18 May
2010
18 May
'10
2:26 a.m.
Finding sites like http://www.vtmidi.org (featured on recent
http://www.fromthetop.org/?ft=2&f=510026 ) and having previously found cool
sites like http://www.blueman.name/Creations_XG.php or
http://www.strutter.plus.com/midi/ has got me thinking....
<http://www.blueman.name/Creations_XG.php>I'm wondering if anybody has
created a collaborative MIDI website. Kind of a midi wiki or midi
sourceforge.
With a "midi repository" using http://www.midi.org/dtds/midi_xml.php
representatio of
MIDI and rcs/cvs style diff repositories.
The site would compile out a midi stream that you could listen to, and you
could upload new versions or revisions back to the site....
Add ratings system so people can figure out what's worth listening to.
It would bring a whole new meaning to the dub concept of version, no?
Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
18 May
18 May
7:49 a.m.
That does sound very good! Reminds me a bit of resrocket back in the
90s where you could set up a room for a group of musicians to join and
work collaboratively on midi in realtime with irc type chat at the
same time. Sadly the company died, but it was a great idea (perhaps
before it's time).
On 18/05/2010, Niels Mayer <nielsmayer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Finding sites like http://www.vtmidi.org (featured on
recent
http://www.fromthetop.org/?ft=2&f=510026 ) and having previously found cool
sites like http://www.blueman.name/Creations_XG.php or
http://www.strutter.plus.com/midi/ has got me thinking....
<http://www.blueman.name/Creations_XG.php>I'm wondering if anybody has
created a collaborative MIDI website. Kind of a midi wiki or midi
sourceforge.
With a "midi repository" using http://www.midi.org/dtds/midi_xml.php
representatio of
MIDI and rcs/cvs style diff repositories.
The site would compile out a midi stream that you could listen to, and you
could upload new versions or revisions back to the site....
Add ratings system so people can figure out what's worth listening to.
It would bring a whole new meaning to the dub concept of version, no?
Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
7:56 a.m.
How would such a site work?
Is the idea to share midi patterns? Melodies? Whole songs?
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:49 AM, James Stone <jamesmstone(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That does sound very good! Reminds me a bit of
resrocket back in the
90s where you could set up a room for a group of musicians to join and
work collaboratively on midi in realtime with irc type chat at the
same time. Sadly the company died, but it was a great idea (perhaps
before it's time).
On 18/05/2010, Niels Mayer <nielsmayer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Finding sites like http://www.vtmidi.org
(featured on recent
http://www.fromthetop.org/?ft=2&f=510026 ) and having previously found
cool
sites like
http://www.blueman.name/Creations_XG.php or
http://www.strutter.plus.com/midi/ has got me thinking....
<http://www.blueman.name/Creations_XG.php>I'm wondering if anybody has
created a collaborative MIDI website. Kind of a midi wiki or midi
sourceforge.
With a "midi repository" using http://www.midi.org/dtds/midi_xml.php
representatio of
MIDI and rcs/cvs style diff repositories.
The site would compile out a midi stream that you could listen to, and
you
could upload new versions or revisions back to
the site....
Add ratings system so people can figure out what's worth listening to.
It would bring a whole new meaning to the dub concept of version, no?
Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
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25 May
25 May
10:38 p.m.
Hi Niels,
On May 18, 2010, at 2:26 AM, Niels Mayer wrote:
Finding sites like http://www.vtmidi.org (featured on
recent http://www.fromthetop.org/?ft=2&f=510026 ) and having previously found cool
sites like http://www.blueman.name/Creations_XG.php or http://www.strutter.plus.com/midi/
has got me thinking....
I'm wondering if anybody has created a collaborative MIDI website. Kind of a midi
wiki or midi sourceforge.
With a "midi repository" using http://www.midi.org/dtds/midi_xml.php
representatio of MIDI and rcs/cvs style diff repositories.
http://ccmixter.org/ might be an option; AFAIK they don't have an online MIDI
database; but it's backend 'ccHost' is GPL.
The site would compile out a midi stream that you
could listen to, and you could upload new versions or revisions back to the site....
not quite the whole thing; but the wiki.linuxaudio.org understands ABC midi
notation and can generate .pdf as well as .mid files using
http://www.dokuwiki.org/plugin:abc
for an example see http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/abcmiditutorial
ABC certainly lacks a few crucial features for complex arrangements; and for doing truly
collaborative works you'll certainly want something more sophisticated.
Anyway with a wiki you get a revision and diff system for free; it's quite handy when
'brainstorming' on musical themes, melody lines or for sharing basic ideas. You
can also work collaboratively, though not at the same time.
It's not exactly what you had in mind but maybe a first step.
Add ratings system so people can figure out what's
worth listening to.
indeed, and you'll also want tagging; and an artist-index with avatars :)
It would bring a whole new meaning to the dub concept of version, no?
LOL, go for it :)
Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
26 May
26 May
5:56 p.m.
Robin --
Many thanks for the information and perspective you provided. I too
thought ABC might be a good possibility; would MusicXML be an
improvement?:
http://musicxml.org/dtds/midixml.html ... I also found this:
http://staff.dasdeck.de/valentin/midi/
FYI -- my father sent me this link to NYT article which is *very*
interesting, not quite what i was looking for, but interesting "proof
of concept" (and indication of public interest in this sort of thing)
nonetheless....
