6 Oct
2006
6 Oct
'06
6:29 p.m.
Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something
I've been working on?
It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
It's all done with Rosegarden and ZynAddSubFX so I can easily supply
the 'construction files' to anyone who is interested.
--
Will J G
6 Oct
6 Oct
10:06 p.m.
what about contributing to ccmixter.org?
On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 23:31 +0100, Folderol wrote:
Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum
track to something
I've been working on?
It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
It's all done with Rosegarden and ZynAddSubFX so I can easily supply
the 'construction files' to anyone who is interested.
--
-- leonard "paniq" ritter
-- http://www.mjoo.org
-- http://www.paniq.org
7 Oct
7 Oct
5:25 a.m.
Leonard "paniq" Ritter a écrit :
what about contributing to ccmixter.org?
or on oneshotsamples.com ;) I could give you an invite...
Regards
Philippe
3:17 p.m.
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:25:06 +0200
Dubphil <dubphil(a)free.fr> wrote:
Leonard "paniq" Ritter a écrit :
Well that's very nice of you, and I can see there are some good
samples on there if I wanted to build up a sample library, but they
don't seem to be in the business of full length pieces, so I don't
think it's the right place.
--
Will J G
what about contributing to ccmixter.org?
or on oneshotsamples.com ;) I could give you an invite...
Regards
Philippe
2:57 p.m.
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 04:05:38 +0200
"Leonard \"paniq\" Ritter" <paniq(a)paniq.org> wrote:
what about contributing to ccmixter.org?
On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 23:31 +0100, Folderol wrote:
> Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something
> I've been working on?
>
> It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
>
> It's all done with Rosegarden and ZynAddSubFX so I can easily supply
> the 'construction files' to anyone who is interested.
I've had a brief look at this. I'll look again more closely, but I get
the impression it is really led by vocal (and other) samples being
brought together, mixed and overlaid rather than 1 to 1 collaboration.
--
Will J G
4:49 a.m.
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100, Folderol wrote:
Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum
track to something
I've been working on?
It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some
potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for this
one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to).
I would like to suggest giving a listen to Propellerheads Spybreak
and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service.
No exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the
direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats
qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy
listen to Alec Empire or something ;)
--
Thorsten Wilms
5:26 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.18-rt5 compile error
Hi,
I try to compile a 2.6.18-rt5 on a intel core duo laptop and make
modules_install gives an error :
WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.18-rt5/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko needs
unknown symbol pm_send_all
make: *** [_modinst_post] Erreur 1
Should I disable Power management in .config?
Joel
1:10 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] 2.6.18-rt5 compile error
On Sat, 2006-10-07 at 11:26 +0200, joel silvestre wrote:
Hi,
I try to compile a 2.6.18-rt5 on a intel core duo laptop and make
modules_install gives an error :
WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.18-rt5/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko needs
unknown symbol pm_send_all
make: *** [_modinst_post] Erreur 1
Should I disable Power management in .config?
I would just disable APM in the config. It might be called "legacy
power management".
Lee
3:16 p.m.
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:10 +0200
Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100, Folderol
wrote:
Yes you're probably right. Maybe I got too dazzled by the effects and
forgot the instrument is supposed to support the music, not the other
way round!
I've been doing more experimentation with 'softer' instruments - it
totally changes the character of the tune.
Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum
track to something
I've been working on?
It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some
potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for this
one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to). I would like to suggest giving a listen to
Propellerheads Spybreak
and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service.
No exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the
direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats
qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy
listen to Alec Empire or something ;)
--
Thorsten Wilms
Hmm, didn't think of comparisons with any of those (not watched James
Bond films for years). I can see a parallel with OHMSS.
... I'll be back!
--
Will J G
8:01 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:17:42 +0100
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:10 +0200
Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
OK. I said I'd be back.
The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different
instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all!
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
--
Will J G
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100,
Folderol wrote:
Yes you're probably right. Maybe I got too dazzled by the effects and
forgot the instrument is supposed to support the music, not the other
way round!
I've been doing more experimentation with 'softer' instruments - it
totally changes the character of the tune.
Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum
track to something
I've been working on?
It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some
potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for this
one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to). I would like to suggest giving a listen to
Propellerheads Spybreak
and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service.
No exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the
direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats
qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy
listen to Alec Empire or something ;)
--
Thorsten Wilms
Hmm, didn't think of comparisons with any of those (not watched James
Bond films for years). I can see a parallel with OHMSS.
... I'll be back! 
10:22 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update
It sounds really artificial. For example, all note attacks (the
beginning of the note) are the same: hard & percussive. Soften most of
them except for when you REALLY want a hard attack. This may be a
limitation of MIDI.
- Jordan
Folderol wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:17:42 +0100
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:10 +0200
Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
OK. I said I'd be back.
The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different
instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all!
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100,
Folderol wrote:
Yes you're probably right. Maybe I got too dazzled by the effects and
forgot the instrument is supposed to support the music, not the other
way round!
