5 Dec
2003
5 Dec
'03
11:07 a.m.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3643501167&categ…
Name, logo, credits, pretty much everything. We all happy now?
Rob
5 Dec
5 Dec
11:53 a.m.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3643501167&categ
ory=182
Name, logo, credits, pretty much everything. We all happy now?
I wonder if it's a coincidence that a lot of Audacity users have been
putting in complaints to eBay's fraud department...
It's a good result all the same. I notice that under this user ID -
he's used at least two, including 'inexpensivecds' - he has feedback
of 4339, which means he's probably sold more than 5000 CDs at US$14
including postage (not everyone who buys leaves feedback).
So we could be talking about at least US$50,000 profit that this guy
has made selling 'free as in beer' software.
Cheers
Daniel
12:13 p.m.
So we could be talking about at least US$50,000 profit that this guy
has made selling 'free as in beer' software.
Cheers
Daniel
How is this any different than the guys who sell 16 Linux distro's on CD to
people who want to buy it that way? There are lots of people that still like
a office full of CDs. It's easy to go back to what was working, or make two
machines work the same. There are good reasons to buy on CD.
I know one very knowledgeable Linux guy who is a top Redhat contributor that
subscribes to some service that sends him his distros all updated nicely
every 90 days on CD. He uses those and doesn't download anything off the
net. He's forgotten more than I'll ever know about Linux and he spends
$100/year for the service?
Why? Because it's a free choice about free software, even though the outcome
isn't free!
- Mark
1:32 p.m.
> So we could be talking about at least US$50,000
profit that this
> guy has made selling 'free as in beer' software.
How is this any different than the guys who sell 16
Linux distro's
on CD to people who want to buy it that way?
Audacity is a trivial download. There's no benefit to having it on CD
by itself. A value-added CD packed with royalty free samples might be
a different story, and the possibility of producing that has been
discussed on the Audacity lists.
Cheers
Daniel
1:56 p.m.
Audacity is a trivial download. There's no benefit
to having it on CD
by itself. A value-added CD packed with royalty free samples might be
a different story, and the possibility of producing that has been
discussed on the Audacity lists.
Cheers
Daniel
My last post on this subject and then I'm done.
Quote "There's no benefit to having it on CD by itself."
Please do not think that you know what is, or is not, of benefit to someone
else. What about a person that doesn't have a CD burner? What about a person
who wants a backup copy so when the next release comes out and doesn't work
he can go back? What about Grandma putting it under the Christmas tree for
her grand kid? There are lots of 'reasonable' reasons for others that might
not be 'reasonable' to you.
So often people on these lists, and I'm not speaking specifically of you
here Daniel, are *so* technically adept that they just plain forget what the
real world is like for non-technical people. You don't know what people are
doing out there. You don't know what their reasons are for wanting this. To
many people this sort of purchase will be exactly like buying a tabloid at
the checkout counter. I don't do that, but I don't propose taking away
anyone's right to do it, nor do I spend any time worrying about whether they
got their moneys worth. That's their business, not mine.
This guy obviously got the message from you and others here through Ebay and
has changed the way he's making his offer. That's positive. If someone wants
to but it, I think that's great. If you want to sell Audacity, I think
that's great too. Anything that gets people using the software is probably
better in the long run for Open Source. I've turned so many people on to the
few Windows versions of Open Source stuff that exist, like Audacity and
ZynAddSubFx. I prefer to use them under Linux, but most musicians don't have
a Linux box. I see this as one good way to eventually bring people to the
Linux world. They start with this stuff on Windows, but they know it runs on
Linux, and then maybe, someday, when they have a choice to make about
operating systems they won't say 'there is no software for Linux'.
Bye,
Mark
3:33 p.m.
All good valid points Mark. More power to him if he can make money and
get these really good products noticed.
Jan
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 11:53, Mark Knecht wrote:
Audacity is a
trivial download. There's no benefit to having it on CD
by itself. A value-added CD packed with royalty free samples might be
a different story, and the possibility of producing that has been
discussed on the Audacity lists.
