11 Jun
2005
11 Jun
'05
3:48 p.m.
Greetings:
It has not been a good week.
As I mentioned yesterday I swapped my hardware into an identical box
as my original machine. Yesterday everything seemed to have returned to
normal operation. I watched some movies, worked on some music, and so forth.
Today I powered up the box, logged on to the net, downloaded the
latest Csound CVS and started compiling. After a few minutes everything
froze again, the machine was locked tight as a drum. I had to pull the
plug to restart, but when grub came up my keyboard was frozen. I pulled
the plug again and got my keyboard back after restarting.
Now I'm running memtest again. I realized yesterday that I'd run it on
only one RAM stick so I thought I'd better check again. However, at this
point I'm starting to suspect a bad drive. But *two* bad drives in the
system ?? As I mentioned in an earlier message, the machine failure
occurred regardless of which drive I was using (RH9 on /dev/hdb, FC3 on
/dev/hda).
So I'm bummed again. Looks like it's time to bite the bullet and buy a
whole new system. :(
Best,
dp
11 Jun
11 Jun
4:18 p.m.
Hi,
Dave Phillips a écrit :
Greetings:
It has not been a good week.
As I mentioned yesterday I swapped my hardware into an identical box as
my original machine.
Which hardware did you swap ? HD, memory, alim ?
Today I powered up the box, logged on to the net,
downloaded the latest
Csound CVS and started compiling. After a few minutes everything froze
again, the machine was locked tight as a drum.
Did you look at your system log ?
I had to pull the plug to
restart, but when grub came up my keyboard was frozen.
I pulled the plug
again and got my keyboard back after restarting.
You should look your temperature
when it freeze and if possible when
running.
Now I'm running memtest again. I realized yesterday that I'd run it on
only one RAM stick so I thought I'd better check again. However, at this
point I'm starting to suspect a bad drive.
You can eliminate this possibilities
using a live-cd distrib like
Knoppix which runs in memory.
But *two* bad drives in the
system ?? As I mentioned in an earlier message, the
machine failure
occurred regardless of which drive I was using (RH9 on /dev/hdb, FC3 on
/dev/hda).
It could be a problem with dma ? what about hdparm ?
So I'm bummed again. Looks like it's time to bite the bullet and buy a
whole new system. :(
All your system should not be bad.
Jody
4:51 p.m.
On Saturday 11 June 2005 19:23, Dave Phillips wrote:
Now I'm running memtest again. I realized
yesterday that I'd run it on
only one RAM stick so I thought I'd better check again. However, at this
point I'm starting to suspect a bad drive. But *two* bad drives in the
system ?? As I mentioned in an earlier message, the machine failure
occurred regardless of which drive I was using (RH9 on /dev/hdb, FC3 on
/dev/hda).
Ahh, possible clue...
Are hda and hdb on the same IDE controller (and possibly even the same cable)?
I have seen this kind of problem with IDE RAID where one drive is locking up
the IDE bus or the controller is faulty....
Try with a new IDE cable, and then with only one drive connected (may require
some faffing about to get what was the slave drive to boot as the master).
Just some thoughts.
HTH.
Regards, Dan.
5:01 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [OT] disaster redux
Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings:
It has not been a good week.
As I mentioned yesterday I swapped my hardware into an identical box
as my original machine. Yesterday everything seemed to have returned
to normal operation. I watched some movies, worked on some music, and
so forth.
Today I powered up the box, logged on to the net, downloaded the
latest Csound CVS and started compiling. After a few minutes
everything froze again, the machine was locked tight as a drum. I had
to pull the plug to restart, but when grub came up my keyboard was
frozen. I pulled the plug again and got my keyboard back after
restarting.
Now I'm running memtest again. I realized yesterday that I'd run it
on only one RAM stick so I thought I'd better check again. However, at
this point I'm starting to suspect a bad drive. But *two* bad drives
in the system ?? As I mentioned in an earlier message, the machine
failure occurred regardless of which drive I was using (RH9 on
/dev/hdb, FC3 on /dev/hda).
