12 Sep
2014
12 Sep
'14
7:13 p.m.
Hey all,
So I know a standard exists for Pro tools to save to a interchangeable format for import
to Mixbus via a 3rd party software app. Forget the names.
Point is, it would be awesome to be able to save basic sessions in Ardour and be able to
import the track info, edits, etc, into say, Qtractor or Muse or whatever.
What's out there per open source or proprietary solutions. Is this something that
could be collaborated on in house so to speak?
I use Mixbus for the most part. But for live recording on an older sony Vaio, it's
just too much of a CPU pig! Qtractor is a 1st choice solution for me. After the session
has been saved, it would be great to be able to import that session to Ardour / Mixbus.
Lining up all track data manually is a pita!
Thoughts? Work arounds? Other open source DAW's?
Fanx! :)
~ Russell
12 Sep
12 Sep
7:22 p.m.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Russell Hanaghan
<hanaghan.osaudio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So I know a standard exists for Pro tools to save to a
interchangeable format for import to Mixbus via a 3rd party software app. Forget the
names.
http://www.aatranslator.com.au/
Point is, it would be awesome to be able to save basic
sessions in Ardour and be able to import the track info, edits, etc, into say, Qtractor or
Muse or whatever.
What's out there per open source or proprietary solutions. Is this something that
could be collaborated on in house so to speak?
Scripts, python perhaps. Ardour
sessions are XML, QTractor sessions
are XML, Luppp uses JSON. All easy to work with in Python. Extract #
audio tracks, and audio-regions, convert to "unified" format in Python
script, export "unified python" to whatever target DAW.
Thoughts?
Yes, have thought about this, and
discussed with Rui / Paul on #irc :)
Work arounds? Other open source DAW's?
No
need, this just needs "doing". Developer time, and priority of #
of users for such functionality are the things to overcome here IMO.
HTH, -Harry
---
www.openavproductions.com
7:35 p.m.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Russell Hanaghan <
hanaghan.osaudio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
So I know a standard exists for Pro tools to save to a interchangeable
format for import to Mixbus via a 3rd party software app. Forget the names.
Point is, it would be awesome to be able to save basic sessions in Ardour
and be able to import the track info, edits, etc, into say, Qtractor or
Muse or whatever.
What's out there per open source or proprietary solutions. Is this
something that could be collaborated on in house so to speak?
I use Mixbus for the most part. But for live recording on an older sony
Vaio, it's just too much of a CPU pig! Qtractor is a 1st choice solution
for me. After the session has been saved, it would be great to be able to
import that session to Ardour / Mixbus. Lining up all track data manually
is a pita!
Thoughts? Work arounds? Other open source DAW's?
I use AATranslater to move sessions between different DAWs, but it only
support Ardour2/Mixbus for import/export and Ardour3 for import only, as
far as open source session formats go. Easiest thing to do is to export all
stems (Ardour3 does this quite easily) and then just import those back into
another DAW as a group. Most will automatically align the tracks to session
start or to playhead/edit point.
--
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it
would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
7:53 p.m.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:26:45 -0400
Brett McCoy <idragosani(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I use AATranslater to move sessions between different
DAWs, but it only
support Ardour2/Mixbus for import/export and Ardour3 for import only, as
far as open source session formats go. Easiest thing to do is to export all
stems (Ardour3 does this quite easily) and then just import those back into
another DAW as a group. Most will automatically align the tracks to session
start or to playhead/edit point.
Came here to say exactly this. Trying to get stems from some people has
been like pulling teeth for me; others bring sessions to me with no access
to the original DAW, usually naively assuming that I have every DAW ever made
available to me. AATrasnslator's been a big win for these cases.
When I'm done with a session, the client gets both effected and uneffected
stems along with the final mixes. Everybody's always been happy with that.
--
======================================================================
Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh(a)brainiac.com
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa
8:28 p.m.
On Sep 12, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Joe Hartley
<jh(a)brainiac.com> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:26:45 -0400
Brett McCoy <idragosani(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, $60us by the looks? Not too much money by any means if it works reliably.
Just curious if any devs are into writing something simple? I can provide testing
assistance only. Just sounds like a cool and relative thing to have in the open source
world.
