On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 13:23 -0700, R Parker wrote: There are PCI-E versions of direct ancestors of the old Matro G400 cards, which once upon a time had open drivers (Matrox has since been putting Evil Inside(TM)). Unless you happen to be a kernel hacker I guess that's not much use to you, but the old AGP drivers could probably be ported to work with the PCI-E cards with some work. I could go for a nice 3* DVI out PCI-E card with open drivers :) -DR-

Dave Robillard wrote: This seems the best route to go ATM, but does anyone have any suggestions for doing something similar with a recent PCI-Express system? I see that Xorg is starting to support the ATI X800 line of cards using the radeon driver, but DRI support seems very early. Also, 2D speed on my X800 XL seems quite slow compared to the binary drivers, which is a big deterrent from staying with the OSS drivers. later, Steve

--- Loki Davison <loki.davison(a)gmail.com> wrote: Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "mga" VendorName "Videocard vendor" BoardName "Matrox Graphics, Inc. G400/G450" This is the one Link Swanson just brought over to the studio and it's spanning dual screens running "2.6.16-1.2080.13.rdt.rhfc5.ccrma". I've had a couple hard lockups while configuring, we'll see how stable it is as I run it. Ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 23:55 +0000, carmen wrote: Please don't refer to people who want vendors to comply with the GPL as "zealots". (Although the nvidia driver is *probably* legal it's still an attack on the intentions of the GPL) Lee

--- Mark Knecht <markknecht(a)gmail.com> wrote: Some setup challanges really suck. I've been doing my best to be a hardcore Linux user for several years but it's hard to do because I spend to much time administrating. I'm about to give up and dive deeper into the mess by taking some online C programming classes. I figure spending $400 per class will piss me off so much that I'll actually learn something. Is Windows any better? I've gotta setup a Windows box during the July 4th holiday. It would be great if the stupid thing threw me for a lope and I couldn't finish the job before leaving for home. lol Ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

--- carmen <_(a)whats-your.name> wrote: Thanks for the warning. The last time I did anything challanging with Windows was around 1998. I'm gonna pay a Windows guy to build it for me. The last thing I need to do is think. Ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

2006/6/21, Rob <lau(a)kudla.org>rg>: But they stop if you say something like "I am only a linux freak, my last windows-experience is long ago..." And even more of them stop asking if you admit that you are a linux-software-developer, not concerned with ether hardware nor windows... Arnold -- visit http://dillenburg.dyndns.org/~arnold/ --- Wenn man mit Raubkopien Bands wie Brosis oder Britney Spears wirklich verhindern könnte, würde ich mir noch heute einen Stapel Brenner und einen Sack Rohlinge kaufen.

On Sat June 24 2006 07:28, tim hall wrote: I was telling people for a while that I'm not familiar with Windows anymore, but honestly, I've had to look at so many compromised, virus infected, registry corrupted, spyware infested or otherwise turd-burgled XP installations in the last two years that I can't pretend to be unfamiliar with it anymore.... that and when someone bats his or her eyes at me and says pretty please, I am easily swayed. I'm not the guy who buys the "No, I will not fix your computer" T-shirt from Thinkgeek. My solution used to be to hand them a copy of Knoppix and say to use that as a backup, but my social circle and family includes many AOL users and gamers, not to mention the shift towards laptops with wifi chipsets that can't be set up without an hour and a half of nerd intervention. That, and the tendency of people to go, "You fixed my computer once, now come back and fix it again" increases by an order of magnitude when I give them Linux. Sometimes you just gotta know what your limits are. Rob

Hmm I never had a reason to bother with transparency until I read that... Now I am insanely curious. Mind emailing me a link to a screenshot so I can decide if I want to bother? Seablade

Yep that is why I had never bothered in the past, though something like that could be very useful to me so that I can free up desktop space elsewhere. I am actually looking at replaceing my single core processor with twin dual core processors, and as it is it does take a little bit for me to use up most of my processor(But I still do it;) so I can probably afford the cycles if it helps my workflow. That and I already have a NVidia card and dont have a problem using the binary blob;) Though I am safely staying out of this conversation for the time being, Lee and I already discussed viewpoints on this once in recent past, so no need for me to repeat it at the moment I dont think. Seablade