So I'm bummed again. Looks like it's time to bite the bullet and buy
a whole new system. :(
Hey Dave,
Obviously, each component that you transfered from the old to the new
system is suspect. Drives usually fail miserably, not after a while...
though, it's not impossible to suffer a long death. But, when they do,
it's usually noticeable upon reboot... but, again, not always (not an
exact science!). It's possible that you have a bad area on one of the
drives that is used for the swap space and when a critical area is
swapped it bombs.
From the thermal pov: Did you bring over IDE or SCSI cards for your
drive? If so, you might swap those out. But, it's stretching.
It sure sounds like a memory problem. (note that not all memtests test
memory effectively). Sometimes a memory problem is so small that it
doesn't necessarily effect the operation of the computer until later at
a random time. If I were you I'd swap out all memory and let it run.
If you can't swap out the memory, you could try booting up into DOS or
BIOS and just let it sit there for a good long while. Just something
that wouldn't exercise RAM to eliminate thermal or other parts that
you've transfered from the old computer.
brad
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13 Jun
13 Jun
10:23 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [OT] disaster redux
On Sat, Jun 11, 2005 at 12:01:36PM -0700, Brad Fuller wrote:
Dave Phillips wrote:
>Greetings:
>
> It has not been a good week.
>
> As I mentioned yesterday I swapped my hardware into an identical box
>as my original machine.
So motherboard and power supply ok.
>to normal operation. I watched some movies, worked
on some music, and
>so forth.
>
> Today I powered up the box, logged on to the net, downloaded the
>latest Csound CVS and started compiling.
gcc? gcc is known to find bad RAM. What is the brand of RAM?
Have heard stories of cheapo brand RAM failing under certain
circumstances. All sticks same brand?
>everything froze again, the machine was locked
tight as a drum. I had
>to pull the plug to restart, but when grub came up my keyboard was
>frozen. I pulled the plug again and got my keyboard back after
>restarting.
Swapping all components to an other machine just moves fault, but
will prove motherboard + power supply ok, unless you have two faults :-(
--
Chris.
======
11 Jun
11 Jun
5:08 p.m.
Hi Dave. I presume you checked whether the cmos battery was ok. It could be
worthwhile taking the battery out for an hour or so, to reset the cmos if you
know the batteries ok. Also, have you tried each drive individually on the
machine? Like , the one with RH9 on it might be ok, but the one with FC3
might have a problem, or vice versa. The faulty drive may be screwing up the
system even if your booted into the good one. Man, we're running out of ideas
here, and clutching at straws. Nigel.
On Saturday 11 Jun 2005 7:23 pm, Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings:
It has not been a good week.
As I mentioned yesterday I swapped my hardware into an identical box
as my original machine. Yesterday everything seemed to have returned to
normal operation. I watched some movies, worked on some music, and so
forth.
Today I powered up the box, logged on to the net, downloaded the
latest Csound CVS and started compiling. After a few minutes everything
froze again, the machine was locked tight as a drum. I had to pull the
plug to restart, but when grub came up my keyboard was frozen. I pulled
the plug again and got my keyboard back after restarting.
Now I'm running memtest again. I realized yesterday that I'd run it on
only one RAM stick so I thought I'd better check again. However, at this
point I'm starting to suspect a bad drive. But *two* bad drives in the
system ?? As I mentioned in an earlier message, the machine failure
occurred regardless of which drive I was using (RH9 on /dev/hdb, FC3 on
/dev/hda).
So I'm bummed again. Looks like it's time to bite the bullet and buy a
whole new system. :(
Best,
dp
8:15 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] effects processor setup
Hi all,
So I've got a couple of older pIV systems lying around... one with a
soundblaster live with the 1/4" inputs and a laptop with some ac97 card
(I think) in it.