Cheers
Daniel
My last post on this subject and then I'm done.
Quote "There's no benefit to having it on CD by itself."
Please do not think that you know what is, or is not, of benefit to someone
else. What about a person that doesn't have a CD burner? What about a person
who wants a backup copy so when the next release comes out and doesn't work
he can go back? What about Grandma putting it under the Christmas tree for
her grand kid? There are lots of 'reasonable' reasons for others that might
not be 'reasonable' to you.
So often people on these lists, and I'm not speaking specifically of you
here Daniel, are *so* technically adept that they just plain forget what the
real world is like for non-technical people. You don't know what people are
doing out there. You don't know what their reasons are for wanting this. To
many people this sort of purchase will be exactly like buying a tabloid at
the checkout counter. I don't do that, but I don't propose taking away
anyone's right to do it, nor do I spend any time worrying about whether they
got their moneys worth. That's their business, not mine.
This guy obviously got the message from you and others here through Ebay and
has changed the way he's making his offer. That's positive. If someone wants
to but it, I think that's great. If you want to sell Audacity, I think
that's great too. Anything that gets people using the software is probably
better in the long run for Open Source. I've turned so many people on to the
few Windows versions of Open Source stuff that exist, like Audacity and
ZynAddSubFx. I prefer to use them under Linux, but most musicians don't have
a Linux box. I see this as one good way to eventually bring people to the
Linux world. They start with this stuff on Windows, but they know it runs on
Linux, and then maybe, someday, when they have a choice to make about
operating systems they won't say 'there is no software for Linux'.
Bye,
Mark
6 Dec
6 Dec
5:49 a.m.
On 05 Dec 2003 13:11:00 -0600, Jan Depner wrote / a écrit:
All good valid points Mark. More power to him if he
can make money and
get these really good products noticed.
Jan
And I know that it sounds dumb throwing a post just for that, but I'd like to say me
too, I agree.
cheers
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5 Dec
5 Dec
2:17 p.m.
On Friday 05 December 2003 12:34, Daniel James wrote:
Audacity is a trivial download. There's no benefit
to having
it on CD by itself. A value-added CD packed with royalty free
Back in my Windows days, I picked up Data Becker's MP3 editor for
10 bucks at Staples and the CD contained something like a 3MB
setup.exe that just installed an ~800K stand-alone executable
and some shortcuts. That sort of thing is actually pretty
common in the "bargain bin" subcategory of retail Windows
software, I think, and depends primarily on impulse buys.
Speaking of which, anyone know of any graphical mp3 editors (as
in no reconversion except of changed frames) for Linux? I've
thought about trying to write one using PerlQt but that would be
a bigger project than I have time for right now. The Data
Becker one runs mostly fine under Wine, IIRC, but I'd rather
recommend a native solution to people. I guess you should
change the subject line if you know of one ;)
Rob
2:37 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] graphic MP3 editor
Rob wrote:
... anyone know of any graphical mp3 editors (as
in no reconversion except of changed frames) for Linux? I've
thought about trying to write one using PerlQt but that would be
a bigger project than I have time for right now. The Data
Becker one runs mostly fine under Wine, IIRC, but I'd rather
recommend a native solution to people. I guess you should
change the subject line if you know of one ;)
How about Maaate :
http://www.cmis.csiro.au/maaate/
Best,
== dp
4:46 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] graphic MP3 editor
On Friday 05 December 2003 13:44, Dave Phillips wrote:
Rob wrote:
Well, I don't see how to use Maaate or its GUI Bewdy as an mp3
editor in the style of MP3 Editor. I'm talking dead simple
Audacity style interface, only you're looking at MPEG frame
peaks and cutting on boundaries/fading in and out, simple things
like that, and it saves the unmodified MPEG frames back out,
recompressing the changed frames (through fading or whatever) on
the fly. I'd send a screenshot but for some reason they don't
seem to exist.