Mark Knecht wrote: I don't agree that this is "Linux's problem" exactly. The sole remaining major problem with Linux imho is bad support from the hardware vendors. The OS is capable of accurate hardware detection but without drivers (either at all or of good quality) the configuration process gets mired in a quagmire of xorg.conf and kernel modules. I'm not laying blame exclusively at the feet of the graphics card manufacturers on this, the situation with soundcards is just as bad. The current workaround for this seems to be an all Intel system which is fine until you realise that this leaves us as vendor locked in as the Windows guys who can't switch because they've got too many accounts in Quicken. Note that in no way to I want to denigrate the hard work of the hackers working on Linux drivers. They've done an amazing job working completely in the dark in some cases. What I'm saying is that years of reverse engineering _shouldn't_be_necessary_ in the first place. The solution as I see it (and so this isn't a /completely/ negative rant ;) ) is more advocacy => more users => noticable difference to the bottom line of companies who don't supply quality (open-source where legally possible) Linux drivers. The people on this list are amongst the best advocates seen as we're out there on stages in front of people already. -- Jonny Music - http://jeremah.co.uk News - http://voxpolis.com

Frank Barknecht wrote: But nvidia DOES offer decent (non-GPL, proprietary, binary) drivers. not that i am totally happy about that, but this is the best you can get. sure - nv's drivers do suck in some respect, but also the ati open source drivers do. and even if there were open source drivers - no one* would use them, if the closed source drivers bring better performance. Or would anyone of you really spent € 280 for a 7800GT and use (imaginatory) open source drivers instead of just get the same performance from a €180 7600GT with closed source drivers ? well, i say that drivers for things like webcams, soundchips and all that stuff should be opensource. but i have to confess that 3D gfx drivers (with decent performance) are such a complex thing that you can not demand them to be opensource. *) ok, ppl that use the gfx card only for 2D and some eye candy that is GL accelerated probably will use them.

Hallo, Thomas Ilnseher hat gesagt: // Thomas Ilnseher wrote: In my opinion that's a kind of trojan horse, but this issue has been talked about here many times, so one might want to seach the archives for more on my opinion. I have an Intel laptop with a G900 chipset, whose open source drivers provide 3D performance that is decent enough for me to do a performance on stage with it that includes 3D-graphics and sound coming from the same laptop, see the LAC2006 site for a video. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

Esben Stien wrote: ok. i couldn't think of anyone doing that. i would not do it, as i am quite comfortable w/ the closed driver, and can't see wha an open source driver can give me that is worth €100. (i can see what an opensource driver can give me, but it's not worth €100 imho) how? you can not get any decent gfx performance w/ open source drivers. ati X series can hardly be called high end, not to speak about intel and via. so you can boycott nvidia by buying <?> ! nvidia and ati are the only remaining high-end gfx chip vendors. both have specs closed. i think this doesn't work. developing hardware is uber expensive, a set of masks for a chip is $1M. as you need several masks, this would cost you ~ $10M at least. i think this is too much money for an open organization. FPGA is also not an option due to speed/power/etc. also such a hardware would compete with via in the first place (slower than intel) but for via/intel specs are somewhat open.

Greetings: This topic should be entered in the LA* FAQ. However, the FAQ itself is woefully out of date and needs repaired (Jazz++ is one of the "most recommended" MIDI applications). Perhaps someone on this list could take a little time off from their discourses here and work a bit on the FAQ ? Not so much fun as the LAU list but potentially more valuable (i.e. it might reach more people). At least then we could simply refer people to the FAQ instead of rehashing the thread. Best, dp

On Wed June 21 2006 14:35, Lee Revell wrote: I suggested this last time the outdated FAQ came up, but would it be possible to put the FAQ into a wiki? (One with write access on request, not "anyone can add Chinese porno link farms" access.) That would address both the "always outdated" and the "things moving too fast to update" problems. I don't even know where to find the FAQ.... google links me to http://linuxaudio.org/audio/lad/faq.php3 which is a 404. Rob

On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 15:25 -0400, Rob wrote: I don't like Wikis because they tends to fill up with outdated or flat out wrong information (see the ALSA wiki for an example). People love to post their half baked advice, but they never take it down when it becomes obsolete. We still have zillions of users who think they need to create an .asoundrc to make ALSA work and they all end up copying the same one without any idea what it does or whether it's needed. Lee

Rob wrote: I can set up a wiki for the faq at linuxaudio.org Any suggestions for the software to use? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B