What I am thinking about trying to do is to use these systems as effects
processors for guitar/bass and vocals... signal in... processing signal
out- maybe even for live sound- I don't know.
I am hoping that the latency introduced processing a single channel
won't be so bad... I am betting it won't...
Any body have any idea which packages I should be looking at?
Nick Torenvliet
12 Jun
12 Jun
1:30 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] effects processor setup
En/na Christoph Eckert ha escrit:
for guitar-bass creox is also a good choice.
Any body have
any idea which packages I should be looking
at?
LADSPAs combined with jack-rack or ardour are your friends.
Best regards
ce
:)
6:15 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] effects processor setup
Hi,
for guitar-bass creox is also a good choice.
I just installed it and it immediately froze my machine ;-) .
But anyway, after a restart I was back in business. Grant me a
question: Can it replace a complete amplifier unit for
E-guitars, and especially for basses?!?
If so I'd like to buy a bass because my MIDI basses never
sound like a real bass in any arrangement. If creox would
save me buying an amplifier I'd buy a bass.
BTW: The latest package is from 2003. Doesn't seem that
there's lot of activity...
Thanks & best regards
ce
6:59 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] effects processor setup
On Sunday 12 June 2005 22:16, Christoph Eckert wrote:
Most times, at least live, you plug the bass right into the mixer, no need
(from the technicians view) for an amp. So, yes, creox can be used for bass.
In my opinion its only the sound of guitars which has to go through real air,
not basses. But I think its more aimed at guitars, you don't really need
distortion on a bass, me thinks...
It misses tapped delays... ;-(
Arnold
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for
guitar-bass creox is also a good choice.
But anyway, after a restart I was back in
business. Grant me a
question: Can it replace a complete amplifier unit for
E-guitars, and especially for basses?!?
7:28 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] effects processor setup
Most times, at least live, you plug the bass right
into the
mixer, no need (from the technicians view) for an amp. So,
yes, creox can be used for bass.
Thanks for the info. I really love the abilities and the sound
of fretless basses like heard on many jazz albums. The main
advantage is that you're not limited to chromatic tunes.
I cannot actually play it, but I guess one day I'll buy one
2nd hand.
But I think its more aimed at guitars, you don't
really need distortion on a bass, me thinks...
It always a joy to make experiments :) . I remember that I
used a sampled fretless sound from a Roland U-20 years ago
and put it into a RAT. It was one of the warmest lead sounds
I ever got from a keyboard.
Best regards
ce
7:16 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] effects processor setup
En/na Christoph Eckert ha escrit:
Hi,
*I'm not an expert.* In fact, I asked the same question some time ago to
this list... Now that I have read *a little bit* of audio processing
literature, my conclusion is:
I don't think so. Speakers, cabinets and noisy complex non-linear amps
are awesome but very hard to emulate with software.
I have also tried many LADSPA plugins, windoze plugins, everything and
it never replaces a real cool amp. But if you accept that the sound will
be different from a real amp, you make like it...
for guitar-bass creox is also a good choice.
I just installed it and it immediately froze my machine ;-) .
But anyway, after a restart I was back in business. Grant me a
question: Can it replace a complete amplifier unit for
E-guitars, and especially for basses?!?
If so I'd like to buy a bass because my MIDI basses
never
sound like a real bass in any arrangement. If creox would
save me buying an amplifier I'd buy a bass.
IMHO MIDI or sample based programs will never be able to model a
string-intrument if they are keyboard-triggered. common sense.
BTW: The latest package is from 2003. Doesn't seem
that
there's lot of activity...
yap, i've just seen this now.
at the end of the http://zyzstar.kosoru.com/?creox site there's a list
of other interesting programs and
I'd also suggest ecamegapedal
Although my choice is to play the guitar with ardour (although it's
unstable), because it allows you to record, play with the metronome and
is very usable.