There is a console MP3 cutter, "MPGEDIT" at
http://www.mpgedit.org that looks like it might be wrappable by
a GUI app like the one described above (they have a Tk thing
called xmpgedit but it just works on index points like the
command line and curses apps) but again, I haven't found the
time to start working on that (maybe Maaate's visual analysis
features would be good to reuse in such an app.)
However, your post did remind me of the existence of your sound
apps page, and I went and looked and discovered mpcut, which
looks and acts much like a stripped down Data Becker MP3 Editor.
Of course, it hasn't been updated in about 3 years, has no
fading, locks up for the duration of playback, and chokes on
most of the mp3's I tried it on (guessing it has issues with
VBR) but it does qualify in theory.
Rob
... anyone know of any graphical mp3 editors (as
in no reconversion except of changed frames) for Linux? I've
How about Maaate
:
http://www.cmis.csiro.au/maaate/ 
4:19 p.m.
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Daniel James wrote:
Audacity is a trivial download.
There's no benefit to having it on CD
by itself.
But he is also doing _marketing_! Even if developers would not see any of
the money, this activity will positively affect Audacity's market share
(more users!). And this again will also help (now and in the future) other
parties (maybe the developer team if they decide to go into business)
selling Audacity in various forms (CDs, support-packages, books, courses,
etc).
Even if we consider the absolute worst case of how GPL software can be
legally used - name changed, no links to original developers except
copyrights, etc - there will still be a lot more people who are accustomed
to the UI. This is valuable when the dev-team starts selling CDs...
In this specific case, the only potential problem is whether GPL rules are
followed. Until someone buys the CD, and reports that there are no
sources included, nor a written offer for the sources, we have no grounds
for complaints.
Btw; as for the worst case scenario - I don't think it's possible
completely hide the origins of a GPL'ed program without violating
the license terms. GPL 2.c) says:
""c) If the modified program normally reads commands interactively
when run, you must cause it, when started running for such
interactive use in the most ordinary way, to print or display an
announcement including an appropriate copyright notice and a
notice that there is no warranty (or else, saying that you provide
a warranty) and that users may redistribute the program under
these conditions, and telling the user how to view a copy of this
License. (Exception: if the Program itself is interactive but
does not normally print such an announcement, your work based on
the Program is not required to print an announcement.)""
... so if a program prints a copyright notice, you are not
allowed to remove it. Or at least that's how I interpret the above.:)
--
http://www.eca.cx
Audio software for Linux!
So we could be talking about at least US$50,000 profit
that this
guy has made selling 'free as in beer' software.
How is this any different
than the guys who sell 16 Linux distro's 
6 Dec
6 Dec
5:09 a.m.
Let's face it he's selling to Windows and Mac users for a very low price.
Heh!
On Friday 05 December 2003 16:09, Mark Knecht wrote:
I agree, it's about choice. I could almost justify getting one for one of my
poor Windows using friends who doesn't have apt-get. Partly to have a look.
It's unlikely that I will, however, for various other reasons - like not
having an ebay account. :-]
cheers
tim hall
So we could be
talking about at least US$50,000 profit that this guy
has made selling 'free as in beer' software.
Cheers
Daniel
How is this any different than the guys who sell 16 Linux distro's on CD to
people who want to buy it that way? There are lots of people that still
like a office full of CDs. It's easy to go back to what was working, or
make two machines work the same. There are good reasons to buy on CD.
I know one very knowledgeable Linux guy who is a top Redhat contributor
that subscribes to some service that sends him his distros all updated
nicely every 90 days on CD. He uses those and doesn't download anything off
the net. He's forgotten more than I'll ever know about Linux and he spends
$100/year for the service?
Why? Because it's a free choice about free software, even though the
outcome isn't free!
12:05 p.m.
Uh, Tim, why don't you just download the software and make CDs for your
friends yourself?
Jan
On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 03:07, tim hall wrote:
I agree, it's about choice. I could almost justify
getting one for one of my
poor Windows using friends who doesn't have apt-get. Partly to have a look.
