondering is this.
>> > > How possible might it be to use your singing voice for > >
>> composing?
>> > > what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice,
>> then
>> > > using that software to first add the orchestrations, playback
>> etc., > > then
>> > > produce that music in printable form?
>> > > The last task is less important for the moment.
>> > > getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and
>> composing > > form
>> > > is though.
>> > > thoughts?
>> > > Karen
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7:16 p.m.
In data lunedì 16 maggio 2022 00:24:37 CEST, Karen Lewellen ha scritto:
Hi imaginative folks,
[...]
what I am wondering is this.
How possible might it be to use your singing voice for composing?
what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice, then using
that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc., then produce
that music in printable form?
The last task is less important for the moment.
getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and composing form is
though.
thoughts?
Hi Karen
if you are comfortable with musical notation you can definitely go with
*MuseScore*, as it is very easy to learn and produces the score as well as the
audio part (a rendering of MIDI data using a soundfont, actually).
When you are done you can export your work into a MIDI file and import it into
*Ardour* to do all the recording / mixing / EQing / bla bla.
In my opinion these two tools are probably among the most mature to do “pro
stuff” under Linux, and are an integral part of my own workflow.
As a side note, if you’re not yet ready to dive into Linux and its ecosystem,
you can still try them on Windows or Mac.
Hope this helps.
ciao
Francesco Napoleoni
10:01 p.m.
Hi Francisco,
Are you suggesting that musescore could generate notation from my voice
alone?
I did not follow the midi aspect, it was not a part of my question,
since the goal is to create what I need from the basic of only my voice,
no keyboard required.
I did follow taking that and expanding the instrument's using the
second program you referenced.
that there are mac editions helps. Linux is not ready for me it seems
laughs!
Karen
On Mon, 16 May 2022, Francesco Napoleoni wrote:
In data lunedì 16 maggio 2022 00:24:37 CEST, Karen
Lewellen ha scritto:
Hi imaginative folks,
[...]
what I am wondering is this.
How possible might it be to use your singing voice for composing?
what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of choice, then using
that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc., then produce
that music in printable form?
The last task is less important for the moment.
getting my pieces out of my head, and into arranging and composing form is
though.
thoughts?
Hi Karen
if you are comfortable with musical notation you can definitely go with
*MuseScore*, as it is very easy to learn and produces the score as well as the
audio part (a rendering of MIDI data using a soundfont, actually).
When you are done you can export your work into a MIDI file and import it into
*Ardour* to do all the recording / mixing / EQing / bla bla.
In my opinion these two tools are probably among the most mature to do “pro
stuff” under Linux, and are an integral part of my own workflow.
As a side note, if you’re not yet ready to dive into Linux and its ecosystem,
you can still try them on Windows or Mac.
Hope this helps.
ciao
Francesco Napoleoni
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17 May
11:22 a.m.
In data lunedì 16 maggio 2022 22:00:55 CEST, Karen Lewellen ha scritto:
Hi Francisco,
Are you suggesting that musescore could generate notation from my voice
alone?
No, I’m not: MuseScore itself has not such capability. However you could feed
it with a MIDI file generated from your voice elsewhere, maybe using Sonic
Visualiser or other tools.
Or you could skip this step altogether and record your voice directly in
Ardour or any other DAW you like. Then you could do all the editing you need.
ciao
Francesco Napoleoni
5:28 p.m.
Karen,
There seems to be some confusion about exactly what you would like (or at
least I am a little confused), so perhaps some clarification can help.
On Sun, May 15, 2022 5:24 pm, Karen Lewellen wrote:
honestly, I do not have a direct Linux box itself, I
use shells, because I
have yet to find an adaptive workable tool...
I am not sure what you mean by the term adaptive. Do you have some sight
impairment like Jeanette and need tools that can accomodate that, or do
you just mean a tool that can adapt to your preferred work flow?
How possible might it be to use your singing voice
for composing?
...
what I mean is to sing the parts into your software of
choice, then using
that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc., then produce
that music in printable form?
What exactly do you want when you use the term composing?
Of course you can use a multi-track recorder and layer harmonies with your
voice.
By the term add orchestrations, do you mean add additional instruments in
addition to your vocal parts (which is of course possible with multi-track
recording), or do you mean convert the vocal parts into other
instrumentation?
Do you want to convert to MIDI data to drive synthesizers or samplers to
mimic traditional orchestration? And preferably convert to conventional
music notation as a final step?
Depending on what workflow you would like, I suspect that pitch-to-MIDI
may be the term you are looking for. That would involve recording a vocal
part, sending to pitch-to-MIDI to convert to MIDI data, then editing that
data to correct any errors in transcription, shift up or down by octaves
to account for differences between vocal range and instrument range, add
details which are difficult to sing, etc.
--
Chris Caudle
6:36 p.m.
