30 Apr
2006
30 Apr
'06
11:41 a.m.
I was just watching the talk on Protege at zkm 2006 and a bit of a crazy
idea occured to me. In addition to storing qualities of each instrument like
lead, string, percussive etc, a spectral profile could be generated for each
instrument and stored in the database. Then, you could take each channel of
your recording and pipe them (individually) into an app which would analyse
their spectral content, and then suggest alternative patches to make the
'whole' sound like some idealised mix (there would be a selection of these,
based on Genre perhaps). It would be like a magic button which would make a
track sound immediately better.
Any thoughts ?
Bruce.
30 Apr
30 Apr
8:21 p.m.
On Sun, 30 Apr, 2006 at 02:41PM +0100, BJaY spake thus:
I was just watching the talk on Protege at zkm 2006
and a bit of a crazy
idea occured to me. In addition to storing qualities of each instrument like
lead, string, percussive etc, a spectral profile could be generated for each
instrument and stored in the database. Then, you could take each channel of
your recording and pipe them (individually) into an app which would analyse
their spectral content, and then suggest alternative patches to make the
'whole' sound like some idealised mix (there would be a selection of these,
based on Genre perhaps). It would be like a magic button which would make a
track sound immediately better.
Any thoughts ?
Your art of mastering without mastering... show me some.
Bruce.
Lee, obviously.
9:03 p.m.
T-rex has a bunch of presets but most people decide that they want to
tweak the sound anyway.
I can't recall if Jamin has any presets available.
Cheers.
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr, 2006 at 02:41PM +0100, BJaY spake
thus:
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I was just watching the talk on Protege at zkm
2006 and a bit of a crazy
idea occured to me. In addition to storing qualities of each instrument like
lead, string, percussive etc, a spectral profile could be generated for each
instrument and stored in the database. Then, you could take each channel of
your recording and pipe them (individually) into an app which would analyse
their spectral content, and then suggest alternative patches to make the
'whole' sound like some idealised mix (there would be a selection of these,
based on Genre perhaps). It would be like a magic button which would make a
track sound immediately better.
Any thoughts ?
Your art of mastering without mastering... show me some.
Bruce.
Lee, obviously.
9:52 p.m.
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
T-rex has a bunch of presets but most people decide
that they want to
tweak the sound anyway.
I can't recall if Jamin has any presets available.
Cheers.
Hi ,you could check this:
http://www.musicaeeducacao.mus.br/Linux/JaminPresetsGilbertoABorges.tar.gz
Saludos.
--Carlos.
1 May
1 May
7:03 a.m.
I don't think I explained it very well. The idea is to have no mastering (or
minimal mastering - after this process) but to create a balanced mix by
changing the arrangement. Each track is fed into the program on a separate
channel, and analysed for envelope and spectral characteristics. A
comparison is then made to instruments in the Protégé database to find ones
with spectral characteristics that when combined will create a more balanced
(or just different) mix.
People often try many different patches for there recorded midi material
during mixing and this is part of the creative process - seeing what fits.
This would be an extension of that, with the program making multiple
suggestions as to what it thinks might sound good. It would also very likely
discover arrangements that would not occur to the user (maybe because they
usually work in a particular genre).
I get the feeling that my first post was interpreted as an automated
mastering solution and replies were made with that interpretation. If this
isn't a new idea could anyone point me to info on previous attempts.
The 'magic button' also has validity in my opinion because it is potentially
a source of inspiration (which in my experience is a fickle beast). On
numerous occasions I've taken home a stomp box and been inspired by it's
sound, same here - it offers creative possibilities which can be adopted or
rejected as the artist desires.
Thanks very much for the pointers to the jamin presets, I'm off to try them
out.
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[mailto:linux-audio-user-bounces@music.columbia.edu]On Behalf Of Carlos
Pino
Sent: 01 May 2006 00:52
To: A list for linux audio users
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Mastering without mastering
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
T-rex has a bunch of presets but most people decide
that they want to
tweak the sound anyway.
I can't recall if Jamin has any presets available.
Cheers.
Hi ,you could check this:
http://www.musicaeeducacao.mus.br/Linux/JaminPresetsGilbertoABorges.tar.gz
Saludos.
--Carlos.