It's unlikely that I will, however, for various other reasons - like not
having an ebay account. :-]
cheers
tim hall
8 Dec
8 Dec
9:01 a.m.
On Saturday 06 December 2003 15:42, Jan Depner wrote:
Uh, Tim, why don't you just download the software
and make CDs for your
friends yourself?
a) I don't actually have a CD burner yet
b) I'm so green around the gills that I wouldn't have a clue how to create
Windows or Mac compatible binaries. Most of my friends wouldn't know what to
do with the source code either. Really and truly an open source package
manager for these systems would be the way to go. (I've not looked)
c) I'd be more inclined to offer to install some version of Linux for them if
they were really that interested and let them go from there.
Apart from that, point taken.
cheers
tim hall
PS: Watching my nine-year old and various friends use my system, I'd say the
Linux Desktop for casual users is here, given the availability of technical
support. IMX it's the configuration that is difficult, not the installation &
usage.
9:31 a.m.
New subject: Is the Linux desktop really here ? was: Re: [linux-audio-user] ebay guy: looks like he figured it out
tim hall wrote:
PS: Watching my nine-year old and various friends use
my system, I'd say the
Linux Desktop for casual users is here, given the availability of technical
support. IMX it's the configuration that is difficult, not the installation &
usage.
Hi Tim:
A few days ago I wrote to the list and recounted a story about setting
up a Windows 2000 system for some
very non-computer-savvy friends of mine. Well, that saga knows no end: I
had to go to their house yesterday
and get it going for them again. It's true that they are *really* in the
dark about their machine, but it's got so
ridiculous that I've decided on a new plan. I'm going to set up a Linux
box for them and see how they do with it.
These people do very little else but use a Web browser (what they call
"the computer") so I want to see just how
hard or easy it would be for them to use a modern Linux system. It'll be
an interesting experiment, and if I have to deal
with the system at least it will be a real OS with real tools and the
real possibility of actually fixing it if it breaks.
Win2K is nice, but what a vacant system ! I can't believe people have
paid so much and received so little in return
for their money.
Anyway, if this experiment works I'll report back to this group. The
folks using this box aren't music/sound people,
but I do plan on setting up XMMS, RealPlayer, and possibly xine or
Mplayer for on-line video feeds. Let me know if
you have any suggestions for making it as easy as possible for them to use.
Best regards,
Dave Phillips
10:59 a.m.
New subject: Is the Linux desktop really here ? was: Re: [linux-audio-user] ebay guy: looks like he figured it out
Dave:
Here are some notes:
Web browser:
Get latest Mozilla release from www.mozilla.org. It could be 1.5 or the
1.6 beta.
Install java from java.sun.com
Also install the rpm plugger or get latest from
http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger.html
About printing from Mozilla:
To get a better printout from Mozilla you need to get the xprint printer
server from . http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xprint/
Mozilla will try to contact xprint to print. If xprint is installed it
will show you the list of installed printers, if not, it will just give
you option to select the print command (e.g. lpr).
Using xprint you can first select a print preview, then you can decrease
or increase font size , then send it to the desired printer. It will
save you some extra pages.
For example, using xprint will not split the last line so half line
appears in one page and half line appears on the next one. Xprint will
avoid that.
Xprint is used by another applications if installed.
XMMS:
Some Linux brands, like Red Hat are not including the MP3 plugin due to
copyrights. But, you can get them from ftp.redhat.com.
You can also get lot of plugins for XMMS, including ALSA or ARTSD plugins.
For word processing, of course: Openoffice 1.1. You can now create PDF
files fast! and open or create all kind of MS Office files.
Jpilot will work with your Palm or Visor PDA. There is a lot of Palm
pilot commands.
You can use kshowmail as a email checker.
You can get acrobat reader from Adobe. Linux has some other PDF readers.
Be sure to get latest Alsa drivers.
To chat with MSN friends: get AMSN or GAIM. You can also get Yahoo
messenger or AOL AIM messenger.
To have a Winmodem working: Pray a lot. They are plug and pray.