On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 21:29 -0700, Stephen Hassard wrote: I like the idea of making a master Linux audio page at Wikipedia, and just put a brief description and links to all the community resources. I think Google weights wikipedia pages pretty well so it would be a nice place to point newbies. Lee

On 6/22/06, Patrick Shirkey &lt;pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com&gt; wrote: hopefully we can migrate as much other current info there as possible. Especially the handy stuff that used to be on tapas's wiki. Wasn't there a project to migrate dave's linux sound pages to some kind of wiki? Loki

Dave Phillips wrote: There's certainly no reason not to coordinate on that front. But the current site works and is very well positioned on Google etc... However if it was moved we could just redirect the urls to the new location and that would keep the page ranking IIUC. I would need a very compelling reason to recode it as it will take some time to strip out all the useful info for a database system. If I was going to change it I would put the content into a db, make a nice skin and write a little admin interface to make Daves life easier or even just make a batch insert from csv. We could even add a blog tool for the musings page with browsable archives... Actually a lot of the code from the Quicktoots or ladspavst portals could be reused. Then I would create a cache of the pages for the mirrors to access or some other way might be deemed simpler. Without the code for the mirrors and assuming I don't have to design the skin or add new features, it would be about a days work for me. However if someone volunteered to wrangle the content into a csv format it would save me a lot of time. Otherwise it would be about 5 days work to do everything on my own steam. Other than that the content is A1 top of the line, couldn't ask for more. It's up to y'all to convince Dave and I that it's worth the effort. If you want it done then I will schedule in into my workload throughout the next couple of months. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B

On Thu June 22 2006 00:24, Patrick Shirkey wrote: With all the 0-day exploits for TWiki vulnerabilities over the last year (some of which affected a wiki I was running for another free software project, allowing a ton of spam), I'm a MediaWiki proponent at this point. I've only done a little experimenting with MediaWiki and am neck deep in 2 work projects or I'd have already set one up. Rob

On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 13:51 +0200, Thomas Ilnseher wrote: Yes, I would. Why do you think this operating system even exists in the first place? Because of people who just run whatever garbage proprietary software that's out there because "hey, it makes our games go faster"? Duh. -DR-

On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:37 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: Well, if they go run Windows where they belong and stop actively advocating the destruction of our beloved operating system / movement, they can call me whatever they want. Deal? :) -DR-

On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 19:00 +0000, carmen wrote: How would this help the video driver situation? Lee

