20 Oct
2006
20 Oct
'06
7:45 a.m.
Hello,
I currently use hydrogen for my drums, but for now, it is not 100% stable
with ecasound and Jack transport when it stops playing. And actually, it
stop Seq24 when I want to load another h2song; this is detrimental for me.
I'm lurking on Smack, but it needs OM to work as I have read, does it work
with Seq24 only ? if not, does something similar to Smack exists that
would not have any sequencer inside and should be sequenced with seq24 ?
Something very light and stable should be ok.
Thanks in advance for your advices.
Philippe
20 Oct
20 Oct
8:32 a.m.
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 11:45:34AM +0200, Dubphil wrote:
Hello,
I currently use hydrogen for my drums, but for now, it is not 100% stable
with ecasound and Jack transport when it stops playing. And actually, it
stop Seq24 when I want to load another h2song; this is detrimental for me.
Did you file a feature request for loading without stopping transport?
It might be difficult ... but if nobody even asks ...
I'm lurking on Smack, but it needs OM to work as I
have read, does it work
with Seq24 only ? if not, does something similar to Smack exists that
would not have any sequencer inside and should be sequenced with seq24 ?
Something very light and stable should be ok.
Smack is a collection of patches for Om, so it can't work without it.
I'm not aware of anything similar to either Hydrogen or Smack.
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10:15 a.m.
Thorsten Wilms wrote:
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 11:45:34AM +0200, Dubphil
wrote:
you can run smack with gneutronica:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gneutronica
without starting om, but dont know if you can compile smack without
compiling om?
cheers,
doc
Hello,
I currently use hydrogen for my drums, but for now, it is not 100% stable
with ecasound and Jack transport when it stops playing. And actually, it
stop Seq24 when I want to load another h2song; this is detrimental for me.
Did you file a feature request for loading without stopping transport?
It might be difficult ... but if nobody even asks ...
I'm lurking on Smack, but it needs OM to work
as I have read, does it work
with Seq24 only ? if not, does something similar to Smack exists that
would not have any sequencer inside and should be sequenced with seq24 ?
Something very light and stable should be ok.
Smack is a collection of patches for Om, so it can't work without it.
I'm not aware of anything similar to either Hydrogen or Smack.
10:32 a.m.
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 02:15:13PM +0200, Dragan Noveski wrote:
Which part of "Smack is a collection of patches for Om, so it can't
work without it." is unclear? :)
No running Om, no Smack. It doesn't matter which sequencer you
use to feed it with MIDI.
--
Thorsten Wilms
Smack is a collection of patches for Om, so it can't work without it.
I'm not aware of anything similar to either Hydrogen or Smack.
you can run smack with gneutronica:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gneutronica
without starting om, but dont know if you can compile smack without
compiling om? 
11:16 a.m.
--- Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
[...]
I'm not aware of anything similar to either
Hydrogen or Smack.
Gneutronica is somewhat similar to hydrogen, but it's strictly
a MIDI sequencer, it has no sounds of its own. Also, it's not
integrated with Jack. Someday maybe I'll get around to doing
that.
http://gneutronica.sourceforge.net/
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2:51 p.m.
Stephen Cameron wrote:
--- Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
[...]
i have gneutronica v0.33 here running with jack.
this release is about 2 or 3 months old.
cheers,
doc
I'm not aware of anything similar to either
Hydrogen or Smack.
Gneutronica is somewhat similar to hydrogen, but it's strictly
a MIDI sequencer, it has no sounds of its own. Also, it's not
integrated with Jack. Someday maybe I'll get around to doing
that.
http://gneutronica.sourceforge.net/
-- steve
8:50 a.m.
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Dubphil schrieb:
does something similar to Smack exists that
would not have any sequencer inside and should be sequenced with seq24 ?
Something very light and stable should be ok.
Specimen is very stable, light and flexible:
http://zhevny.com/specimen/
I play with it sometimes - using seq24 you get a cool groove with any
sounds you like to load into specimen within a few minutes. Very
intuitive way to roll your own fast and with fun.
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10:14 p.m.
On Friday 20 October 2006 14:46, Dubphil wrote:
Hmm, you should be abkle to start several instances i suppose. When patched up
with LASH support, it's no problem to work with several instances.. Or at
least so i thought. But it seems to simply fail when the jack name is taken
by a previous instance. Should be easy to fix i suppose..
Flo
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Specimen is
very stable, light and flexible:
Arrgh! Specimen would be exactly what I need if there was a mono or a
stereo audio output for each patch. But for now it is not the case... 
11:45 p.m.
On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 02:14 +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote:
On Friday 20 October 2006 14:46, Dubphil wrote:
Hmm, you should be abkle to start several instances i suppose. When patched up
with LASH support, it's no problem to work with several instances.. Or at
least so i thought. But it seems to simply fail when the jack name is taken
by a previous instance. Should be easy to fix i suppose..
If this is happening Specimen needs to be updated to use the new
jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new, which will automatically
pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc).
It's a trivial one line thing...
-DR-
Specimen
is very stable, light and flexible:
Arrgh! Specimen would be exactly what I need if there was a mono or a
stereo audio output for each patch. But for now it is not the case...
