17 Dec
2014
17 Dec
'14
7:58 p.m.
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or recording apps
for Android?
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17 Dec
17 Dec
8:12 p.m.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:58 PM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or recording apps for
Android?
bwahahahahah! Android is basically a non-starter for this app niche at this
point in time. The exceptions prove the rule.
18 Dec
18 Dec
12:47 a.m.
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:12:51 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:58 PM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
OTOH Jack is dropped for the iPad :(.
"JACK does currently not work on iOS7!" -
http://www.crudebyte.com/jack-ios/
My iPad currently is on iOS 8.1.2 and there wasn't a jackd update ;).
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or recording
apps for Android?
bwahahahahah! Android is basically a non-starter for this app niche
at this point in time. The exceptions prove the rule. 
8:09 a.m.
I recently worked on this project that you might find useful:
https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~rmichon/mobileFaust/
If you don't know Faust, you can simply try to use the pre-made objects
from the catalog of the online compiler as it is shown in the demo video...
We're still beta testing the new version of faust2android so there might be
some bugs. Feel free to report them! :)
Cheers,
Romain
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:12:51 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:58 PM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
OTOH Jack is dropped for the iPad :(.
"JACK does currently not work on iOS7!" -
http://www.crudebyte.com/jack-ios/
My iPad currently is on iOS 8.1.2 and there wasn't a jackd update ;).
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Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or recording
apps for Android?
bwahahahahah! Android is basically a non-starter for this app niche
at this point in time. The exceptions prove the rule. 
11:54 a.m.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf(a)rocketmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:12:51 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
I don't know if or how well it works, but there seems to be JACK for
android:
https://github.com/KimJeongYeon/jack2_android
i also found this: https://github.com/google/patchfield in an article about
it here:
http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/patchfield-introduces-concepts-of-…
I have a hard time understanding why a tablet need to be approached so much
differently than computers. Alright, the interface is different.... but
what else? Can someone explain to me?
Although i love the idea to be able to paint with my finger tops all day
everyday, I told santa i'll be waiting until i can run my favorit GNU/linux
distro on them, by simply increasing the icon size.
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:58 PM, david
<gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
OTOH Jack is dropped for the iPad :(.
"JACK does currently not work on iOS7!" -
http://www.crudebyte.com/jack-ios/
My iPad currently is on iOS 8.1.2 and there wasn't a jackd update ;).
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or recording
apps for Android?
bwahahahahah! Android is basically a non-starter for this app niche
at this point in time. The exceptions prove the rule.
2:09 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 5:54 AM, Set Hallström <sakrecoer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have a hard time understanding why a tablet need to be approached so
much differently than computers. Alright, the interface is different....
but what else? Can someone explain to me?
in most GUI software the "interface" (mapping between model state, user
input and visual presentation) is the majority of the code. Changing the
interface isn't a detail, it's everything. Tablets have (a) no keyboard (b)
no concept of pointer motion without a drag (c) no concept of hover (d)
much less screen real estate (e) multitouch (in some cases, at least). that
is enough of a set of changes that any desktop application which took
advantage of some of the scale of a desktop system will likely need to be
reconceived fairly deeply.
3:51 p.m.
Thank you for your input, Paul.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com>
wrote:
in most GUI software the "interface" (mapping between model state, user
input and visual presentation) is the majority of the code. Changing the
interface isn't a detail, it's everything.
i'd never imagined this, but i guess it makes sense
Tablets have (a) no keyboard (b) no concept of pointer
motion without a
drag (c) no concept of hover (d) much less screen real estate (e)
multitouch (in some cases, at least). that is enough of a set of changes
that any desktop application which took advantage of some of the scale of a
desktop system will likely need to be reconceived fairly deeply.
What you write makes perfect sense, i guess that would explains why this
smartphone/tablet thing has been arround for so long and it still is so
difficult to run alternative non-proprietary software on them...? Just like
it took several years for GNU/Linux distros to lower themselves to my
acutaly quite poor level.