Hi Chris,
will attempt to answer your questions, as respectfully as possible.
On Tue, 17 May 2022, Chris Caudle wrote:
Chris, I have been singing professionally for several years.
Increasingly I am starting to write songs as well. However as my voice is
my main instrument, and I desire other musicians to play what I write, I
desire getting those from my head and voice into a tool, use
instrumentation to fill in the gaps, and print the
results, tablaure rotational or both, and hand that sheet to musicians.
Is that more clear?
Karen,
There seems to be some confusion about exactly what you would like (or at
least I am a little confused), so perhaps some clarification can help.
Glad you are owning your confusion at least. smiles.
I am not sure what you mean by the term adaptive. Do
you have some sight
impairment like Jeanette and need tools that can accomodate that, or do
you just mean a tool that can adapt to your preferred work flow?
First, I do not know Jeanette personally but feel sure her life experience
is
unique. there are hundreds of millions of individuals using adaptive
technology, some due to vision, some due to dexterity, some due to print
challenges etc.
All of them accommodate their bodies based on their individual needs since
a shared label does not a shared experience make.
My goal was not to make this a body discussion.
Still as stated Linux is not ready for my body. Lets hope that is enough
to satisfy your interest without my having to list in likely meaningless
detail to those here the shortcomings of the system for me personally.
How possible might it be to use your singing
voice for composing?
...
what I mean is to sing the parts into your
software of choice, then using
that software to first add the orchestrations, playback etc., then produce
that music in printable form?
What exactly do you want when you use the term composing?
Of course you can use a multi-track recorder and layer harmonies with your
voice.
By the term add orchestrations, do you mean add additional instruments in
addition to your vocal parts (which is of course possible with multi-track
recording), or do you mean convert the vocal parts into other
instrumentation?
see above. do you now of a many track recorder able to print
the results
sung into that recorder?
Do you want to convert to MIDI data to drive
synthesizers or samplers to
mimic traditional orchestration?
Not unless I have no other way. I am not overly fond of the midi stuff
I have heard.
I prefer to set the basics with my voice alone, use instrumentation
options to fill in the orchestrations, and print from there.
And preferably convert to
conventional
music notation as a final step?
I wish to skip
the midi step leading to the conventional final product
for performance / recording with live musicians.
Depending on what workflow you would like, I suspect that pitch-to-MIDI
may be the term you are looking for. That would involve recording a vocal
part, sending to pitch-to-MIDI to convert to MIDI data, then editing that
data to correct any errors in transcription, shift up or down by octaves
to account for differences between vocal range and instrument range, add
details which are difficult to sing, etc.
Hmm, you may understand the essence of my
goal at least.
Why would midi be needful, and if so do you know of pitch to midi programs
I can investigate?
Will be researching the term myself, so thanks.
Kare
18 May
18 May
5:27 p.m.
On Tue, May 17, 2022 11:36 am, Karen Lewellen wrote:
do you know of a many track recorder able to print
the
results sung into that recorder?
I do not personally, but after a little research I believe that is just a
limit of my experience.
I wish to skip the midi step leading to the
conventional final product
for performance / recording with live musicians.
...
Why would midi be needful, and if so do you know of
pitch to
midi programs I can investigate?
The reason I suggested using MIDI as intermediate step is because I know
there are pitch-to-MIDI devices and software available, often used for
using a guitar or other instrument to control a synthesizer, and I know
that most music notation software can accept MIDI input and convert to
conventional notation.
To me that seems to fit in with the Unix philosophy of building solutions
from individual tools that specialize in a particular task.
However, I realize that my approach can be a little cumbersome, and that I
tend to not change tools easily even if a newer, better solution may be
available, so I searched the term "audio to music notation" and found that
there are indeed applications now which skip the intermediate formats and
can go directly from audio input to musical notation.
None of the integrated applications seem to be available for linux, which
explains why I have not seen them and why they are never discussed on the
linux audio users list, but they are available.
I see that Sibelius notation software is still around, which was
considered one of the two best (along with Finale) for many years. The
"Ultimate" edition includes audio to notation support, but seems to be
subscription only (i.e. you do not own a perpetual license, you purchase
the right to use the software on a per month or per year basis).
Besides being a good argument for using GPL software when available, that
also seems to me like a good incentive to use whatever version has export
to a standard format available (probably MusicXML is the most widely
supported) if you do not want your compositions to become stranded in a
proprietary format which becomes unsupported, or which you do not wish to
continue paying for in perpetuity.
--
Chris Caudle
19 May
19 May
7:21 p.m.
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 12:36:22PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2022, Chris Caudle wrote:
Karen, the way that you asked the question was somewhat confusing.
Karen,
There seems to be some confusion about exactly what you would like
(or at least I am a little confused), so perhaps some clarification
can help.