I use AATranslater to move sessions between
different DAWs, but it only
support Ardour2/Mixbus for import/export and Ardour3 for import only, as
far as open source session formats go. Easiest thing to do is to export all
stems (Ardour3 does this quite easily) and then just import those back into
another DAW as a group. Most will automatically align the tracks to session
start or to playhead/edit point.
Came here to say exactly this. Trying to get stems from some people has
been like pulling teeth for me; others bring sessions to me with no access
to the original DAW, usually naively assuming that I have every DAW ever made
available to me. AATrasnslator's been a big win for these cases.
When I'm done with a session, the client gets both effected and uneffected
stems along with the final mixes. Everybody's always been happy with that. 
8:35 p.m.
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:15:26 -0700
Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan.osaudio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, $60us by the looks? Not too much money by any
means if it works reliably.
Is this some new form of high frequency trading? Dollars per microsecond :o
OKOK just getting my coat :)
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
8:41 p.m.
~ Russell
On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Will Godfrey
<willgodfrey(a)musically.me.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:15:26 -0700
Russell Hanaghan <hanaghan.osaudio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Funny! :)
Yet, I sure feel like I live in that kind of world somedays!!
In John Hurt voice: " I am NOT an ANIMAL! I am a musician!!"
Aka, GREENBAKS baby!
Hmm, $60us by the looks? Not too much money by
any means if it works reliably.
Is this some new form of high frequency trading? Dollars per microsecond :o
OKOK just getting my coat :)
14 Sep
14 Sep
1:25 p.m.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Russell Hanaghan <
hanaghan.osaudio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, $60us by the looks? Not too much money by any means if it works
reliably.
Just curious if any devs are into writing something simple? I can provide
testing assistance only. Just sounds like a cool and relative thing to have
in the open source world.
when it comes to translating from one DAW format to another, there is no
such thing as "simple".
the people behind AATranslator are a veritable font of knowledge about this
stuff, and it cannot be stressed enough how much work they have done and
how much they have had to discover.
no other attempt at such a tool has ever succeeded - there was one other
tool which Solid State purchased but its existence now seems hard to spot.
1:56 p.m.
On Sunday 14 September 2014 09:25:01 Paul Davis wrote:
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Russell Hanaghan
<
hanaghan.osaudio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yep. I had tried to start an openDAW discussion/project a few years back, with
a common XML-based intermediary referencing pcm files/segments. The existence
of a proprietary-binary "AAF" library was called to my attention with some
intent of releasing a XML/text based version. A few DAW programs support AAF.
Have not heard much since.
Hmm, $60us by the looks? Not too much money by
any means if it works
reliably.
Just curious if any devs are into writing something simple? I can provide
testing assistance only. Just sounds like a cool and relative thing to
have
in the open source world.
when it comes to translating from one DAW format to another, there is no
such thing as "simple".
the people behind AATranslator are a veritable font of knowledge about this
stuff, and it cannot be stressed enough how much work they have done and
how much they have had to discover.
no other attempt at such a tool has ever succeeded - there was one other
tool which Solid State purchased but its existence now seems hard to spot.
1:59 p.m.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:56 AM, David Baron <d_baron(a)012.net.il> wrote:
On Sunday 14 September 2014 09:25:01 Paul Davis
wrote:
this
AAF is actually a relatively open specification BUT
* it has every hallmark of design-by-committee
* it is vastly more centered on broadcast and video than on typical DAW
scenarios
* the spec includes an explicit dependence on Microsoft "structured
storage format",
which is essentially a filesystem-in-a-file, and this part is
somewhat opaque
although there are attempts at an open source implementation
I wouldn't put a minute of my time into AAF support. It is a dinosaur, in
every sense of that word.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Russell Hanaghan
<
hanaghan.osaudio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm, $60us by the looks? Not too much money by any means if it works
> reliably.
>
> Just curious if any devs are into writing something simple? I can
provide
testing
assistance only. Just sounds like a cool and relative thing to
have
in the open source world.
when it comes to translating from one DAW format to another, there is no
such thing as "simple".
the people behind AATranslator are a veritable font of knowledge about stuff, and it cannot be stressed enough how much
work they have done and
how much they have had to discover.
no other attempt at such a tool has ever succeeded - there was one other
tool which Solid State purchased but its existence now seems hard to
spot.
