Kent, Gary wrote: I doubt actually that you'll notice the difference in 'top' between KDE on the high end and fluxbox or other more spartan environments on the bottom end. You would likely see a decrease in memory usage under fvwnm and certainly fluxbox vs. KDE, but static CPU usage will be pretty good in both cases. I think it's far more likely that the spartan environments like fluxbox, which are running far fewer processes, will create fewer glitches in your system timing. It's hard to cut and paste a ps aux and have it be readable in an email, but with X up and running I only have roughly 20 processes running under fluxbox. I don't run KDE anymore, but when I did it was more like 40, and my experience was that those processes would come alive at strange times and upset my system's throughput just a bit. I was looking at fvwm a bit this afternoon and think it looks qute interesting also. I may try it out, although I'm not all that interested in learning a new environment right now. HTH, Mark