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank Barknecht escribió: I'll play devil's advocate here for a second, to what extent does a driver include such information of the hardware it "drives" that it would be considered a trade secret to release either its source or specifications of the hardware to build them? How much third party technology is involved in the drivers in the first place, that would violate *any* commercial agreements the hardware vendor may have with other companies in terms of licensed technologies? If removed these components from the drivers, how good their performance would be when compared to the closed ones? I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the video card market is one heck of a vicious business, with not only rapid development cycles, but also a lot (and I mean a *LOT*) of cross licensed technology not to mention a billion-dollar industry. This makes it way too complex (IMO) and extremely difficult to have fully open source drivers, unless it is for those considered low-end or entry-level class of cards/chips (where numbers level in the amount of units). I'm not sure what would be the panacea to this "problem", I for one have no problems using closed drivers (if they will get the job done, and will allow me to use the best hardware for the job). I do realize that if a high-end vendor opens up their drivers, Linux users will be more than happy to use them and there would be no problems with the GPL and other licensing issues, but this would also mean that these drivers wouldn't be allowed to include third-licensed technology in them. The most obvious situation with cross-license issues and open source video drivers has got to be the texture compression algorithms, especially S3TC. S3TC is not free, you have to license it to be able to implement it, and at the same time the hardware has to be compliant with it. I some years ago had a discussion about this very issue, and asked myself why wouldn't open source video drivers use an open texture compression algorithm... First I thought there was no such TC algorithm, but then I remembered 3dfx and the VSA-100 architecture (Voodoo 4, 5). They indeed developed a TC algorithm that they made open before they were bought up by nVidia, FXTC (not to be confused with DXTC, which is DirectX's texture compression, a derivative of S3TC). FXTC proved to have superior quality than S3TC, but it also required hardware support for it (as far as I remember, prove me wrong, please!), even if the algorithm and specification were open for anyone to implement, no one actually did (or did they?), so my allegation was why not use FXTC if it is open and pretty much (as much as I can remember) anyone could implement it for open source drivers as an alternative to S3TC? The answer is astonishingly simple: S3TC is now the de facto standard and the default format for a LOT of textures used in many applications and games, this would involve a massive move, which in turn would die (as it did) because (as MS-Office) some else made it not so nice, but bearably nice, cheaper and most of all, first (Ok, MSO wasn't there first, but it was cheaper). Trying to incorporate such technology at this point would be incredibly hard, I wonder, though if it would be harder than trying to make S2TC (and DXTC by extension) Open in turn? At the current rate, seems like VIA and Intel are the best options for anyone to have in terms of open source driver support, even if you lose in performance/features, why can't we have the three: features, performance and FREEDOM? Well, with current business models, it is simply not going to happen. Fortunately more player are willing to give us them three, but at baby-ant' steps.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank Barknecht escribió: Actually, the nvnet driver is not present in the Linux "ForceWare" drivers for their mainboards. The reverse-entgineered forcedeth driver is much more efficient than that of Nvidia (which had to be built from source, by the way) consumes far less CPU and (in my case, anyway) reaches higher transfer rates. First hand experience with an nForce2 motherboard, revealed that I could reach full 100Mbps (and virtual no CPU usage) when transferring stuff to my file server where as I was able to go as high as 55-60Mbps with the nvnet driver (and over 30% CPU usage), so yeah, I'm 100% confident that the OpenSource drivers here at least are 200% better than the proprietary ones, to the point that the nvnet driver no longer is part of the "ForceWare", which is actually excellent! However for the video drivers, as was said in another post to this thread by Rob, nVidia and ATi are not releasing specs for their hardware for Open Source drivers due to incarnate battle over features, price and performance... I would have to assume that an Open Source driver initiative on at least the kernel end would be tremendously helpful to prevent lockups and ease debugging, not to mention that installing their binary X drivers would be much easier, after all the kernel module pretty much is only a bridge between the X driver and the hardware, the magic is done in the X driver, not the kernel gateway (or am I terribly wrong here?) Alas, I think that if either of the giant companies did fully open their drivers and specs, not only would they be doing the right thing?, but I believe it would be much easier to implement new capabilities to the cards.

Lee Revell wrote: at least the file sizes imply that you are right. i can guess why they have put it in there ... but this does change the light in which the driver shines ...

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lee Revell escribió: So virtually what they are doing is simply recycle their Windows GL drivers for Linux...? I'm not that convinced, though, as they what is implemented in their GL library (which is fairly large too) and their nvidia X driver... If all was done in kernel space, couldn't they use the nv driver as well as the "X Glue"? (only guessing here, I have no experience whatsoever with kernel driver development)

On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 12:54:36PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Ooh, so I went and made a mockup for the Wiki before realising that the lau mainpage isn't part of it. Well, I think it would be nice to have it all in one :) Anyway: http://affenbande.org/~thorwil/wordpress/2006/06/22/httplaulinuxaudioorgfaq/ Best, Thorsten Wilms

On 6/22/06, Patrick Shirkey &lt;pshirkey(a)boosthardware.com&gt; wrote: I'm voting for b. Loki

FWIW, second that. As some of you may be already aware (definitely Thorsten ;-), I am a sucker for a more "curved" design (although not as curvy as Apple's). Hence, I'd like to see some more of that in addition to Patrick's comments... Best wishes, Ico

Thorsten Wilms wrote: Very nice, I like it.

On Sun, 2006-06-25 at 16:59 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: How about some stronger colours? Bright orange on dark blue, or something? -- Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x04C77E2E Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E

On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 09:42:37AM -0300, luis jure wrote: Usualy I don't do mockups, but work directly in XHTML/CSS to make sure it's all clean, degrades gracefully and to avoid tryin things that would look great but are hard or even impossible to achieve. But some things can be tried and changed much faster in mockups and I have been asked for some "flava" ... I guess the tabs can't be done like that without being images. The penguin and the area its in, and perhaps also the "Linux Audio User Wiki" headline would have to be one image. While I'm not going to completely ignore the concerns you mentioned, you are still invited to present a own design with perfect accesibilty and all, Luis ;) -- Thorsten Wilms