Yep. I had tried to start an openDAW discussion/project a few years back,
with
a common XML-based intermediary referencing pcm files/segments. The
existence
of a proprietary-binary "AAF" library was called to my attention with some
intent of releasing a XML/text based version. A few DAW programs support
AAF.
Have not heard much since.
__________________________
4:48 p.m.
~ Russell
On Sep 14, 2014, at 6:25 AM, Paul Davis
<paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
Thanks to all for input.
So the short version is "No" & and the most usable option regarding session
conversion is AAtranslator. That, or suck it up and import .wav files to new session
manually.
Thanks,
R
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Russell Hanaghan
<hanaghan.osaudio(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, $60us by the looks? Not too much money by any means if it works reliably.
Just curious if any devs are into writing something simple? I can provide testing
assistance only. Just sounds like a cool and relative thing to have in the open source
world.
when it comes to translating from one DAW format to another, there is no such thing as
"simple".
the people behind AATranslator are a veritable font of knowledge about this stuff, and it
cannot be stressed enough how much work they have done and how much they have had to
discover.
no other attempt at such a tool has ever succeeded - there was one other tool which Solid
State purchased but its existence now seems hard to spot. 
5:56 p.m.
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 09:47 -0700, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
That, or suck it up and import .wav files to new
session manually.
.wav and .mid, not only .wav :p.
You asked for good reasons, for something within Linux, but OTOH, the
world is big, others might ask for something exotic, e.g. to transform
from Fairlight to Qtractor and vice versa. I only touched one Fairlight
workstation in my live and it was broken :D, already before I touched
it ;).
Could you share Ardour2 and Ardour3 sessions, without issues?
IMO before thinking about converting between different programs, we
should be happy, if we can use sessions, done with different versions of
the same software. Linux is for hobby usage, not for professional usage.
That's it!
--
The SMPS is the 10 plagues of Egypt concentrate into one plague.
6:59 p.m.
~ Russell
On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, I wonder if the devs of say Ardour or similar efforts would agree on the amateur /
hobbiest statement. :) Also, Mixbus is not a "hobby" oriented tool at all!! Last
I checked it rolls on a Linux platform and was adapted to other OS'. Don't think
Harrison is in the "hobby" biz. Yet, I digress.
The point was to use something far less resource hungry on older gear that just boots into
the tracking software to record live shows. Then import/export the session. As the
rhetoric unravels, I realize this is not a strong use case. All things being equal, all
live tracks begin at the same point in time. Importing these tracks is easy as a result.
It would, however, be nice to export a Mixbus session (again, compensating for older
laptop in this case) to something lighter for edits, etc. Again, thinking this thru,
it's not really a practical solution.
As far as the big world is concerned and it's software tool chests in all things
audio... I'm not a Linux snob! I'm an advocate of using whatever it takes to get
the thing done at a memorable level o quality. That can include proprietary and non free
tools. I still use windows for some stuff. And osx/iOS... On planet Linux, it's easy
to distract oneself from the music and lose the plot! I often will work on 'nuts n
bolts" stuff that turns into some kind of personal challenge which results in
"we worked so hard to see if we could, we didn't stop to consider if we
should!!" (Fairlight may have been an exception! Turned out to be one of the most
flexible tools of its time :) Some of it is best compared to the writer who has cleaned
their desk, sharpened all their pencils, pulled a fresh notepad, aligned everything
geometrically upon said desk... And written zip!!
I joined up on LAU around 2000. The point then was to make music but have a whole new tool
chest opened relative to digital music recording, editing & mixing.
Occasionally I have to remind myself & and remember the point is still music!!
Cheers!
R
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 09:47 -0700, Russell
Hanaghan wrote:
That, or suck it up and import .wav files to new session manually.
.wav and .mid, not only .wav :p.
