5 Oct
2011
5 Oct
'11
10:17 a.m.
Absolutely OT, but of interest to all concerned about freedom
of information:
As of today, consulting the Italian Wikipedia will redirect
you to the Italian version of this page:
<http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Comunicato_4_ottobre_2011/en>
To put this in context, the law proposal referrred to is just
the latest attempt by the government to silence all voices
reporting on the many scandals that its leader, Silvio
Berlusconi, is involved in, ranging from corruption of judges
and witnesses to using the services of under-age prostitutes.
Greetings from Berlusconistan,
P.S.: Happy birthday Rui !
--
FA
5 Oct
5 Oct
11:54 a.m.
On 05/10/2011 10:17, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Absolutely OT, but of interest to all concerned about
freedom
of information:
This is so depressing.
As of today, consulting the Italian Wikipedia will redirect
you to the Italian version of this page:
<http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Comunicato_4_ottobre_2011/en>
Very good move by Wikipedia. Hopefully all of those ignorant, arrogant,
greasy portaborse [1], so-called journalist et. sim. will get into panic
mode as they cannot find any more cut-n-paste material...
To put this in context, the law proposal referrred to is just
the latest attempt by the government to silence all voices
reporting on the many scandals that its leader, Silvio
Berlusconi, is involved in, ranging from corruption of judges
and witnesses to using the services of under-age prostitutes.
sob.
Greetings from Berlusconistan,
P.S.: Happy birthday Rui !
Lorenzo.
[1] http://translate.google.com/#it|en|portaborse
12:32 p.m.
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:53:59 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton <lsutton(a)libero.it> wrote:
Very good move by Wikipedia. Hopefully all of those
ignorant,
arrogant, greasy portaborse [1], so-called journalist et. sim. will
get into panic mode as they cannot find any more cut-n-paste
material...
yes, very good move indeed. I certainly went into panic mode when I
found out yesterday :) I only wish there was something like an avaaz
petition to go with it.
cheers,
Renato
6:27 p.m.
Le 05/10/2011 12:30, Renato a écrit :
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:53:59 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton<lsutton(a)libero.it> wrote:
+1, exactly the good NGO to contact for this kind of fact.
Did you already done Renato ?
Very good move by Wikipedia. Hopefully all of
those ignorant,
arrogant, greasy portaborse [1], so-called journalist et. sim. will
get into panic mode as they cannot find any more cut-n-paste
material...
yes, very good move indeed. I certainly went into panic mode when I
found out yesterday :) I only wish there was something like an avaaz
petition to go with it.
cheers,
Renato
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6:49 p.m.
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:27:30 +0200
fred <f.rech(a)yahoo.fr> wrote:
Le 05/10/2011 12:30, Renato a écrit :
it's actually allready there and has +425k signatories ;)
http://www.avaaz.org/it/no_bavaglio_2/
renato
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:53:59 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton<lsutton(a)libero.it> wrote:
+1, exactly the good NGO to contact for this kind of fact.
Did you already done Renato ?
Very good move by Wikipedia. Hopefully all of
those ignorant,
arrogant, greasy portaborse [1], so-called journalist et. sim. will
get into panic mode as they cannot find any more cut-n-paste
material...
yes, very good move indeed. I certainly went into panic mode when I
found out yesterday :) I only wish there was something like an avaaz
petition to go with it.
12:26 p.m.
On 10/05/2011 10:17 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Absolutely OT, but of interest to all concerned about
freedom
of information:
As of today, consulting the Italian Wikipedia will redirect
you to the Italian version of this page:
<http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Comunicato_4_ottobre_2011/en>
To put this in context, the law proposal referrred to is just
the latest attempt by the government to silence all voices
reporting on the many scandals that its leader, Silvio
Berlusconi, is involved in, ranging from corruption of judges
and witnesses to using the services of under-age prostitutes.
Greetings from Berlusconistan,
P.S.: Happy birthday Rui !
Wow, this is just plain ridiculous. But isn't this conflicting with EU
rules, just like the 'one strike, you're out' proposal of two weeks ago?