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/compose-your-own/
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http://turbulence.org/spotlight/pianoetudes/net.jasonfreeman.pianoetudes.Pi…
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Thank you for your interest in composing your own version of Piano
Etudes. To create your own version and share it with other readers of
The Score, a series of writings by composers on The New York Times’
Web site, follow these steps.
1. Click on an etude below to begin creating your own version.
2. Once you are happy with your version, click the sharing menu on the
left side of the screen, click the “Save and share my etude” link, and
then click the button labeled “submit to a special gallery for readers
of The Score.”
...
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http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/compose-your-own-part-2/
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In a recent post on The Score, I invited readers to use an interactive
Web site to create and share their own unique versions of four solo
piano etudes, regardless of their background in music or in
composition. The Web site presents each etude as a graphical
“open-form” collection of short musical fragments that can be arranged
in an almost infinite number of ways.
Readers submitted nearly 100 remixes to a special gallery on the
project’s Web site. (I listened to all of them and selected my
favorite version of each etude. The pianist Jenny Lin then printed out
the scores for these four versions, practiced them, and recorded them
at Patrych Sound Studios in New York. Video clips of her performing
each one have been added below.
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The author : "Jason Freeman has written music for the American
Composers Orchestra and created Internet art for Rhizome and
Turbulence. He lives in Atlanta, where he is an assistant professor at
the Center for Music Technology at Georgia Tech. His Web site is
http://jasonfreeman.net "
-- Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
8:46 p.m.
Niels Mayer wrote:
Robin --
Many thanks for the information and perspective you provided. I too
thought ABC might be a good possibility; would MusicXML be an
improvement?:
It certainly offers more possibilities. ABC is only a subset.
MusicXML has it's shortcomings - as presented by Reinhold Kainhofer this
years LAC: http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2010/?page=program - but these are
mostly limitations concerning typesetting not MIDI/Musical ones.
http://musicxml.org/dtds/midixml.html ... I also found
this:
http://staff.dasdeck.de/valentin/midi/
http://staff.dasdeck.de/valentin/midi/sequencer.php is fun to toy around
with (there goes another half-hour of precious time). The sources are
available for download but there's no license with them. mmh.
We're also drifting a bit off topic: an archive or revision system for
midi compositions is not the same an online midi-remix platform; though
the latter could make use of the former.
From the subject I gather that you were only looking
for such a system,
but from the text you wrote in previous emails you were also
hinting at
creating one..
building a web-archive is probably not too complicated; gaining critical
mass and maintaining it is. I don't know if any ccHost or freesound devs
are subscribed to LAD; but reaching out to those seems like a wise step
to do.
As for potential users & use-cases; maybe "Packet In" (formerly the
Linux-Audio-User Chillout Band) can provide some input.
FYI -- my father sent me this link to NYT article
which is *very*
interesting, not quite what i was looking for, but interesting "proof
of concept" (and indication of public interest in this sort of thing)
nonetheless....
yeah; I was suprised to learn that "only 12.6 percent of American adults
play a musical instrument even once per year."
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/compose-your-own/
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http://turbulence.org/spotlight/pianoetudes/net.jasonfreeman.pianoetudes.Pi…
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http://turbulence.org/spotlight/pianoetudes/net.jasonfreeman.pianoetudes.Pi…
They don't work here with Firefox on Linux :/
////////////// //////////////
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////////////// ////////////// //////////////
Thank you for your interest in composing your own version of Piano
Etudes. To create your own version and share it with other readers of
The Score, a series of writings by composers on The New York Times’
Web site, follow these steps.
1. Click on an etude below to begin creating your own version.
2. Once you are happy with your version, click the sharing menu on the
left side of the screen, click the “Save and share my etude” link, and
then click the button labeled “submit to a special gallery for readers
of The Score.”
...
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http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/compose-your-own-part-2/
-->
http://turbulence.org/spotlight/pianoetudes/net.jasonfreeman.pianoetudes.Pi…
////////////// ////////////// //////////////
////////////// ////////////// //////////////
In a recent post on The Score, I invited readers to use an interactive
Web site to create and share their own unique versions of four solo
piano etudes, regardless of their background in music or in
composition. The Web site presents each etude as a graphical
“open-form” collection of short musical fragments that can be arranged
in an almost infinite number of ways.
Readers submitted nearly 100 remixes to a special gallery on the
project’s Web site. (I listened to all of them and selected my
favorite version of each etude. The pianist Jenny Lin then printed out
the scores for these four versions, practiced them, and recorded them
at Patrych Sound Studios in New York. Video clips of her performing
each one have been added below.
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It certainly oversimplifies the process of composition and comparing it
with Stockhausen's Fragments (from TFA) is IMO kind of ridiculous.
Etudes are pieces to perfect one technical skills on an instrument; so
building an "Etude remixer" is even more questionable.
That being said, it's still a nice prove-of-concept.
best,
robin
The author : "Jason Freeman has written music for
the American
Composers Orchestra and created Internet art for Rhizome and
Turbulence. He lives in Atlanta, where he is an assistant professor at
the Center for Music Technology at Georgia Tech. His Web site is
http://jasonfreeman.net "
-- Niels
http://nielsmayer.com
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