You asked for good reasons, for something within Linux, but OTOH, the
world is big, others might ask for something exotic, e.g. to transform
from Fairlight to Qtractor and vice versa. I only touched one Fairlight
workstation in my live and it was broken :D, already before I touched
it ;).
Could you share Ardour2 and Ardour3 sessions, without issues?
IMO before thinking about converting between different programs, we
should be happy, if we can use sessions, done with different versions of
the same software. Linux is for hobby usage, not for professional usage.
That's it!
7:15 p.m.
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 11:59 -0700, Russell Hanaghan wrote:
~ Russell
You are right :), I just wanted to point out the extremes. IMO we
reached a point where different approaches of using digital technology
can't be transformed anymore. If you're using approach a, you can't
transform it for usage with the approach of workstation b. Btw. there is
nothing as professional and non-professional anymore. There are still a
few capitalistic standards and societies, but with or without old school
professional engineers, music industry is history. Nowadays musicians
have the chance to use the Internet, there's no need for professional
audio studios, no need for mafia collecting societies. For creativity
it's a big advantage, just audio quality usually suffers from the new
kind of world view, when amp emulating algorithms used with bad pre-amps
should be able to emulate real analog instruments amps etc., or people
never learned to use EQs and instead they flatten everything using
compressors.
On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
Hmm, I wonder if the devs of say Ardour or similar efforts would agree on the amateur /
hobbiest statement. :) Also, Mixbus is not a "hobby" oriented tool at all!! Last
I checked it rolls on a Linux platform and was adapted to other OS'. Don't think
Harrison is in the "hobby" biz. Yet, I digress.
The point was to use something far less resource hungry on older gear that just boots
into the tracking software to record live shows. Then import/export the session. As the
rhetoric unravels, I realize this is not a strong use case. All things being equal, all
live tracks begin at the same point in time. Importing these tracks is easy as a result.
It would, however, be nice to export a Mixbus session (again, compensating for older
laptop in this case) to something lighter for edits, etc. Again, thinking this thru,
it's not really a practical solution.
As far as the big world is concerned and it's software tool chests in all things
audio... I'm not a Linux snob! I'm an advocate of using whatever it takes to get
the thing done at a memorable level o quality. That can include proprietary and non free
tools. I still use windows for some stuff. And osx/iOS... On planet Linux, it's easy
to distract oneself from the music and lose the plot! I often will work on 'nuts n
bolts" stuff that turns into some kind of personal challenge which results in
"we worked so hard to see if we could, we didn't stop to consider if we
should!!" (Fairlight may have been an exception! Turned out to be one of the most
flexible tools of its time :) Some of it is best compared to the writer who has cleaned
their desk, sharpened all their pencils, pulled a fresh notepad, aligned everything
geometrically upon said desk... And written zip!!
I joined up on LAU around 2000. The point then was to make music but have a whole new
tool chest opened relative to digital music recording, editing & mixing.
Occasionally I have to remind myself & and remember the point is still music!!
Cheers!
R On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 09:47 -0700, Russell
Hanaghan wrote:
That, or suck it up and import .wav files to new session manually.
.wav and .mid, not only .wav :p.
You asked for good reasons, for something within Linux, but OTOH, the
world is big, others might ask for something exotic, e.g. to transform
from Fairlight to Qtractor and vice versa. I only touched one Fairlight
workstation in my live and it was broken :D, already before I touched
it ;).
Could you share Ardour2 and Ardour3 sessions, without issues?
IMO before thinking about converting between different programs, we
should be happy, if we can use sessions, done with different versions of
the same software. Linux is for hobby usage, not for professional usage.
That's it! 
15 Sep
15 Sep
4:55 p.m.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:15:02 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
You are right :), I just wanted to point out the
extremes. IMO we
reached a point where different approaches of using digital technology
can't be transformed anymore. If you're using approach a, you can't
transform it for usage with the approach of workstation b.
There is always the option of using wave files, or rendering tracks to
.wav and then import them.
--
Joakim
6:03 p.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: Common DAW session save / import
On Mon, 2014-09-15 at 18:55 +0200, Joakim Hernberg wrote:
There is always the option of using wave files, or
rendering tracks to
.wav and then import them.
From the beginning to the end, you also can do this for
.mid files, it's
just hard to share the edited files, the clips and automation.