Best,
Jeremy
1:37 p.m.
Very good that they spoke of it so boldly. Given how Wikipedia is part of
everybody's life today, I think this page alone has made a much more
profound impact on Italians than anything their present politicians have
ever done. Let's see how the public reacts.
Of course, if they do close Wikipedia for Italy, an underground one will
instantly pop up. I am betting some Italian php guys are already working on
it!
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2:24 p.m.
2011/10/5 Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com>
Very good that they spoke of it so boldly. Given how
Wikipedia is part of
everybody's life today, I think this page alone has made a much more
profound impact on Italians than anything their present politicians have
ever done. Let's see how the public reacts.
Of course, if they do close Wikipedia for Italy, an underground one will
instantly pop up. I am betting some Italian php guys are already working on
it!
being italian is actually such a shame...
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all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla
protesta violenta e viscerale.*
2:25 p.m.
I agree with you Raffaele. It's so depressing.
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2:29 p.m.
i agree with you too guys !
But we still resist and we will raise
Nicola
Il 05/10/2011 14:25, Giorgio - Audiophilo ha scritto:
I agree with you Raffaele. It's so depressing.
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/Sound engineer/
T.Rex Studio
www.trexstudio.com <http://www.trexstudio.com/>
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Il giorno 05 ottobre 2011 21:23, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> ha
scritto:
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 02:24:17PM +0200, Raffaele
Morelli wrote:
--
*L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne esista una, resta affidata
all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla
protesta violenta e viscerale.*
*L'unica speranza di catarsi, ammesso che ne
esista una, resta affidata
all'istinto di ribellione, alla rivolta non isterilita in progetti, alla
protesta violenta e viscerale.*
Who wrote that ?
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5 Oct
5 Oct
9:54 p.m.
Why are you surprised? They were the ones that invented
fascism.
--- On Wed, 10/5/11, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
[...]
> To put this in context, the law proposal
referrred to is just
> the latest attempt by the government to silence all voices
> reporting on the many scandals that its leader,
[...]
9:59 p.m.
SORRY TO RESPOND SO LOUD AND ON TOP, BUT THERE IS REALLY OT...
Le 05/10/2011 21:54, Ivan K a écrit :
Why are you surprised? They were the ones that
invented
fascism.
--- On Wed, 10/5/11, Fons Adriaensen<fons(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
[...]
> To put this in context, the law proposal referrred to is just
> the latest attempt by the government to silence all voices
> reporting on the many scandals that its leader,
[...]
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10:03 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 12:54:41PM -0700, Ivan K wrote:
Why are you surprised? They were the ones that
invented
fascism.
No they didn't. And actually, looking back into both distant
and recent history, Italy has *a lot* to be proud of, in fact
more than any other nation I know of. And I'm not Italian, just
a foreigner who has been living there for the last four years,
so I'm not defending my own backyard here.
Ciao,
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10:12 p.m.
About fascism... I must say if you read up history of ANY country, you will
find things one might not be proud of as well as to be proud of. There are
no
bad countries and good countries, there is just no such thing. The fascism
comment is similar to comments they tell me about Russia (and I am
Russian, although I have an Italian nick!), like - yeah, well what do you
want,
they had communism in Russia.
But this really says nothing, because a historical event of such proportion
has extremely complex effect on society in those countries and it is not
straightforward at all. In Russia, for instance, years of communism have
elevated
a strong individualistic approach when USSR was over, which is nowadays even
less evident in the
western countries than in Russia. So saying - well, Russians are all
communists - is simply being in error.
My point - is that if a country has a history of smth, you don't know if
that
experience made people favor it or hate it even more than outsiders.
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11:15 p.m.
Tough crowd.
--- On Wed, 10/5/11, Fons Adriaensen <fons(a)linuxaudio.org> wrote:
Why are you surprised? They were the ones that
invented
fascism.
No they didn't. And actually, looking back into both distant
and recent history, Italy has *a lot* to be proud of, in fact
more than any other nation I know of. And I'm not Italian, just
a foreigner who has been living there for the last four years,
so I'm not defending my own backyard here.
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