Glad you are owning your confusion at least. smiles. From the way you asked it, it seems you may not be
familiar with Rick
Moen's article (later expanded by Eric Raymond), "How To
Ask Questions
The Smart Way": http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
I would recommend reading that article.
Anyway...
In *outline*, with today's technology, there is broadly speaking only
one way to achieve what you desire. And that is to convert your voice
to MIDI data, to edit/arrange the MIDI data, and to finally output that
MIDI data as musical scores (for musicians/orchestra to play), or as
audio (using MIDI synths/samplers).
- A pitch-to-midi tool. Most likely this will be a software package of
some kind. Some such tools may do real-time pitch-to-midi
conversion; others may analyse (monophonic) recordings, and output
MIDI.
Either way, the tool will take audio of a voice as input, and will
output either a MIDI file or a MIDI stream.
- If your tool outputs a MIDI stream rather than a MIDI file, you will
need to capture that stream into a MIDI file.
- Once you have a MIDI file, you can load it into a MIDI sequencer and
perform whatever edits/arrangements/etc you desire. Typically, you
can preview what the resulting edit/arrangement will sound like, by
playing the MIDI data from the sequencer into a MIDI synthesizer or
sampler.
- If you are happy with the audio output from the synth/sampler, you
can record it as your final output. Otherwise, you could record it
into a multitrack recorder for further editing/mixing/mastering.
- If the sequencer supports displaying/printing MIDI files as musical
notation (e.g. Steinberg Cubase does), then you can print the
resulting musical scores.
Otherwise, you will need to load the MIDI files into a separate piece
of software in order to turn the MIDI into printable musical scores.
Which specific package to use for each of the steps is a matter of
choice.
Other people on this list can perhaps make recommendations.
Hopefully, that is helpful!
Sam
20 May
20 May
12:27 a.m.
Hi,
Given that on the various lists I posed my question, only a single person
expressed confusion, I respectfully differ.
As I freely stated that I did not anticipate a Linux solution, but was
hopeful , indicated my goal, and learned a great deal, I further differ
with your stance.
granted, I did arrive at the same information from elsewhere much faster
than here, perhaps? suggesting your smart questions guide might be at
fault?
best,
Karen
On Thu, 19 May 2022, Sam Kuper wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 12:36:22PM -0400, Karen
Lewellen wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2022, Chris Caudle wrote:
Karen, the way that you asked the question was somewhat confusing.
From the way you asked it, it seems you may not be familiar with Rick
Moen's article (later expanded by Eric Raymond), "How To Ask Questions
The Smart Way": http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
I would recommend reading that article.
Anyway...
In *outline*, with today's technology, there is broadly speaking only
one way to achieve what you desire. And that is to convert your voice
to MIDI data, to edit/arrange the MIDI data, and to finally output that
MIDI data as musical scores (for musicians/orchestra to play), or as
audio (using MIDI synths/samplers).
- A pitch-to-midi tool. Most likely this will be a software package of
some kind. Some such tools may do real-time pitch-to-midi
conversion; others may analyse (monophonic) recordings, and output
MIDI.
Either way, the tool will take audio of a voice as input, and will
output either a MIDI file or a MIDI stream.
- If your tool outputs a MIDI stream rather than a MIDI file, you will
need to capture that stream into a MIDI file.
- Once you have a MIDI file, you can load it into a MIDI sequencer and
perform whatever edits/arrangements/etc you desire. Typically, you
can preview what the resulting edit/arrangement will sound like, by
playing the MIDI data from the sequencer into a MIDI synthesizer or
sampler.
- If you are happy with the audio output from the synth/sampler, you
can record it as your final output. Otherwise, you could record it
into a multitrack recorder for further editing/mixing/mastering.
- If the sequencer supports displaying/printing MIDI files as musical
notation (e.g. Steinberg Cubase does), then you can print the
resulting musical scores.
Otherwise, you will need to load the MIDI files into a separate piece
of software in order to turn the MIDI into printable musical scores.
Which specific package to use for each of the steps is a matter of
choice.
Other people on this list can perhaps make recommendations.
Hopefully, that is helpful!
Sam
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Karen,
There seems to be some confusion about exactly what you would like
(or at least I am a little confused), so perhaps some clarification
can help.
Glad you are owning your confusion at least. smiles.
12:36 a.m.
and actually dupler, at least as advertised, provides its own means of
incorporating pitch into a daw, no midi required.
does not work in Linux however.
On Thu, 19 May 2022, Sam Kuper wrote:
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 12:36:22PM -0400, Karen
Lewellen wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2022, Chris Caudle wrote:
Karen, the way that you asked the question was somewhat confusing.
From the way you asked it, it seems you may not be familiar with Rick
Moen's article (later expanded by Eric Raymond), "How To Ask Questions
The Smart Way": http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
I would recommend reading that article.
Anyway...