8:25 p.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: Common DAW session save / import
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:03:39 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2014-09-15 at 18:55 +0200, Joakim Hernberg
wrote:
Yes, if you have edits, fx or automation you'd have to render each
track before moving it into another daw, on the other hand the same
was/is true of tape..
--
Joakim
There is always the option of using wave files,
or rendering tracks
to .wav and then import them.
From the beginning to the end, you also can do this for .mid files,
it's just hard to share the edited files, the clips and automation.
14 Sep
14 Sep
6:12 p.m.
There only is one thing we can share all over the world, recorded in
different decades: analog tapes
The only important requirement is that the analog tapes were archived
correctly, e.g. winded back to avoid audible magnetic delays.
--
The SMPS is the 10 plagues of Egypt concentrate into one plague.
6:39 p.m.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com>
wrote:
There only is one thing we can share all over the
world, recorded in
different decades: analog tapes
Well, not quite. Sheet music is quite playable after many centuries. And
no special machines are needed :)
--
**** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
6:56 p.m.
On Sun, 2014-09-14 at 11:39 -0700, Bob van der Poel wrote:
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
There only is one thing we can share all over the world,
recorded in
different decades: analog tapes
Well, not quite. Sheet music is quite playable after many centuries.
And no special machines are needed :)
Ok, you're right. OTOH sheet music has two disadvantages:
1. It's not perfect, the notation is unable to archive the ms I used to
push my guitar's whammy bar and the notation doesn't archive the
detuning after doing this with my pre-Floyd-Rose-and-co-whammy-bar.
2. It does neither take care about sensitive phrasing, nor about the
sound of the used instruments.
Sheet music isn't a recording! You need musicians, you can't share just
a magnetic tape or some computer files.
10:50 p.m.
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:39:45 -0700 Bob van der Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca>
wrote:
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I think the people and orchestras hunting down historic instruments to
recreate the original setting for certain pieces will disagree with you
on this one.
- Arnold
There only is one thing we can share all over the
world, recorded in
different decades: analog tapes
Well, not quite. Sheet music is quite playable after many centuries.
And no special machines are needed :)
11:21 p.m.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Arnold Krille <arnold(a)arnoldarts.de> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:39:45 -0700 Bob van der Poel
<bob(a)mellowood.ca>
wrote:
Well, I did say this with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek while
transcribing some Haydn. But, despite the fact that my little group will
be playing it with totally different instruments, etc. ... I'm sure that
Papa would recognize his tune. My point is that a piece of paper is very
"archival" ... a piece of tape or a shiny plastic disk in 100 or 200 years?
--
**** Listen to my FREE CD at http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
EMAIL: bob(a)mellowood.ca
WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I think the people and orchestras hunting down historic instruments to
recreate the original setting for certain pieces will disagree with you
on this one.
There only is one thing we can share all over the
world, recorded in
different decades: analog tapes
Well, not quite. Sheet music is quite playable after many centuries.
And no special machines are needed :)
11:28 p.m.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Bob van der Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Arnold Krille <arnold(a)arnoldarts.de>
wrote:
Case in point... some lute tablature from the late 1500s...
http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/home/index.php?DRIS_ID=MS410_003
--
Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.brettwmccoy.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it
would overturn the world."
-- Jelaleddin Rumi
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:39:45 -0700 Bob van der
Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca>
wrote:
Well, I did say this with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek while
transcribing some Haydn. But, despite the fact that my little group will
be playing it with totally different instruments, etc. ... I'm sure that
Papa would recognize his tune. My point is that a piece of paper is very
"archival" ... a piece of tape or a shiny plastic disk in 100 or 200 years?
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
I think the people and orchestras hunting down historic instruments to
recreate the original setting for certain pieces will disagree with you
on this one.
There only is one thing we can share all over the
world, recorded in
different decades: analog tapes
Well, not quite. Sheet music is quite playable after many centuries.
And no special machines are needed :) 
22 Sep
22 Sep
7:14 a.m.