I've been doing more experimentation with 'softer' instruments - it
totally changes the character of the tune.
Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum
track to something
I've been working on?
It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some
potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for this
one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to).
I would like to suggest giving a listen to
Propellerheads Spybreak
and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service.
No exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the
direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats
qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy
listen to Alec Empire or something ;)
--
Thorsten Wilms
Hmm, didn't think of comparisons with any of those (not watched James
Bond films for years). I can see a parallel with OHMSS.
... I'll be back!
10:25 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update
This below message was not meant to be mean or harsh, simply an
observation.
- Jordan
Jordan wrote:
It sounds really artificial. For example, all note
attacks (the
beginning of the note) are the same: hard & percussive. Soften most of
them except for when you REALLY want a hard attack. This may be a
limitation of MIDI.
- Jordan
Folderol wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:17:42 +0100
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:10 +0200
Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
OK. I said I'd be back.
The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different
instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all!
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100,
Folderol wrote:
> Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum track to something
> I've been working on?
>
> It's at
> http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
>
Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some
potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for
this one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to).
Yes you're probably right. Maybe I got too dazzled by the effects and
forgot the instrument is supposed to support the music, not the other
way round!
I've been doing more experimentation with 'softer' instruments - it
totally changes the character of the tune.
I would like to suggest giving a listen to
Propellerheads Spybreak
and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service. No
exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the
direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats
qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy
listen to Alec Empire or something ;)
--
Thorsten Wilms
Hmm, didn't think of comparisons with any of those (not watched James
Bond films for years). I can see a parallel with OHMSS.
... I'll be back!
8 Oct
8 Oct
4:09 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:22:43 -0500
Jordan <jordan(a)jdnash.org> wrote:
It sounds really artificial. For example, all note
attacks (the
beginning of the note) are the same: hard & percussive. Soften most of
them except for when you REALLY want a hard attack. This may be a
limitation of MIDI.
- Jordan
I'm not really sure what you are referring to here. The attack rate,
harmonics etc. are a feature of the 'instrument' I am
emulating/creating, although I guess I could insert some variable
velocity filtering.
When creating this piece I worked entirely in Rosegarden's matrix
editor. This is unusual for me as I normally play tracks on a keyboard
and only use the matrix editor to stitch then together and sort out
some duff bits.
Maybe that is what you are noticing.
--
Will J G
12:45 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update
[sorry to top-post]
I've been busy, so I'm late to comment but...
I have to agree that it sounds a little harsh and synthetic, but as a
first sketch it's great.
Oh, and (sings)
"riders on the storm"
:)
James
On Sun, 08 Oct, 2006 at 01:03AM +0100, Folderol spake thus:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 20:17:42 +0100
Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:49:10 +0200
Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
OK. I said I'd be back.
The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different
instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all!
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:31:13PM +0100,
Folderol wrote:
Yes you're probably right. Maybe I got too dazzled by the effects and
forgot the instrument is supposed to support the music, not the other
way round!
I've been doing more experimentation with 'softer' instruments - it
totally changes the character of the tune.
Would anyone like to add a fairly aggressive drum
track to something
I've been working on?
It's at http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
Hmm. I think you should invest some more work yourself. I see some
potential, but think the sounds are too digital and sparkly for this
one (sorry for being broad, but this is what it comes down to). I would like to suggest giving a listen to
Propellerheads Spybreak
and perhaps the James Bond theme plus On Her Majesty's Service.
No exact matches in mood or anything, just prime examples of the
direction I would like to see this taken. Propellerheads beats
qualify as fairly aggressive, given that I'm sure you don't usualy
listen to Alec Empire or something ;)
Hmm, didn't think of comparisons with any of those (not watched James
Bond films for years). I can see a parallel with OHMSS.
... I'll be back!
4:17 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:45:49 +0100
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
[sorry to top-post]
I've been busy, so I'm late to comment but...
I have to agree that it sounds a little harsh and synthetic, but as a
first sketch it's great.
We're on to version 3 now!
Oh, and (sings)
"riders on the storm"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH
Yes officer that's my only computer. No those CDs are all shop bought.
I can only apologise your honour. I certainly wasn't aware that there
was any comparison between my humble scratching and work of such
magnificence.
Thank you warder. It is so kind of you to give me *two* maggots in my
bread.
:)
James
And I had such a lovely walk along the coast today (I did the woods
last week). I shall carry on regardless <sniff>.
--
Will J G
4:33 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update
On 10/8/06, Folderol <folderol(a)ukfsn.org> wrote:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:45:49 +0100
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
<SNIP>
> Oh, and (sings)
>
> "riders on the storm"
I purposely decided yesterday not to say that but now that the cat is
out of the bag I will offer that James is not the only one to hear the
similarity... ;-)
That doesn't mean it's wrong or a copy. It clearly isn't. But you
certainly don't want folks to think you are doing something around
that song when it turns out you are not.