However, I can't shake the feeling that this shift also serves as an
argument for corporations to reshape the process of software distribution
and redefine standards and dependencies. But then again, my limited
knowledge of the actual mechanisms behind a User Interface may suggest that
I'm just being paranoid. :D
--
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4:25 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Set Hallström <sakrecoer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you for your input, Paul.
Tablets have (a) no keyboard (b) no concept of pointer motion without a
In the case of Android, there is also the fact that Google chose to make
Java the runtime environment. It isn't impossible to build and run "native"
(i.e. non-Java) applications for Android, but the platform certainly isn't
on your side if you want to do this. This means that "simple" ports of
desktop applications (at least those not written in Java already) is not
necessarily trivial, and could actually be quite hard.
drag (c) no concept of hover (d) much less screen
real estate (e)
multitouch (in some cases, at least). that is enough of a set of changes
that any desktop application which took advantage of some of the scale of a
desktop system will likely need to be reconceived fairly deeply.
What you write makes perfect sense, i guess that would explains why this
smartphone/tablet thing has been arround for so long and it still is so
difficult to run alternative non-proprietary software on them...? Just like
it took several years for GNU/Linux distros to lower themselves to my
acutaly quite poor level.
6:13 p.m.
On 18 December 2014 at 15:25, Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
In the case of Android, there is also the fact that
Google chose to make
Java the runtime environment. It isn't impossible to build and run
"native"
(i.e. non-Java) applications for Android, but the platform certainly isn't
on your side if you want to do this.
Except that isn't really true either. The Android VM isn't Java -
it's Dalvik which is a completely different beast with it's own
bytecode format, and rather a lot slower. The libraries are only
partially based on the Java API (eg. nothing graphical is). About the
only thing that's really Java in Android is the language itself ...
This means that "simple" ports of
desktop applications (at least those not written in Java already) is not
necessarily trivial, and could actually be quite hard.
... which all means that even porting a desktop application written in
Java would be far from trivial.
Best wishes,
Neil
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6:30 p.m.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:25:02 -0500
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Set Hallström
<sakrecoer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I recently acquired a Sony Xperia tablet (apparently running jellybean) and so
far I've yet to find *anything* I can use it for :(
--
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http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
Thank you for your input, Paul.
Tablets have (a) no keyboard (b) no concept of pointer motion without a
In the case of Android, there is also the fact that Google chose to make
Java the runtime environment. It isn't impossible to build and run
"native"
(i.e. non-Java) applications for Android, but the platform certainly isn't
on your side if you want to do this. This means that "simple" ports of
desktop applications (at least those not written in Java already) is not
necessarily trivial, and could actually be quite hard. drag (c) no concept of hover (d) much less screen
real estate (e)
multitouch (in some cases, at least). that is enough of a set of changes
that any desktop application which took advantage of some of the scale of a
desktop system will likely need to be reconceived fairly deeply.
What you write makes perfect sense, i guess that would explains why this
smartphone/tablet thing has been arround for so long and it still is so
difficult to run alternative non-proprietary software on them...? Just like
it took several years for GNU/Linux distros to lower themselves to my
acutaly quite poor level.
19 Dec
19 Dec
6:13 a.m.
csound has a port for android.
pd has something for it too.
there are osc apps if you want to make button boxes.
kelly
On 12/18/2014 12:30 PM, Will Godfrey wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:25:02 -0500
Paul Davis <paul(a)linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Set Hallström
<sakrecoer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I recently acquired a Sony Xperia tablet (apparently running jellybean) and so
far I've yet to find *anything* I can use it for :(
Thank you for your input, Paul.