3 May
3 May
7:05 a.m.
On Monday 01 May 2006 10:03, BJaY was like:
I don't think I explained it very well. The idea
is to have no mastering
(or minimal mastering - after this process) but to create a balanced mix by
changing the arrangement.
I'm a fan of minimal mixing. Without knowledge of the specific software you
are discussing, I would say that it is always my preference to arrange and
record in such a way as the piece virtually mixes itself if possible. The
less ducking/diving/eqing the better. To my ears this gives all the
instruments a level platform. Sometimes you have to accept that a certain
phrase either needs tweaking or won't be heard, that decision has to be made
based on the musical relevance of the phrase. Learning to accept the way the
piece turned out in the moment can be very liberating. I think it probably is
a good general rule to put more energy into pre-production rather than post.
It is also an ideal of mine to go with first takes, the reality is usually the
third, beyond that I would start questioning my approach. It's a good
exercise to make a piece entirely on first takes, rough mix it minimally and
have done with it. Of course you may not consider the results releasable
unless your name is Mark Kramer. ;)
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
10:38 p.m.
el Wed, 3 May 2006 10:05:08 +0100
tim hall <tech(a)glastonburymusic.org.uk> escribió:
It is also an ideal of mine to go with first takes,
the reality is
usually the third, beyond that I would start questioning my approach.
It's a good exercise to make a piece entirely on first takes, rough mix
it minimally and have done with it. Of course you may not consider the
results releasable unless your name is Mark Kramer. ;)
i have no idea who mark kramer might be (although i suspect saying this
will make people wonder what i'm doing on this list...), but the better part
of my cd collection was done just as you describe. and the results were
more than just releasable. but then again, in front of the microphones you
had people like sonny rollins and max roach, and behind the microphones
people like rudy van gelder...
6:38 a.m.
On Friday 05 May 2006 05:57, Lee Revell was like:
On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 21:29 -0300, luis jure wrote:
Heh. Butthole Surfers too and I'm wracking my brains for the name of
his 'solo'(ish) project. Also worked with Bill Laswell & Material briefly. I
wouldn't have expected many people to be that familiar with his work.
I believe he uses an extremely old 15 channel desk that you have to kick
occasionally to get working. Ah, pure genius. ;)
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
We are the people We've been waiting for.
i have no idea who mark kramer might be (although
i suspect saying this
will make people wonder what i'm doing on this list...)
He is best known by me for producing all the Galaxie 500 records ;-) 
6:51 a.m.
If this is the same Mark Kramer I'm thinking of, then he participated
in a band called Bongwater with -the actor Ann Magnusson, producing
such epics as 'The Power Of pussy' and 'The Big Sell-Out'
cheers,
ernst
On 5/5/06, tim hall <tech(a)glastonburymusic.org.uk> wrote:
On Friday 05 May 2006 05:57, Lee Revell was like:
--
"Both Rob and I see sound as shapes.
I only have to do this (makes a fist)
and he knows what sound I mean". - Autechre
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Ernie Dulanowsky CCNA CWLSS
www.pulsewidth.ca
On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 21:29 -0300, luis jure
wrote:
Heh. Butthole Surfers too and I'm wracking my brains for the name of
his 'solo'(ish) project. Also worked with Bill Laswell & Material briefly. I
wouldn't have expected many people to be that familiar with his work.
I believe he uses an extremely old 15 channel desk that you have to kick
occasionally to get working. Ah, pure genius. ;)
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
We are the people We've been waiting for.
i have no idea who mark kramer might be (although
i suspect saying this
will make people wonder what i'm doing on this list...)
He is best known by me for producing all the Galaxie 500 records ;-) > test_tones on www.cjtr.ca <<
7:30 a.m.
On Friday 05 May 2006 09:51, Ernie Dulanowsky was like:
If this is the same Mark Kramer I'm thinking of,
then he participated
in a band called Bongwater with -the actor Ann Magnusson, producing
such epics as 'The Power Of pussy' and 'The Big Sell-Out'
Thanks Ernie, that's the one. :)
--
cheers,
tim hall
http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim
We are the people We've been waiting for.
6 May
6 May
10:29 a.m.
