20 Dec
2005
20 Dec
'05
4:52 p.m.
i wonder, since noteedit depends on lilypond for printing, why don't the
developers of noteedit just use lilypond as an external editor/printer
so that any newbye would find it easy to print the score?
of course, if it doesn't find lilypond, it can just say: "lilypond does
not seem to be installed on this machine (or whatever)", and the newbye
will simply try to install it (as i don't think it's sane to make
lilypond a dependency of noteedit).
until noteedit gets internal printing support, i am sure what i suggest
is absolutely useful -- or please explain why not.
(i very much wonder why the noteedit devs haven't already considered it.
i guess it is trivial to implement.)
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21 Dec
21 Dec
5:34 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] NOTEEDIT to use Lilypond as an external printer?
I. I. Ooisen wrote:
i wonder, since noteedit depends on lilypond for
printing, why don't the
developers of noteedit just use lilypond as an external editor/printer
so that any newbye would find it easy to print the score?
of course, if it doesn't find lilypond, it can just say: "lilypond does
not seem to be installed on this machine (or whatever)", and the newbye
will simply try to install it (as i don't think it's sane to make
lilypond a dependency of noteedit).
until noteedit gets internal printing support, i am sure what i suggest
is absolutely useful -- or please explain why not.
(i very much wonder why the noteedit devs haven't already considered it.
i guess it is trivial to implement.)
Please don't be teaching, please. Details
can be tricky in a grown up
project like this!
As a surprise, this feature exactly is in the works, out in very few
weeks. And when you check in
http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/noteedit/trunk/ for example the file
ChangeLog, you see, there are people having fun with NoteEdit and
improving it in every direction. And we have there mailing lists, but to
get mentioned on lau is an honor :)
Lilypond is a beautiful post processor. Abc and Musixtex represent other
tastes and senses for design, so we try to support all of them, or none.
After reading your other thread above, a few thoughts: The installation
and proper setup of sound components is still a challenge. If you're a
newbe, Debian, Mandriva, Suse, are relatively save to go. You need a
lot: alsa with midi, tse3, a soft synth, a print processor, maybe
realtime-lsm to get glitch free playback, artsd be friendly, and so on.
I'm used to run NoteEdit with timidity on jack, (together with ardour
when also recording with the multiface) with realtime-lsm configured.
The setup is still tricky, needs more time to become standardized.
Thanks all who are working on this! What can be done already now is
impressive.
For me somehow Rosegarden never worked out of my Suse box, so this is
still on my list to try out and to compare against NoteEdit! Maybe I
didn't try hard enough, because Jörg and others wrote a program that I
just like and use now a lot. This seemed to have happend also the other
way around.
If you want to help out, there are ways in every level, maybe just to
communicate, maybe bug reports. About the maturity of NoteEdit I'm quite
conservative, as a personal stance, sometimes shy to advertise it to the
wrong people. People will compare NoteEdit with commercial notation
software, and the overall experience on an arbitrary linux box can still
be irritating. The gap will narrow, as I see for the new year :)
Continue to enjoy NotEdit,
Regards,
Georg
7:02 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] NOTEEDIT to use Lilypond as an external printer?
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 11:34, Georg Rudolph wrote:
I. I. Ooisen wrote:
thank you very much for the wish and for the good news. are you a
contributor of noteedit?
i wonder, since noteedit depends on lilypond for
printing, why don't
the developers of noteedit just use lilypond as an external
editor/printer so that any newbye would find it easy to print the
score?
of course, if it doesn't find lilypond, it can just say: "lilypond
does not seem to be installed on this machine (or whatever)", and
the newbye will simply try to install it (as i don't think it's
sane to make lilypond a dependency of noteedit).
until noteedit gets internal printing support, i am sure what i
suggest is absolutely useful -- or please explain why not.
(i very much wonder why the noteedit devs haven't already considered
it. i guess it is trivial to implement.)
Please don't be teaching, please. Details can be tricky in a grown up
project like this!
As a surprise, this feature exactly is in the works, out in very few
weeks. And when you check in
http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/noteedit/trunk/ for example the file
ChangeLog, you see, there are people having fun with NoteEdit and
improving it in every direction. And we have there mailing lists, but
to get mentioned on lau is an honor :)
Lilypond is a beautiful post processor. Abc and Musixtex represent
other tastes and senses for design, so we try to support all of them,
or none.
After reading your other thread above, a few thoughts: The
installation and proper setup of sound components is still a
challenge. If you're a newbe, Debian, Mandriva, Suse, are relatively
save to go. You need a lot: alsa with midi, tse3, a soft synth, a
print processor, maybe realtime-lsm to get glitch free playback,
artsd be friendly, and so on. I'm used to run NoteEdit with timidity
on jack, (together with ardour when also recording with the
multiface) with realtime-lsm configured. The setup is still tricky,
needs more time to become standardized. Thanks all who are working on
this! What can be done already now is impressive.
For me somehow Rosegarden never worked out of my Suse box, so this is
still on my list to try out and to compare against NoteEdit! Maybe I
didn't try hard enough, because Jörg and others wrote a program that
I just like and use now a lot. This seemed to have happend also the
other way around.
If you want to help out, there are ways in every level, maybe just to
communicate, maybe bug reports. About the maturity of NoteEdit I'm
quite conservative, as a personal stance, sometimes shy to advertise
it to the wrong people. People will compare NoteEdit with commercial
notation software, and the overall experience on an arbitrary linux
box can still be irritating. The gap will narrow, as I see for the
new year :)
Continue to enjoy NotEdit, Regards,
Georg
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23 Dec
23 Dec
9:46 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] NOTEEDIT to use Lilypond as an external printer?
On Wednesday 21 December 2005 10:34, Georg Rudolph wrote:
After reading your other thread above, a few thoughts:
The
installation and proper setup of sound components is still a
challenge. If you're a newbe, Debian, Mandriva, Suse, are relatively
save to go. You need a lot: alsa with midi, tse3, a soft synth, a
print processor, maybe realtime-lsm to get glitch free playback,
artsd be friendly, and so on. I'm used to run NoteEdit with timidity
on jack, (together with ardour when also recording with the
multiface) with realtime-lsm configured. The setup is still tricky,
needs more time to become standardized. Thanks all who are working on
this! What can be done already now is impressive.
With Musix GNU+Linux is really easy to have sound (soft synth) with
Noteedit (or Rosegarden), alsa or jack.
--
Marcos Guglielmetti
Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux (www.musix.org.ar)
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21 Dec
21 Dec
5:54 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] NOTEEDIT to use Lilypond as an external printer?
On Tuesday 20 December 2005 15:27, I. I. Ooisen wrote:
i wonder, since noteedit depends on lilypond for
printing, why don't
the developers of noteedit just use lilypond as an external
editor/printer so that any newbye would find it easy to print the
score?
of course, if it doesn't find lilypond, it can just say: "lilypond
does not seem to be installed on this machine (or whatever)", and the
newbye will simply try to install it (as i don't think it's sane to
make lilypond a dependency of noteedit).
until noteedit gets internal printing support, i am sure what i
suggest is absolutely useful -- or please explain why not.
(i very much wonder why the noteedit devs haven't already considered
it. i guess it is trivial to implement.)
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i've just read the latest noteedit version supports printing, so i guess
my suggestion can be safely ignored now.
:)
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