22 Oct
22 Oct
6:28 a.m.
Dave Robillard a écrit :
jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new, which
will automatically
pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc).
It's a trivial one line thing...
Here is the patch ;)
but unfortunately, running multiple instances is not the solution for
me; it is not manageable to have each element of the drums in a seperate
sequence window in seq24 :(
Best regards
Philippe
6:38 a.m.
On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 10:28 +0200, Dubphil wrote:
Dave Robillard a écrit :
Can't you connect the same seq24 pattern to multiple Specimens?
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jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new,
which will automatically
pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc).
It's a trivial one line thing...
Here is the patch ;)
but unfortunately, running multiple instances is not the solution for
me; it is not manageable to have each element of the drums in a seperate
sequence window in seq24 :(
4:03 p.m.
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Dubphil schrieb:
Lars Luthman a écrit :
If seq24 is built/configured to connect Midi via qjackctl-ports, those
ports can be handeled as known from other qjackctl-ports and thus, a
single seq24port can be connected to several other ports available in
the midi-panel of qjackctl...
Can't you connect the same seq24 pattern to
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6:46 p.m.
On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 11:00 +0200, Dubphil wrote:
Lars Luthman a écrit :
Late enough versions of seq24 just register normal alsa sequencer ports
for each sequence, so you can connect them in whatever configuration you
need with your patch bay.
Both seq24 and specimen have good LASH support as well, so you can save
the whole thing as one if it's complicated.
-DR-
Can't you connect the same seq24 pattern to
multiple Specimens ?
I didn't find how, because the way we connect the midi pattern to
another application is done with a drop down menu.
24 Oct
24 Oct
9:15 p.m.
New subject: sequencing Specimen with seq24 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24)
Late enough versions of seq24 just register normal
alsa sequencer ports
for each sequence, so you can connect them in whatever configuration you
need with your patch bay.
ok I've found how to connect one seq24 sequence to 4 specimen instances.
Now I was pretty sure that it was bossible to map the midi keyboard with
specimen, like having the bassdrum patch going to the C1 key only, for
example. But in fact I can't remind how to do this.
for the moment all the patchs of the four instances of specimen are
playing from the same key C4.
wierd...
Both seq24 and specimen have good LASH support as
well, so you can save
the whole thing as one if it's complicated.
I use the qjacktl patchbay, it is a wonderful tool, but there is something
odd with it; it cannot distinguish the midi input of several instances of
both specimen and zynaddsubfx.
any help would be very kind.
Regards
Philippe
27 Oct
27 Oct
9:13 p.m.
New subject: sequencing Specimen with seq24 (was Re: [linux-audio-user] Smack and Seq24)
Dubphil a écrit :
ok I've found how to connect one seq24 sequence to 4 specimen instances.
Now I was pretty sure that it was bossible to map the midi keyboard with
specimen, like having the bassdrum patch going to the C1 key only, for
example. But in fact I can't remind how to do this...
ok self answer ;)
it was just a matter of middle button click on the upper line of the
keyboard
not easy to find... I saw this on the screenshots of the specimen website.
Regards
Philippe
22 Oct
22 Oct
6:44 p.m.
On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 10:28 +0200, Dubphil wrote:
Dave Robillard a écrit :
That'll do it. Send it to the seq24 list, I don't think Rob reads LAU.
-DR-
jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new,
which will automatically
pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc).
It's a trivial one line thing...
Here is the patch ;)
7:12 p.m.
On Sunday 22 October 2006 22:43, Dave Robillard wrote:
On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 10:28 +0200, Dubphil wrote:
Erm, who was the specimen maintainer again? ;)
Flo
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Dave Robillard a écrit :
That'll do it. Send it to the seq24 list, I don't think Rob reads LAU. jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new,
which will automatically
pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc).
It's a trivial one line thing...
Here is the patch ;)
9:36 p.m.
On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 23:12 +0200, Florian Schmidt wrote:
On Sunday 22 October 2006 22:43, Dave Robillard
wrote:
Right right, Specimen. Hey, it says seq24 right in the topic, cut a guy
some slack :)
New specimen maintainer is Eric Dantan Rzewnicki (aka edrz)
<eric(a)zhevny.com>
-DR-
On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 10:28 +0200, Dubphil
wrote:
Erm, who was the specimen maintainer again? ;) Dave Robillard a écrit :
That'll do it. Send it to the seq24 list, I don't think Rob reads LAU. jack_client_open vs the old jack_client_new,
which will automatically
pick a new name by appending a number (eg specimen_1 specimen_2, etc).
It's a trivial one line thing...
Here is the patch ;) 
21 Oct
21 Oct
3:15 a.m.
On 10/20/06, Dubphil <dubphil(a)free.fr> wrote:
Hello,
I currently use hydrogen for my drums, but for now, it is not 100% stable
with ecasound and Jack transport when it stops playing. And actually, it
stop Seq24 when I want to load another h2song; this is detrimental for me.
I'm lurking on Smack, but it needs OM to work as I have read, does it work
with Seq24 only ? if not, does something similar to Smack exists that
would not have any sequencer inside and should be sequenced with seq24 ?