To buy a digital camera: Fisrt look if it is supported by Linux.
Digital Cameras are plug and play if suported by Linux.
To edit ascii files: VI of course.
To edit images: Gimp.
Then, have all of them to try to get to level 25 in ksokoban.
GZS
Dave Phillips wrote:
tim hall wrote:
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PS: Watching my nine-year old and various friends
use my system, I'd
say the Linux Desktop for casual users is here, given the availability
of technical support. IMX it's the configuration that is difficult,
not the installation & usage.
Hi Tim:
A few days ago I wrote to the list and recounted a story about setting
up a Windows 2000 system for some
very non-computer-savvy friends of mine. Well, that saga knows no end: I
had to go to their house yesterday
and get it going for them again. It's true that they are *really* in the
dark about their machine, but it's got so
ridiculous that I've decided on a new plan. I'm going to set up a Linux
box for them and see how they do with it.
These people do very little else but use a Web browser (what they call
"the computer") so I want to see just how
hard or easy it would be for them to use a modern Linux system. It'll be
an interesting experiment, and if I have to deal
with the system at least it will be a real OS with real tools and the
real possibility of actually fixing it if it breaks.
Win2K is nice, but what a vacant system ! I can't believe people have
paid so much and received so little in return
for their money.
Anyway, if this experiment works I'll report back to this group. The
folks using this box aren't music/sound people,
but I do plan on setting up XMMS, RealPlayer, and possibly xine or
Mplayer for on-line video feeds. Let me know if
you have any suggestions for making it as easy as possible for them to use.
Best regards,
Dave Phillips
4:17 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Is the Linux desktop really here?
Dave Phillips wrote:
tim hall wrote:
My biggest suggestion is to install and run an ssh server and a VNC server
on it, so you can fix things for them remotely. VNC is also handy for
showing them how to do things while you're on the phone with them, because
you're looking at the same screen and using the same keyboard/mouse that
they are. It's been invaluable to me for working on my mom's PC from 170
miles away.
-Anthony
http://nodivisions.com/
PS: Watching my nine-year old and various friends
use my system, I'd
say the Linux Desktop for casual users is here, given the availability
of technical support. IMX it's the configuration that is difficult,
not the installation & usage.
Hi Tim:
A few days ago I wrote to the list and recounted a story about setting
up a Windows 2000 system for some
very non-computer-savvy friends of mine. Well, that saga knows no end: I
had to go to their house yesterday
and get it going for them again. It's true that they are *really* in the
dark about their machine, but it's got so
ridiculous that I've decided on a new plan. I'm going to set up a Linux
box for them and see how they do with it.
These people do very little else but use a Web browser (what they call
"the computer") so I want to see just how
hard or easy it would be for them to use a modern Linux system. It'll be
an interesting experiment, and if I have to deal
with the system at least it will be a real OS with real tools and the
real possibility of actually fixing it if it breaks.
Win2K is nice, but what a vacant system ! I can't believe people have
paid so much and received so little in return
for their money.
Anyway, if this experiment works I'll report back to this group. The
folks using this box aren't music/sound people,
but I do plan on setting up XMMS, RealPlayer, and possibly xine or
Mplayer for on-line video feeds. Let me know if
you have any suggestions for making it as easy as possible for them to use.
4:29 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Is the Linux desktop really here?
Is your mom using XP or Win 2000?
You can also try rdesktop included in Red Hat 9 and some others. Or
download it from Sourceforge.net.
It is a small source tar ball.
rdesktop will allow you to connect to Windows Termianl Server.
You should install and aneble it on XP and W2k.
Then you type : rdesktop remore_host_name (or IP)
faster than VNC. VNC is slow.
GZS
I know we are off topic... But, come on... It is Linux!.
GZS
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tim hall wrote:
My biggest suggestion is to install and run an ssh server and a VNC
server on it, so you can fix things for them remotely. VNC is also
handy for showing them how to do things while you're on the phone with
them, because you're looking at the same screen and using the same
keyboard/mouse that they are. It's been invaluable to me for working on
my mom's PC from 170 miles away.