Tablets have (a) no keyboard (b) no concept of pointer motion without a
In the case of Android, there is also the fact that Google chose to make
Java the runtime environment. It isn't impossible to build and run
"native"
(i.e. non-Java) applications for Android, but the platform certainly isn't
on your side if you want to do this. This means that "simple" ports of
desktop applications (at least those not written in Java already) is not
necessarily trivial, and could actually be quite hard. drag (c) no concept of hover (d) much less screen
real estate (e)
multitouch (in some cases, at least). that is enough of a set of changes
that any desktop application which took advantage of some of the scale of a
desktop system will likely need to be reconceived fairly deeply.
What you write makes perfect sense, i guess that would explains why this
smartphone/tablet thing has been arround for so long and it still is so
difficult to run alternative non-proprietary software on them...? Just like
it took several years for GNU/Linux distros to lower themselves to my
acutaly quite poor level.
18 Dec
18 Dec
7:31 p.m.
On 12/18/2014 03:09 AM, Paul Davis wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 5:54 AM, Set Hallström <sakrecoer(a)gmail.com
<mailto:sakrecoer@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have a hard time understanding why a tablet need to be approached
so much differently than computers. Alright, the interface is
different.... but what else? Can someone explain to me?
in most GUI software the "interface" (mapping between model state, user
input and visual presentation) is the majority of the code. Changing the
interface isn't a detail, it's everything. Tablets have (a) no keyboard
Hmm, yet there are millions of keyboards available for them.
(b) no concept of pointer motion without a drag (c) no
concept of hover
That's true of all touch interfaces.
(d) much less screen real estate
Much more mobility.
(e) multitouch (in some cases, at least).
In pretty much every case now.
that is enough of a set of changes that any desktop
application
which took advantage of some of the scale of a desktop system will
likely need to be reconceived fairly deeply.
The UI would need to be reconceived. Which it should, since touch screen
is a different way of interacting with software. But I'd think a
properly-structured application has the UI and backend components
properly separated. So the same backend can be controlled via different
front ends.
--
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gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
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7:37 p.m.
Perhaps for Android are other interesting things available?! Remote
controls?!
Aren't there remote controls for MIDI MMC and/or CC and/or SysEx
available. IOW perhaps there's an application that provides a
virtual mixer, you could use with your preferred desktop or laptop PC?!
7:42 p.m.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:37:27 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Perhaps for Android are other interesting things
available?! Remote
controls?!
Aren't there remote controls for MIDI MMC and/or CC and/or SysEx
available. IOW perhaps there's an application that provides a
virtual mixer, you could use with your preferred desktop or laptop
PC?!
Oops, I wanted to point out that there might be a virtual mixer
available, that you can use with your preferred DAW running on a laptop
or desktop (tower) PC or to control parameters of a real or virtual
synth.
7:57 p.m.
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:37:27 +0100, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
I've used TouchDAW (http://www.humatic.de/htools/touchdaw/) successfully
to control Ardour from an Android tablet. Very useful in my limited use
case, and I hope to make more use of it in the near future.
Perhaps for Android are other interesting things
available?! Remote
controls?!
Aren't there remote controls for MIDI MMC and/or CC and/or SysEx
available. IOW perhaps there's an application that provides a
virtual mixer, you could use with your preferred desktop or laptop
PC?!
Oops, I wanted to point out that there might be a virtual mixer
available, that you can use with your preferred DAW running on a laptop
or desktop (tower) PC or to control parameters of a real or virtual
synth. 
21 Dec
21 Dec
1:52 p.m.
Am 18.12.2014 um 19:42 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:37:27 +0100, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
There are such Apps, I use this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bti.wirelessMixer
It connects using dsmidiwifi:
http://code.google.com/p/dsmi/downloads/detail?name=dsmidiwifi-v1.01.tgz&am…
a simple yet solid Server based on Java.
Borce Trajkovski offer the App as no-cost adware, unfortunately there is
no to-pay-for version without the ads. But it works OK for
remote-controlling Guitarix etc.