Did anyone ever hear of The Mark Kramer Band? - not sure if it's the
same Mark Kramer or not - I had an ep by the band about 10 years ago,
it was really great, in the style of Jeff Buckley but bluesier...
there were tracks called Dust Bowl Rain and Wild Prairie Dog.
No results from Google...
11:54 a.m.
On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 13:29 +0100, James McDermott wrote:
Did anyone ever hear of The Mark Kramer Band? - not
sure if it's the
same Mark Kramer or not - I had an ep by the band about 10 years ago,
it was really great, in the style of Jeff Buckley but bluesier...
there were tracks called Dust Bowl Rain and Wild Prairie Dog.
No results from Google...
I doubt it's the same Kramer - the Mark Kramer I know makes music that's
aggressively weird, too weird for my tastes. The closest thing to a
blues I heard them do was the country fried Bongwater cover of the 13th
Floor Elevators "Splash 1"
Lee
12:20 p.m.
On Sat, 06 May 2006 09:54:23 -0400
Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 13:29 +0100, James McDermott
wrote:
I remember Billy J Kramer but that was a loooong time ago, and very
mainstream!
--
F
Did anyone ever hear of The Mark Kramer Band? -
not sure if it's the
same Mark Kramer or not - I had an ep by the band about 10 years ago,
it was really great, in the style of Jeff Buckley but bluesier...
there were tracks called Dust Bowl Rain and Wild Prairie Dog.
No results from Google...
I doubt it's the same Kramer - the Mark Kramer I know makes music that's
aggressively weird, too weird for my tastes. The closest thing to a
blues I heard them do was the country fried Bongwater cover of the 13th
Floor Elevators "Splash 1"
Lee 
1:42 p.m.
On Saturday 06 May 2006 16:20, Folderol wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 09:54:23 -0400
Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
Hi Folderol. Me too, and still have Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas, " Do you
want to know a secret" . Written by Lennon and Mc Cartney, but always thought
Billy J's version was better than the Beatles version.
And do you remember the Philip's 45 record player, that you could install in
your car? Just like a cd player, but you posted 45's in the slot.
Nigel.
On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 13:29 +0100, James
McDermott wrote:
I remember Billy J Kramer but that was a loooong time ago, and very
mainstream! Did anyone ever hear of The Mark Kramer Band? -
not sure if it's the
same Mark Kramer or not - I had an ep by the band about 10 years ago,
it was really great, in the style of Jeff Buckley but bluesier...
there were tracks called Dust Bowl Rain and Wild Prairie Dog.
No results from Google...
I doubt it's the same Kramer - the Mark Kramer I know makes music that's
aggressively weird, too weird for my tastes. The closest thing to a
blues I heard them do was the country fried Bongwater cover of the 13th
Floor Elevators "Splash 1"
Lee
13 May
13 May
7:29 p.m.
On Sat, 6 May 2006 17:42:08 +0200
Nigel Henry <cave.dnb(a)tiscali.fr> wrote:
On Saturday 06 May 2006 16:20, Folderol wrote:
Nope, but I do remember the player they produced that played LPs
vertically! Tracking force was about 15g and you could almost see the
plastic being scraped off :(
--
F
On Sat, 06 May 2006 09:54:23 -0400
Lee Revell <rlrevell(a)joe-job.com> wrote:
Hi Folderol. Me too, and still have Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas, " Do you
want to know a secret" . Written by Lennon and Mc Cartney, but always thought
Billy J's version was better than the Beatles version.
And do you remember the Philip's 45 record player, that you could install in
your car? Just like a cd player, but you posted 45's in the slot.
Nigel. On Sat, 2006-05-06 at 13:29 +0100, James
McDermott wrote:
I remember Billy J Kramer but that was a loooong time ago, and very
mainstream! Did anyone ever hear of The Mark Kramer Band? -
not sure if it's the
same Mark Kramer or not - I had an ep by the band about 10 years ago,
it was really great, in the style of Jeff Buckley but bluesier...
there were tracks called Dust Bowl Rain and Wild Prairie Dog.
No results from Google...
I doubt it's the same Kramer - the Mark Kramer I know makes music that's
aggressively weird, too weird for my tastes. The closest thing to a
blues I heard them do was the country fried Bongwater cover of the 13th
Floor Elevators "Splash 1"
Lee
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Patrick Shirkey -
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