On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 04:59:52PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: I would like to try a shadow to the page, but tell me how to realise that afterwards? Another: http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-w… -- Thorsten Wilms

On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 11:18:06PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Usualy I try to avoid things that could distract from the actual content too much. If it shall be accesible, table-less, hack-free css and even work in the POS Internet Explorer ... I wonder if there is such a thing as a typical Linux audio user. Things as having fun seeing how things work might be somewhat common, but visual preferences can be expected to vary almost as much as musical taste. Using the design to get some message across is a nice idea. Patrick, all in all I think you overestimate the importance of the design, and I say that as a designer ;) Anyway, next one and I think it's too disco and by tomorrow I might hate it: http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-w… -- Thorsten Wilms

Don't know wether I'm serious: http://affenbande.org/%7Ethorwil/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/lau-w… The background would need much more work. -- Thorsten Wilms

Thorsten Wilms wrote: It's definitely a more 3d effect for the penguin. I think you could take it further in to the center of the page and make it bolder. The colors are not quite doing it for me. But they are kind of complimentary. The blue bg color might look better slightly greyer, metallic. or white. The pink is very strong. Maybe a richer red? I've noticed that you are adept at drawing/sketching so maybe we should go for a style that fits better with your talent than trying to get you to mold your skills to an arbritrary concept which no one really has a finger on... If you can be bothered what about a couple of quick sketches with different ideas? Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B

Thorsten Wilms wrote: Sure. Contrasting font colors or a semi-opaque layer can overcome that. That's interesting and unique. It has a certain flava too. I am happy to use that image by itself but if you want to "improve" it then feel free to improvise some more. A site built around that image would be very artistic. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B

Thorsten Wilms wrote: It's up to you. IMO your sketches are way cooler than anything that can be done in a Blender et al... They have a life of their own. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B

Thorsten Wilms wrote: Thorsten, that's very cool work. IMO certain Linux audio developers ought to be hiring you for logos. I've been putting up logos on the main page at linux-sound.org, and some notable apps have no logo at all or only a place-holder logo (e.g. Ardour and Planet CCRMA). Do you have a PayPal account ? Best, dp

Quoting Thorsten Wilms &lt;t_w_(a)freenet.de&gt;de>: That's really really nice :-) Great work. -- Visit www.conorotuama.com

On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 10:35:02PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Thanks. The term baby-blue already points to the problem with that range of colours :) But what else would say wide, open space, sky? Conor O'Tuama: Thank you :) -- Thorsten Wilms

On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 02:14:04AM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Heh, congratulations! :) -- Thorsten Wilms

Very beautifull. A piece of art, without a doubt. The level of detail is amazing! Hmm, I don't think so. Maybe for that person audio on linux may have been a confusing maze and she is letting this drive his mind. Of course, sometimes all us have some bad times with linux... but we can't use that to say what others' experience will be. I think that this level of care shows that there are talented people behind the site and just encourages the users to go ahead and try. I think it is very inspiring. Of corse, it's not because of a logo that one decides to use audio on linux, but it shows that there are people who cares about it. A little naive, but that is what I think. I didn't say nothing about the logos until now, but all they were great. Each one better than the next. -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto -------------------------------------------

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 06:05:56PM -0300, Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto wrote: Most pleased to hear, thank you :) It's part of the idea :) -- Thorsten Wilms

On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 12:41:42PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Thanks! Cool. Yes, implying it's easy would be a lying, indicating complexity is honest. It just bothered me because it isn't what I meant. I started with the ellipses as naive audio wave visualisation, just to give depth to the picture. The cut-outs and bridges are meant to give it a shamanic techno look, I didn't have a maze in mind at all :) Ok, so it will stay as is. Hey, one thing at a time ;) -- Thorsten Wilms

Thorsten Wilms wrote: Mmmm. Nice color coordination. Isn't it a pity that MSIE users don't get to see transparency in all it's glory... Not! I'll start integrating it today. Cheers. -- Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd. Http://www.boosthardware.com Http://lau.linuxaudio.org - The Linux Audio Users guide ======================================== "Anything your mind can see you can manifest physically, then it will become reality" - Macka B