Am Sonntag, 14. September 2014, 19:28:24 schrieb Brett McCoy:
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Bob van der Poel
<bob(a)mellowood.ca> wrote:
I for one can read that, even play sightreading right away from such a tablature,
and transcribing it to a digital format (abctab or Wayne Cripps' lutetab for example)
would typically take a couple of hours per piece, and give the possibility to create a
midi file or even some score representation by the according interpreter or processing cli
app.
Anyway, AFAIK museums, collections or archives of manuscripts have to put substantial
amounts of work in conserving manuscripts, as they usually start to suffer from
"Tintenfraß" (ink corrosion) after a few centuries.
But, isn't this getting slightly OT ?
Edgar
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Arnold Krille <arnold(a)arnoldarts.de>
wrote:
Case in point... some lute tablature from the late 1500s...
http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/home/index.php?DRIS_ID=MS410_003
On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:39:45 -0700 Bob van der
Poel <bob(a)mellowood.ca>
wrote:
Well, I did say this with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek while
transcribing some Haydn. But, despite the fact that my little group will
be playing it with totally different instruments, etc. ... I'm sure that
Papa would recognize his tune. My point is that a piece of paper is very
"archival" ... a piece of tape or a shiny plastic disk in 100 or 200 years?
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf
<ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
> There only is one thing we can share all over the world, recorded in
> different decades: analog tapes
Well, not quite. Sheet music is quite playable after many centuries.
And no special machines are needed :)
I think the people and orchestras hunting down historic instruments to
recreate the original setting for certain pieces will disagree with you
on this one.
12:24 p.m.
New subject: [Bulk] Re: Common DAW session save / import
On Mon, 2014-09-22 at 09:14 +0200, Edgar Aichinger wrote:
Am Sonntag, 14. September 2014, 19:28:24 schrieb Brett
McCoy:
Case in point... some lute tablature from the late 1500s...
http://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/home/index.php?DRIS_ID=MS410_003
I for one can read that, even play sightreading right away from such a
tablature, and transcribing it to a digital format (abctab or Wayne
Cripps' lutetab for example) would typically take a couple of hours
per piece, and give the possibility to create a midi file or even some
score representation by the according interpreter or processing cli
app.
Anyway, AFAIK museums, collections or archives of manuscripts have to
put substantial amounts of work in conserving manuscripts, as they
usually start to suffer from "Tintenfraß" (ink corrosion) after a few
centuries.
But, isn't this getting slightly OT ?
Modern cheap paper moulders very fast and modern cheap pencil's
colourants fade very soon, but it's possible to use special papers and
pencils, that can last very long. Anyway, sheet music isn't a recording.
Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) played by Stevie Ray Vaughan doesn't render
the emotional playing of Jimi Hendrix, just a recording can do that. Two
tenors have tow different voices, Enrico Caruso is Enrico Caruso. It's
not OT. The recording format is important. Analog recordings don't need
to be "translated", machinery is easy to build, even if the machinery,
the players technology, once is forgotten. Digital recordings need to be
"translated" by a special soft and hardware, that is not that clearly to
realise, once the technology is forgotten. You can listen to a record
using a sewing needle, a peace of paper and a pottery wheel. Than it's
easy to design a new record player, providing good sound quality. It
becomes hard to do that for digital format recording machinery.
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Bob van der Poel
<bob(a)mellowood.ca>
wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Arnold Krille
<arnold(a)arnoldarts.de>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:39:45 -0700 Bob van der Poel
<bob(a)mellowood.ca>
>> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf
>> > <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com> wrote:
>> > > There only is one thing we can share all over the world,
recorded in
>> > > different decades: analog
tapes
>> >
>> > Well, not quite. Sheet music is quite playable after many
centuries.
>> > And no special machines are needed
:)
>>
>> I think the people and orchestras hunting down historic
instruments to
>> recreate the original setting for
certain pieces will disagree
with you
>> on this one.
>>
>
> Well, I did say this with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek
while
> transcribing some Haydn. But, despite the
fact that my little
group will
> be playing it with totally different
instruments, etc. ... I'm
sure that
> Papa would recognize his tune. My point is
that a piece of paper
is very
> "archival" ... a piece of tape or
a shiny plastic disk in 100 or
200 years?
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