Thanks & best regards
ce
8:02 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] effects processor setup
Although my choice is to play the guitar with ardour
(although it's unstable)
I found one reason for instability: LADSPAs.
Before you use a certain LADSPA try loading it into jack-rack.
If it complains that the plugin isn't realtime capable, do
not use it in Ardour.
, because it allows you to record,
play with the metronome and is very usable.
Agreed. I'm very thankful to Paul who did present a stable
version of Ardour at the LAC this year. I immediately started
playing around with it.
Best regards
ce
1:59 a.m.
Hi Dave,
Sorry to hear you are having trouble with your system. Although the
following is very unlikely as your system has been working for some time
before this had occurred, sometimes memory stick positioning as well as
type/quality of the memory chips can cause all kinds of headaches. Not that
I am suggesting that you may have done so, but from my custom computer
building experience I've come to conclusion that one should never skimp out
on buying top quality memory chips, followed by equally important mobo and
power supply choices (and now for obligatory "sales pitch," ;-) for good,
yet affordable memory sticks my recommendation would be crucial.com--even
though I am not affiliated with them at all, I've had a few very positive
experiences with them). Furthermore, in the past I've had situations when
memtest-like programs failed to report any problems but the memory was
nonetheless faulty.
Finally, as last piece of advice (although this is very unlikely as you've
tried 2 different machines at this point), check whether your video card is
overheating as that will certainly freeze your system (as it gets older, the
heat dissipating silicone between processor and the heating grill becomes
less and less efficient).
Best of luck!
Ivica Ico Bukvic, composer & multimedia sculptor
http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/
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Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] [OT] disaster redux
Hi Dave. I presume you checked whether the cmos battery was ok. It could
be
worthwhile taking the battery out for an hour or so, to reset the cmos if
you
know the batteries ok. Also, have you tried each drive individually on the
machine? Like , the one with RH9 on it might be ok, but the one with FC3
might have a problem, or vice versa. The faulty drive may be screwing up
the
system even if your booted into the good one. Man, we're running out of
ideas
here, and clutching at straws. Nigel.
On Saturday 11 Jun 2005 7:23 pm, Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings:
>
> It has not been a good week.
>
> As I mentioned yesterday I swapped my hardware into an identical box
> as my original machine. Yesterday everything seemed to have returned to
> normal operation. I watched some movies, worked on some music, and so
> forth.
>
> Today I powered up the box, logged on to the net, downloaded the
> latest Csound CVS and started compiling. After a few minutes everything
> froze again, the machine was locked tight as a drum. I had to pull the
> plug to restart, but when grub came up my keyboard was frozen. I pulled
> the plug again and got my keyboard back after restarting.
>
> Now I'm running memtest again. I realized yesterday that I'd run it on
> only one RAM stick so I thought I'd better check again. However, at this
> point I'm starting to suspect a bad drive. But *two* bad drives in the
> system ?? As I mentioned in an earlier message, the machine failure
> occurred regardless of which drive I was using (RH9 on /dev/hdb, FC3 on
> /dev/hda).
>
> So I'm bummed again. Looks like it's time to bite the bullet and buy a
> whole new system. :(
>
> Best,
>
> dp
2:08 a.m.
heat dissipating silicone between processor and the
heating grill becomes
less and less efficient).
Oops! I meant heat dissipating grill lol.
Best wishes,
Ivica Ico Bukvic, composer & multimedia sculptor
http://meowing.ccm.uc.edu/~ico/
12 Jun
12 Jun
5:28 a.m.
On Saturday 11 June 2005 20:23, Dave Phillips wrote:
Now I'm running memtest again. I realized
yesterday that I'd run it on
only one RAM stick so I thought I'd better check again.
Just to be sure, you did run the full memtest? Or only the standard one?
I once had bad mem which only gave errors in test no. 11 and the standard
tests are only the first three as far as i remember...
Arnold
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Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be
replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
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