There is also Finger Play MIDI:
http://thesundancekid.net/blog/fingerplay-midi/
this one is a bit more advanced yet a bit more tricky to use...
here is a slightly outdated howto:
http://wootangent.net/2010/08/fingerplay-a-midi-controller-for-android/
Perhaps for Android are other interesting things
available?! Remote
controls?!
Aren't there remote controls for MIDI MMC and/or CC and/or SysEx
available. IOW perhaps there's an application that provides a
virtual mixer, you could use with your preferred desktop or laptop
PC?!
Oops, I wanted to point out that there might be a virtual mixer
available, that you can use with your preferred DAW running on a laptop
or desktop (tower) PC or to control parameters of a real or virtual
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5:46 p.m.
Am 21.12.2014 um 13:52 schrieb Hartmut Noack:
Am 18.12.2014 um 19:42 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
For remote control guitarix from you android device, you could as well
use the guitarix web-frontend
(best works in firefox fullscreen mode).
http://sourceforge.net/projects/guitarix/files/guitarix/guitarix-webui-0.28…
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:37:27 +0100, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
There are such Apps, I use this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bti.wirelessMixer
It connects using dsmidiwifi:
http://code.google.com/p/dsmi/downloads/detail?name=dsmidiwifi-v1.01.tgz&am…
a simple yet solid Server based on Java.
Borce Trajkovski offer the App as no-cost adware, unfortunately there is
no to-pay-for version without the ads. But it works OK for
remote-controlling Guitarix etc. Perhaps for Android are other interesting things
available?! Remote
controls?!
Aren't there remote controls for MIDI MMC and/or CC and/or SysEx
available. IOW perhaps there's an application that provides a
virtual mixer, you could use with your preferred desktop or laptop
PC?!
Oops, I wanted to point out that there might be a virtual mixer
available, that you can use with your preferred DAW running on a laptop
or desktop (tower) PC or to control parameters of a real or virtual
synth. There is also Finger Play MIDI:
http://thesundancekid.net/blog/fingerplay-midi/
this one is a bit more advanced yet a bit more tricky to use...
here is a slightly outdated howto:
http://wootangent.net/2010/08/fingerplay-a-midi-controller-for-android/
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18 Dec
7:43 p.m.
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:31 PM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
The UI would need to be reconceived. Which it should, since touch screen
is a different way of interacting with software. But I'd think a
properly-structured application has the UI and backend components properly
separated. So the same backend can be controlled via different front ends.
Roughly 75% of the Ardour codebase is the GUI.
"hardour" (headless ardour") is a separate executable which has no GUI at
all and is controllable via MIDI, OSC and Mackie Control. Full separation,
but not out-of-process.
17 Dec
17 Dec
10:55 p.m.
On 12/17/2014 07:58 PM, david wrote:
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or
recording apps
for Android?
For recording I use TapeMachine but I'm about to buy Audio Evolution
Mobile DAW so I can use my USB audio interface with my phone or tablet.
Haven't used Android for other things than recording, basically because
the apps are lacking. So I partly agree with Paul.
Jeremy
18 Dec
18 Dec
12:17 a.m.
I've played with Caustic a little, and I used to have a fun theremin app on
my phone that used the NFC proximity sensor. I've looked at some other
Android software, but Caustic was the most capable title I came across.
Capable as it is, I didn't like it enough to stick with it. I do all my
music work on Linux PC.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com>
wrote:
On 12/17/2014 07:58 PM, david wrote:
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Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis
and/or recording apps
for Android?
For recording I use TapeMachine but I'm about to buy Audio Evolution
Mobile DAW so I can use my USB audio interface with my phone or tablet.
Haven't used Android for other things than recording, basically because
the apps are lacking. So I partly agree with Paul.
Jeremy
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On 12/17/2014 01:55 PM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
On 12/17/2014 07:58 PM, david wrote:
Audio Evolution is probably best for recording, I played around with
it a bit, with USB input device (and special host USB cable which makes
it possible for tablet to behave as USB host) you get pretty low latency
(didn't measure it),
plus the developer was very responsive,
erik
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis
and/or recording apps
for Android?