In *outline*, with today's technology, there is broadly speaking only
one way to achieve what you desire. And that is to convert your voice
to MIDI data, to edit/arrange the MIDI data, and to finally output that
MIDI data as musical scores (for musicians/orchestra to play), or as
audio (using MIDI synths/samplers).
- A pitch-to-midi tool. Most likely this will be a software package of
some kind. Some such tools may do real-time pitch-to-midi
conversion; others may analyse (monophonic) recordings, and output
MIDI.
Either way, the tool will take audio of a voice as input, and will
output either a MIDI file or a MIDI stream.
- If your tool outputs a MIDI stream rather than a MIDI file, you will
need to capture that stream into a MIDI file.
- Once you have a MIDI file, you can load it into a MIDI sequencer and
perform whatever edits/arrangements/etc you desire. Typically, you
can preview what the resulting edit/arrangement will sound like, by
playing the MIDI data from the sequencer into a MIDI synthesizer or
sampler.
- If you are happy with the audio output from the synth/sampler, you
can record it as your final output. Otherwise, you could record it
into a multitrack recorder for further editing/mixing/mastering.
- If the sequencer supports displaying/printing MIDI files as musical
notation (e.g. Steinberg Cubase does), then you can print the
resulting musical scores.
Otherwise, you will need to load the MIDI files into a separate piece
of software in order to turn the MIDI into printable musical scores.
Which specific package to use for each of the steps is a matter of
choice.
Other people on this list can perhaps make recommendations.
Hopefully, that is helpful!
Sam
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Karen,
There seems to be some confusion about exactly what you would like
(or at least I am a little confused), so perhaps some clarification
can help.
Glad you are owning your confusion at least. smiles.
3:02 p.m.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 06:36:32PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
and actually dupler, at least as advertised, provides
its own means of
incorporating pitch into a daw, no midi required.
Are you sure?
"Your voice to *MIDI*, instantly"
Source: https://vochlea.com
"our *voice-to-MIDI* technology allows you to vocally lay down beats
and melodies"
Source: https://vochlea.com/products/dubler2
"Dubler 2 can turn any microphone into a MIDI controller"
Source:
https://www.engadget.com/dubler-2-can-turn-any-microphone-into-a-midi-contr…
In other words, Dupler seems to be essentially just another
audio-to-MIDI converter like Autoscore, etc (which I mentioned in an
earlier post to the list).
does not work in Linux however.
This is hardly Linux's fault. Dupler's manufacturer (Vochlea) has
chosen not to make it available for Linux.
Nor is Dupler free (as in freedom) :(
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Q: When is top-posting a bad thing?
12:47 a.m.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 05:21:22PM +0000, Sam Kuper wrote:
Which specific package to use for each of the steps is
a matter of
choice.
Other people on this list can perhaps make recommendations.
(And indeed, several good people have already done so :) )
Possibly of interest (the first article especially):
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/wildcat-canyon-autoscore-pro
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/variaudio-extracting-midi-audio-fil…
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/midi-basics-part-1
https://wealthysound.com/posts/convert-audio-to-midi-in-any-daw
https://uadforum.com/community/index.php?threads/fast-accurate-expressive-a…
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/ableton-live-midi-audio
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/making-notes
https://meteoritesound.com/best-real-time-audio-to-midi-plugins-application…
https://beatbars.com/en/a2m-au.html
https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2021/10/25/dodo-audio-midi-converter/
Note that although some of the pieces of software mentioned at the above
links are gratis, most of them are not free (as in freedom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Free_software&oldid=88202412…
.)
Sam
3:03 p.m.
Oh to be sure, several people fortified my seeking a suitable solution,
even if Linux is off the table for me personally.
After all I made it clear I cannot use Linux in this moment, which does
not mean such might remain impossible.
I learned from each post, regardless of information, and for this I am
thankful.
Karen
On Thu, 19 May 2022, Sam Kuper wrote:
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 05:21:22PM +0000, Sam Kuper
wrote:
Which specific package to use for each of the
steps is a matter of
choice.
Other people on this list can perhaps make recommendations.
(And indeed, several good people have already done so :) )
Possibly of interest (the first article especially):
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/wildcat-canyon-autoscore-pro
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/variaudio-extracting-midi-audio-fil…
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/midi-basics-part-1
https://wealthysound.com/posts/convert-audio-to-midi-in-any-daw
https://uadforum.com/community/index.php?threads/fast-accurate-expressive-a…
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/ableton-live-midi-audio
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/making-notes
https://meteoritesound.com/best-real-time-audio-to-midi-plugins-application…
https://beatbars.com/en/a2m-au.html
https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2021/10/25/dodo-audio-midi-converter/
Note that although some of the pieces of software mentioned at the above
links are gratis, most of them are not free (as in freedom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Free_software&oldid=88202412…
.)
Sam
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