-Anthony
http://nodivisions.com/
PS: Watching my nine-year old and various friends
use my system, I'd
say the Linux Desktop for casual users is here, given the
availability of technical support. IMX it's the configuration that is
difficult, not the installation & usage.
Hi Tim:
A few days ago I wrote to the list and recounted a story about
setting up a Windows 2000 system for some
very non-computer-savvy friends of mine. Well, that saga knows no end:
I had to go to their house yesterday
and get it going for them again. It's true that they are *really* in
the dark about their machine, but it's got so
ridiculous that I've decided on a new plan. I'm going to set up a
Linux box for them and see how they do with it.
These people do very little else but use a Web browser (what they call
"the computer") so I want to see just how
hard or easy it would be for them to use a modern Linux system. It'll
be an interesting experiment, and if I have to deal
with the system at least it will be a real OS with real tools and the
real possibility of actually fixing it if it breaks.
Win2K is nice, but what a vacant system ! I can't believe people have
paid so much and received so little in return
for their money.
Anyway, if this experiment works I'll report back to this group. The
folks using this box aren't music/sound people,
but I do plan on setting up XMMS, RealPlayer, and possibly xine or
Mplayer for on-line video feeds. Let me know if
you have any suggestions for making it as easy as possible for them to
use.
5:46 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Is the Linux desktop really here?
My biggest suggestion is to install and run an ssh server and a
VNC server
on it, so you can fix things for them remotely. VNC is also handy for
showing them how to do things while you're on the phone with
them, because
you're looking at the same screen and using the same keyboard/mouse that
they are. It's been invaluable to me for working on my mom's PC from 170
miles away.
-Anthony
http://nodivisions.com/
This is what I'm doing with my dad. Add x0rfbserver to that list so that you
can view their running desktop and you've got a nice setup for handling
things no matter where you are.
- Mark
6:21 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Is the Linux desktop really here?
Mark Knecht wrote:
But VNC alone lets you view (and control) the remote desktop. What does
xOrfbserver add? I googled it and found a few pages about it, but I don't
really understand what it does that VNC doesn't.
-Anthony
http://nodivisions.com/
My biggest
suggestion is to install and run an ssh server and a
VNC server
on it, so you can fix things for them remotely. VNC is also handy for
showing them how to do things while you're on the phone with
them, because
you're looking at the same screen and using the same keyboard/mouse that
they are. It's been invaluable to me for working on my mom's PC from 170
miles away.
-Anthony
http://nodivisions.com/
This is what I'm doing with my dad. Add x0rfbserver to that list so that you
can view their running desktop and you've got a nice setup for handling
things no matter where you are.
6:59 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Is the Linux desktop really here?
But VNC alone lets you view (and control) the remote desktop. What does
xOrfbserver add? I googled it and found a few pages about it,
but I don't
really understand what it does that VNC doesn't.
I have never gotten vncserver (TightVNC version) to display the remote
desktop of a running Linux box. It will display a remote windows box, and it
will create a new display on the remote box, but not display the user's
running desktop.
I have been told that the beta version of RealVNC vncserver will do this,
but it requires a recompile of XFree with some patch, so I'm not up for that
when x0frbserver does a good job.
Anyway, that's my experience.
7:25 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Is the Linux desktop really here?
Anthony DiSante wrote:
...
But VNC alone lets you view (and control) the remote
desktop. What does
xOrfbserver add? I googled it and found a few pages about it, but I
don't really understand what it does that VNC doesn't.
it lets you view your regular X desktop via rfb protocol (=protocol
that vnc uses).
that way you can run "normal" X server locally (faster that running
VNC) and view it "directly" (on system console) and also view the same
desktop remotely.
using VNC itself you can only view VNC server (which is close but not
exactly same as your regular X server).
erik
4:25 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: Is the Linux desktop really here?