- Mark
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH
Yes officer that's my only computer. No those CDs are all shop bought.
I can only apologise your honour. I certainly wasn't aware that there
was any comparison between my humble scratching and work of such
magnificence.
Thank you warder. It is so kind of you to give me *two* maggots in my
bread.
6:58 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update
On Sun, 08 Oct, 2006 at 09:19PM +0100, Folderol spake thus:
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:45:49 +0100
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
I don't think it's a bad thing that one part sounds like riders.
Maybe that's why everyone wants you to grunge it up a little and go
all Doorsy.
I really like the tune, by the way.
James
[sorry to top-post]
I've been busy, so I'm late to comment but...
I have to agree that it sounds a little harsh and synthetic, but as a
first sketch it's great.
We're on to version 3 now!
Oh, and (sings)
"riders on the storm"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH
Yes officer that's my only computer. No those CDs are all shop bought.
I can only apologise your honour. I certainly wasn't aware that there
was any comparison between my humble scratching and work of such
magnificence.
Thank you warder. It is so kind of you to give me *two* maggots in my
bread.
:)
James
And I had such a lovely walk along the coast today (I did the woods
last week). I shall carry on regardless <sniff>.
11 Oct
11 Oct
3:32 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums (still)
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:59:16 +0100
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
I don't think it's a bad thing that one part
sounds like riders.
Maybe that's why everyone wants you to grunge it up a little and go
all Doorsy.
I really like the tune, by the way.
James
Thanks :)
Well I now think I've gone as far as I can with it. There is some
balancing of levels, a slight delay in the organ LFO so the staccato
notes have more bite, and a bit more dynamic expression in the 'brass'
section.
So it now proudly appears on my updates page!
--
Will J G
http://www.musically.me.uk
4:05 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums (still)
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 08:33:56PM +0100, Folderol wrote:
Well I now think I've gone as far as I can with it. There is some
balancing of levels, a slight delay in the organ LFO so the staccato
notes have more bite, and a bit more dynamic expression in the 'brass'
section.
So it now proudly appears on my updates page!
The organ has come to life, the pad is big :)
Now I would like to have a go at adding drums and perhaps
working on the bass a bit (bass drum / bass interaction),
if you don't mind :)
Don't know yet, I would experiment between big beat and house,
but I'm open to your suggestions, of course.
Like last time, I would need a MIDI export and the
Zyn patches.
--
Thorsten Wilms
8 Oct
8 Oct
4:22 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 01:03:06AM +0100, Folderol wrote:
The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different
instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all!
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
Much better. I like the echoey saw synth.
Not sure about what Jordan said, but the synth-string pad
could do with longer attack.
Pad and organ are both way too clean.
I would try a pitch envelope on the strings, making them start
tuned down a bit and fading in some vibrato (slightly different
for each voice might be optimal)
The organ asks for tube amp / tube warmth and perhaps leslie.
But the notes themselves could be improved. No strong point
of my own music ... but anyway: Especialy at the start, the
lead should be more staccato. A bit short-breathed, impulsive.
Try increasing the whole tempo, it's not jogging through the
night, right?
--
Thorsten Wilms
4:38 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Needs Drums - Update
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:21:26 +0200
Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 01:03:06AM +0100, Folderol
wrote:
I've changed that completely now. I've used a warmer instrument and
there is a sort of descant way back in the stereo image. Generally I've
tried to keep these sections fairly clear and simple to give
creative space to the <cough> drummer :)
The same tune, slightly changed but with quite different
instrumentation. Doesn't sound like the same thing at all!
http://www.musically.me.uk/music/Running_Through_The_Night.ogg
Much better. I like the echoey saw synth.
Not sure about what Jordan said, but the synth-string pad
could do with longer attack. Pad and organ are both way too clean.
I would try a pitch envelope on the strings, making them start
tuned down a bit and fading in some vibrato (slightly different
for each voice might be optimal)
The organ asks for tube amp / tube warmth and perhaps leslie.
I wasn't too happy about that myself. It now has a very small amount
of overdrive and some filtering to take off the sharpness. There
already was a LFO operation on it, but I've increased the depth a bit.
It takes very little to make it just sound 'wobbly' :(
But the notes themselves could be improved. No strong
point
of my own music ... but anyway: Especialy at the start, the
lead should be more staccato. A bit short-breathed, impulsive.
Try increasing the whole tempo, it's not jogging through the
night, right?
Yes very good point that. It's now set to 130 bpm, which makes it quite
brisk paced. The overall time is just over 2 minutes so it's quite
short, but trying to make it longer would be false.
I've made quite few changes to note lengths and amplitudes, most are
quite minor but collectively make a lot of difference.
--
Thorsten Wilms
I now find I want to turn the volume up quite a bit when listening,
which for this sort of music must be a 'good thing'(tm).
I'm also hugely enjoying getting this feedback while I actually create.
--
Will J G
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