Something very light and stable should be ok.
Thanks in advance for your advices.
Philippe
Smack works with any midi sequencer, i just quite like seq24 ;) I also
like MusE. Smack doesn't have any internal sequencer, so gnutronica is
fine as a midi sequencer for it. It's very stable but not very light
on cpu compared to sampling. It is however very flexible, and if you
want Roland TR style stuff it's the tool for the job. If you want
realistic, it's not. ;) If you have any issues with smack feel free to
pester me with bug reports and feature requests.
Loki
3:28 a.m.
--- Loki Davison <loki.davison(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Smack works with any midi sequencer, i just quite like
seq24 ;) I also
like MusE. Smack doesn't have any internal sequencer, so gnutronica is
fine as a midi sequencer for it.
It's gneutronica. (rather than gnutronica)
\Originally, I imagined the name as Gnu Tattoo, as
this seemed the _perfect_ name for a new GPL licensed
drum machine software, and I was amazed to find the name
"gnue tattoo" still available. But, sourceforge wil not
allow anything to be named "gnu-anything", so I was forced
to come up with a name on the spot, so I made up gneutronice,
sticking the "e" in there to "get around" sourceforge's
restritction about projects being named "gnu-x"
I stil wish it could be named GNU Tattoo, as that is just a
freakin' cool name. (Note, Motley Crue named their first
new album with a drummer other than Tommy Lee as "new tattoo"
which I thought was pretty clever, esp. considering that it
is Motley Crue we're talking about here.... LOL.)
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8:24 a.m.
Le 21 Oct à 15:13, Loki Davison ecrivait:
Smack works with any midi sequencer, i just quite like
seq24 ;) I also
like MusE. Smack doesn't have any internal sequencer, so gnutronica is
fine as a midi sequencer for it. It's very stable but not very light
on cpu compared to sampling. It is however very flexible, and if you
want Roland TR style stuff it's the tool for the job. If you want
realistic, it's not. ;) If you have any issues with smack feel free to
pester me with bug reports and feature requests.
Hi, I have an issue :).
I try to build smack on gentoo, it's on the pro-audio overlay.
The first thing is that the ebuild needs to me modified to put this
: ESVN_REPO_URI="http://svn.codeson.net/flowcanvas" instead of
codeson.net/svn/flowcanvas or the svn can't be found. Then, boost is
needed to build flowcanvas or the configure fails. But all this is
pro-audio overlay specific, flowcanvas then seems to build normally.
The real problem is on the build of the cvs version of om, which
requires flowcanvas :
OmModule.h: In member function 'virtual OmGtk::OmPort* OmGtk::OmModule::port(const
std::string&)':
OmModule.h:55: erreur: 'port' is not a member of 'LibFlowCanvas::Module'
OmFlowCanvas.h: In member function 'OmGtk::OmModule*
OmGtk::OmFlowCanvas::find_module(const std::string&)':
OmFlowCanvas.h:41: erreur: 'find_module' is not a member of
'LibFlowCanvas::FlowCanvas'
make[4]: *** [App.o] Erreur 1
Boost 1.33.1, gtkmm 2.8.3 and libgnomecanvasmm 2.12.0 are installed.
I have not reached the build of smack itself, but would anybody
have an idea ?
Thanks in advance,
Y.
8:45 a.m.
On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 12:24:15PM +0200, Yves Potin wrote:
I try to build smack on gentoo, it's on
the pro-audio overlay.
The first thing is that the ebuild needs to me modified to put this
: ESVN_REPO_URI="http://svn.codeson.net/flowcanvas" instead of
codeson.net/svn/flowcanvas or the svn can't be found. Then, boost is
needed to build flowcanvas or the configure fails. But all this is
pro-audio overlay specific, flowcanvas then seems to build normally.
The real problem is on the build of the cvs version of om, which
requires flowcanvas :
OmModule.h: In member function 'virtual OmGtk::OmPort* OmGtk::OmModule::port(const
std::string&)':
OmModule.h:55: erreur: 'port' is not a member of 'LibFlowCanvas::Module'
OmFlowCanvas.h: In member function 'OmGtk::OmModule*
OmGtk::OmFlowCanvas::find_module(const std::string&)':
OmFlowCanvas.h:41: erreur: 'find_module' is not a member of
'LibFlowCanvas::FlowCanvas'
make[4]: *** [App.o] Erreur 1
Boost 1.33.1, gtkmm 2.8.3 and libgnomecanvasmm 2.12.0 are installed.
I have not reached the build of smack itself, but would anybody
have an idea ?
The flowcanvas from codeson.net is a newer version, right for ingen and
patchage from the same repo.
I don't know what version of Om you can get from the pro-audio overlay,
but the semi-official last tarball needs flowcanvas from the om cvs
at savannah.
As there's no versioning, old and new flowcanvas can not coexist.
An alternative might be building static
The old Om doesn't build with gcc 4.x, but older will do, btw.
The successor Ingen isn't ready to be used yet.
Note that all pre-codeson.net stuff isn't supported by Dave anymore
and shouldn't be brought up on the om list or the #ingen channel.
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