Dave Phillips wrote:
tim hall wrote:
Also, the Helix player is a browser plugin that I use; from what I can tell,
it looks like it's set to be the next version of RealPlayer (made by the
same people, plays the same formats). Except instead of the
linux-functionality being an afterthought, as with the original RealPlayer,
this time it's designed for linux. Anyway it's at:
http://player.helixcommunity.org/
I'm using the Dec 5th nightly build and it works fine. I just had to make
one change to the hxplay script (hard-code the path to hxplay.bin at the top
of it); other than that, it installed and works without a hitch.
-Anthony
http://nodivisions.com/
PS: Watching my nine-year old and various friends
use my system, I'd
say the Linux Desktop for casual users is here, given the availability
of technical support. IMX it's the configuration that is difficult,
not the installation & usage.
Hi Tim:
A few days ago I wrote to the list and recounted a story about setting
up a Windows 2000 system for some
very non-computer-savvy friends of mine. Well, that saga knows no end: I
had to go to their house yesterday
and get it going for them again. It's true that they are *really* in the
dark about their machine, but it's got so
ridiculous that I've decided on a new plan. I'm going to set up a Linux
box for them and see how they do with it.
These people do very little else but use a Web browser (what they call
"the computer") so I want to see just how
hard or easy it would be for them to use a modern Linux system. It'll be
an interesting experiment, and if I have to deal
with the system at least it will be a real OS with real tools and the
real possibility of actually fixing it if it breaks.
Win2K is nice, but what a vacant system ! I can't believe people have
paid so much and received so little in return
for their money.
Anyway, if this experiment works I'll report back to this group. The
folks using this box aren't music/sound people,
but I do plan on setting up XMMS, RealPlayer, and possibly xine or
Mplayer for on-line video feeds. Let me know if
you have any suggestions for making it as easy as possible for them to use. 
5 Dec
5 Dec
12:37 p.m.
Hallo,
Daniel James hat gesagt: // Daniel James wrote:
I wonder why they did it? I mean, the offer he makes is very fair, he
credits the authors and I don't see anything wrong with his auction
unless he doesn't provide source code, which is of course a licence
violation. But I guess, there's enough room on this CD for source. To
me it seems, as he's not doing anything that violates the Audacity
license. There even is a Money Back Guarantee.
ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3643501167&categ
ory=182
Name, logo, credits, pretty much everything. We all happy now?
I wonder if it's a coincidence that a lot of Audacity users have been
putting in complaints to eBay's fraud department...
1:33 p.m.
I wonder if
it's a coincidence that a lot of Audacity users have
been putting in complaints to eBay's fraud department...
I wonder why they did it? I mean, the offer he makes is very fair,
he credits the authors
2:32 p.m.
Hallo,
Daniel James hat gesagt: // Daniel James wrote:
He does now, and includes the true name of the
software. This is a new
development, which I'm very glad to see.
Ah, okay. So he was selling Audacity like he is now selling MySQL as
"SQL Server". Someone should tell Bill and Steve.
ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
12:43 p.m.
Hallo,
Daniel James hat gesagt: // Daniel James wrote:
I wonder if it's a coincidence that a lot of
Audacity users have been
putting in complaints to eBay's fraud department...
Wow, and he even sells something called "SQL Server Software Windows
.NET 2000 2003 XP" for all kinds of Windows and Linux(!), which in
fact seems to be MySQL. I'm impressed: This is a cool business idea. ;)
ciao
--
Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__
12:08 p.m.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3643501167&categ…
Name, logo, credits, pretty much everything. We all happy now?
Rob
Even beyond being happy, he now has an honest statement right at the
beginning of the page:
<QUOTE>
FINALLY! Audacity, the amazing open source audio editor
is available on CD for Windows and Macintosh users!
</QUOTE>
I think that's probably an honest statement, isn't it? Not really important,
but if someone always wanted to get an official copy on CD, now it's finally
available.
- Mark
12:48 p.m.
Much better!
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 09:02, Rob wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3643501167&categ…
Name, logo, credits, pretty much everything. We all happy now?
Rob
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