For recording I use TapeMachine but I'm about to buy Audio Evolution
Mobile DAW so I can use my USB audio interface with my phone or tablet.
Haven't used Android for other things than recording, basically because
the apps are lacking. So I partly agree with Paul. 
19 Dec
19 Dec
7:10 p.m.
On 17 December 2014 at 22:55, Jeremy Jongepier <jeremy(a)autostatic.com> wrote:
On 12/17/2014 07:58 PM, david wrote:
I'm using RecForge II (Pro, paid edition) on my phone. It's adequate
to record my son's choir concerts. The fidelity would be better with
a better microphone setup and placement. RecForge II is easily
capable of capturing what gets through the mic and A/D. I wouldn't
try doing anything "pro" with this setup, regardless of the "Pro" in
the name.
Have fun....
--
Kevin
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis
and/or recording apps
for Android?
For recording I use TapeMachine but I'm about to buy Audio Evolution
Mobile DAW so I can use my USB audio interface with my phone or tablet.
Haven't used Android for other things than recording, basically because
the apps are lacking. So I partly agree with Paul. 
17 Dec
17 Dec
11:54 p.m.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:58 PM, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or
recording apps for
Android?
Caustic is a lot of fun, and has some high-quality synths. The
developer(s) have some good plans for new features--last time I was
following along there was experimental midi device support. The
desktop version for Mac & Windows is free, but you'll have to pay $8
to get the "save" button on a tablet.
I wish there was a more natural way to do notation for phrases longer
than 1 measure and a way to tune the knobs in smaller increments, but
it's otherwise great.
18 Dec
18 Dec
12:39 a.m.
2014-12-17 16:58 GMT-02:00 david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com>om>:
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or recording apps for
Android?
AUDIOID
really nice TB303, 808 and 909 emulation, lots of fun
KOSM
audio composition app based on gravity and mass, once you get it is very
addictive
MikroWave
from the same developer of Kosm, haven't tested it..
10:47 a.m.
New subject: [OT}: Re: Just got Android tablet for Christmas
On 17/12/2014 19:58, david wrote:
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or
recording apps
for Android?
Android has a stock audio recorder.
And you can get pretty cool ringtones for it :-)
(Sorry couldn't resit)
10:55 a.m.
New subject: [OT}: Re: Just got Android tablet for Christmas
2014-12-18 10:47 GMT+01:00 Lorenzo Sutton <lorenzofsutton(a)gmail.com>om>:
Android
has a stock audio recorder.
And you can get pretty cool ringtones for it :-)
Custom ringtones are broken on Lollipop:
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=80341
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79551
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=82266
(Sorry couldn't resit)
Me neither ;-)
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On 12/17/2014 01:58 PM, david wrote:
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or
recording apps
for Android?
From Brazil there are some experimental open source apps, mostly based
on Libpd ( code here https://github.com/cristianofigo/musica_movel )
*D-Sonus*
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.musicamovel.drawingsound
*Looper*
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.musicamovel.looper
*Arvoritmo*
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cl.javiercruz.arvore
*Photosíntese*
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=processing.test.photosintese
*Horizontes*
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.twobigears.pdprocessingtem…
*BITSLC*
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wordpress.brunorohde.bitslc
*Multigranular*
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wordpress.musicamovelbahia…
*Anartistas*
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.musicamovel.anartista
regards,
Federico Lopez
19 Dec
19 Dec
11:21 p.m.
On 12/17/2014 07:58 PM, david wrote:
Any ideas for good music composition, synthesis and/or
recording apps
for Android?
Caustic rocks!
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20 Dec
20 Dec
8:19 a.m.
On 12/19/2014 12:21 PM, Atte wrote:
On 12/17/2014 07:58 PM, david wrote:
Sure does! Just grabbed the free Windows version to see what more fun I
can have (assuming WINE will work on my system).
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