Thorsten Wilms wrote: If you mean something like http://anagrammer.dk it can... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Thorsten Wilms wrote: I only tested on latest IE under ME (all I have access to at work), but I suspect recent IE's on different win flavors would behave similar... -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Patrick Shirkey wrote: I see no transparency. Is the what you expected (http://atte.dk/download/lau.png) or did I misunderstand something? -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Thorsten Wilms wrote: indeed! very nice! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk | quartet: http://www.anagrammer.dk http://www.atte.dk/gps | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

On Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 04:36:50PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Looks like a good start :) - The head should extend all the way up, no gap. Alternatively, both the head and navigation boxes should have the same margin top/left. - The head box has no borders. - The "Linux Audio User Wiki" (or similar) caption is missing. - The orange is a bit pale. It's meant to be #ff9900. - The label "Search:" in front of the entry is missing. - I dropped the Search button from my mockup, since I didn't see the difference. If there's one, it should be pointed out on the search page it leads to. - The page links (Article ...) should be in one box, no gaps. The current should have thicker border inwards, not outwards (might be tricky). Finaly the whole box should be right aligned. - I wrote Article, Toolbox and so on with capitalisation, which looks better imho. But no problem to ge with the media-wiki default. - The nav boxes have single colour frames, not the 3 colours I used for a subtle 3d effect (ffffff, c3e2e5, a0a0b5, but feel free to tweak them). - It should be one nav box, with the captions inside. Alternatively, 3 boxes would be ok, but the captions should still be inside. - Weird things happen if you lower the width of the browser window (Firefox). - All the headlines with [edit] should perhaps be underlined. Or the [edit] should follow right after the text, not right aligned. - The background should be fixed, not scroll. -- Thorsten Wilms

On Fri, 2006-07-14 at 21:35 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Hey, that's cool. And here I was thinking that penguins came out of eggs, like other birds ;-) bye John

Very nice work Thorsten! I personally liked the 02 version better. FWIW, I'd suggest adding one strong corner akin to the linuxaudio.org logo (namely bottom left) of the text canvas could also add a little spice, and having the "go" button also stylized (or converted in a .png since we would have several of them anyhow) so that it does not stick out that much. Keep up the great work! Best wishes, Ico

On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 09:59 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Boycott by buying what? -DR-

Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: Or an old and gold Matrox G450, if you still can use AGP or PCI. These are perfect cards for a Linux audio machine, and you almost get them for free on *bay. Their 3D performance is okay for Quake 3 Arena. Also superhighendthreedeegraphicshardandsoftware can degrade audio performance in various ways, depending on the system, its drivers etc.. Currently Creative is fighting that issue btw., see http://xfi.blogspot.com/2006/05/crackling-and-popping-x-fi.html for some funny reading. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

--- Frank Barknecht &lt;fbar(a)footils.org&gt; wrote: The G400 requires mga_hal which is a binary and blah, freakin blah. Link S. dropped his G400 buy the studio for me to try out. I think the G450 is a solid buy for technical and usability requirements. It's said to run out of the box and with dual monitor support at that. I'm gonna go find one. Ron if you still can use http://xfi.blogspot.com/2006/05/crackling-and-popping-x-fi.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

On Tuesday 20 June 2006 21:02, Lee Revell was like: No, your position isn't extreme. It is simply because you do not pull your punches or pad out your answers with social fluff that your answers come across as a bit harsh sometimes. It may not be immediately obvious to everyone that you keep answering questions because you deeply care about the Linux Audio community. In the same way, it may not be obvious that the occasional digs you may receive from some of the more er, light-hearted members of this community are slightly twisted acknowledgements of the value of your contributions. Dealing with piss-taking creative lunatics is all part of the territory. ;) -- cheers, tim hall http://glastonburymusic.org.uk/tim "Ashes, ashes, all fall down."

Hi Link, Awesome. Please call my cell at 612-236-8144 I'm in the middle of a rebuild/redesign but can have audio running within minutes. Ron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hallo, Esben Stien hat gesagt: // Esben Stien wrote: Tomorrow's Intel cards will perform as today's nvidia cards. ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

On Sat June 24 2006 07:53, tim hall wrote: We had to run out and get a cheap nvidia card for my partner's workstation (go ahead, try to find a card in a brick and mortar shop that's neither ATI or Nvidia, and that 6 year old Matrox card your local boardbender hasn't been able to sell all this time doesn't count) after I installed Mandriva 2006 and discovered that it would no longer do 3D acceleration on his voodoo3, so that day may already be here depending on your distro. Rob