16 Dec
2002
16 Dec
'02
12:20 a.m.
Yeah, I'm
up for this. I'm not too familiar with making ebuilds, but it
looks to be fairly straightforward. At the moment, I've just set up a
hierarchy under /opt, where I manually (configure, make) compile +
install stuff. The trouble with this is that not all packages give the
option to specify a location (--foo-lib=DIR), and assumes stuff is
installed in /usr (grrr :)
Alrighty then. I've started to ask questions on the gentoo-user alias about
how best to deal with cvs ebuilds. Once there there are some answers i'll
put together a webpage for the files.
I considered going down the /opt path ;-) but it just isn't the gentoo way! 
16 Dec
16 Dec
7:56 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
Jack, Ardour and Alsaplayer are now all building. The relevant bugs,
with ebuilds attached, are:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12227
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12241
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12271
Ardour currently only builds with --disable-ksi (could it be made the
default?) The updated ebuild adds support for USE="-ksi". It must
therefore be built with:
env USE="-ksi" emerge ardour-cvs-0.5-r1.ebuild
Next up are some plugins. But first i have to go to work :-(
j.
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 01:15 PM, Jonathan Kraut wrote:
Jon/Mike -
Greetings! I'm new to the list and a gentoo user. I've been playing
with ebuilds. I made one for jack-cvs and, which I'll email it to
you, and to anyone else who wants. I'm working on some others so if
you find a place to throw them up I'd be happy to contribute.
Jonathan Kraut
jkraut1(a)nyc.rr.com
-- -
I don't want knowledge, I want certainty.
- David Bowie
Yeah, I'm up for this. I'm not too familiar
with making ebuilds, but
it
looks to be fairly straightforward. At the moment, I've just set up a
hierarchy under /opt, where I manually (configure, make) compile +
install stuff. The trouble with this is that not all packages give
the
option to specify a location (--foo-lib=DIR), and assumes stuff is
installed in /usr (grrr :)
Alrighty then. I've started to ask questions on the gentoo-user alias
about
how best to deal with cvs ebuilds. Once there there are some answers
i'll
put together a webpage for the files.
I considered going down the /opt path ;-) but it just isn't the
gentoo way!
17 Dec
17 Dec
7:52 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
Plugins (from http://www.plugin.org.uk) are now building:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12296
The alsaplayer-0.99.73 ebuild is now part of portage. I'm still working
on getting the others accepted.
I'll start to look at other jack enabled apps. next.
If anyone out there in user-land has experience with gentoo - how to
get the best out of it for linux audio, etc. please get in touch. I'd
like to start collecting info on a site.
Thanks
j.
On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 08:52 AM, Jon Ellis wrote:
Jack, Ardour and Alsaplayer are now all building. The
relevant bugs,
with ebuilds attached, are:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12227
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12241
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12271
Ardour currently only builds with --disable-ksi (could it be made the
default?) The updated ebuild adds support for USE="-ksi". It must
therefore be built with:
env USE="-ksi" emerge ardour-cvs-0.5-r1.ebuild
Next up are some plugins. But first i have to go to work :-(
j.
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 01:15 PM, Jonathan Kraut wrote:
Jon/Mike -
Greetings! I'm new to the list and a gentoo user. I've been playing
with ebuilds. I made one for jack-cvs and, which I'll email it to
you, and to anyone else who wants. I'm working on some others so if
you find a place to throw them up I'd be happy to contribute.
Jonathan Kraut
jkraut1(a)nyc.rr.com
-- -
I don't want knowledge, I want certainty.
- David Bowie
--
I don't want knowledge, I want certainty.
- David Bowie
Yeah, I'm up for this. I'm not too familiar
with making ebuilds,
but it
looks to be fairly straightforward. At the moment, I've just set up
a
hierarchy under /opt, where I manually (configure, make) compile +
install stuff. The trouble with this is that not all packages give
the
option to specify a location (--foo-lib=DIR), and assumes stuff is
installed in /usr (grrr :)
Alrighty then. I've started to ask questions on the gentoo-user
alias about
how best to deal with cvs ebuilds. Once there there are some answers
i'll
put together a webpage for the files.
I considered going down the /opt path ;-) but it just isn't the
gentoo way! 
11:23 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
Jon Ellis wrote:
Jack, Ardour and Alsaplayer are now all building. The
relevant bugs,
with ebuilds attached, are:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12227
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12241
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12271
Ardour currently only builds with --disable-ksi (could it be made the
default?) The updated ebuild adds support for USE="-ksi". It must
therefore be built with:
env USE="-ksi" emerge ardour-cvs-0.5-r1.ebuild
Next up are some plugins. But first i have to go to work :-(
This is a remarkable achievement.
Just wondering if you know the project leader, head developer... of
Ardour has specifically requested that only daily updated cvs builds be
made until an official release. Even this was debated hotly before it
was first attempted.
If these are not, I hope you're ready to field questions relating to
this as people are generally told to upgrade to latest cvs on ardour
users site and here too.
There are a few people attempting to make packages available but they
seem to have started in earnest only in the last two weeks. Is this a
phenomenon we are witnessing pre winter/summer vacation?
You should note that Suse stopped making packages when they were
informed of this request, Planet CCrma does not make complete packages
available, and the other major players have respected Paul up to now.
There is a case to be made for having the packaging systems working
correctly before the release is made to ensure a smooth transition.
If you are doing this then consider promoting it only to some testers
not the entire community and especially not to newbies who could become
put off your methods when given a chilly (though hopefully not
offensive) reception by other users on these lists or conversely when
told the only way to get help is to upgrade to cvs. This wouldn't
exactly make Gentoo look like it is built with the community spirit and
I wouldn't like people to get that impression of the project.
Trying to be upto the minute and cutting edge is a great concept for a
distro but upsetting major players in a community in the process is not
helpful to your aims or others.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
For the discerning hardware connoisseur
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
Being on stage with the band in front of crowds shouting, "Get off! No!
We want normal music!", I think that was more like acting than anything
I've ever done.
Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
The Scotsman
12:01 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
Just wondering if you know the project leader, head
developer... of
Ardour has specifically requested that only daily updated cvs builds be
made until an official release.
I don't think that's quite what Paul said. I think he said that *he* wasn't
making tarballs or RPM's available, not that other people shouldn't - and has
also said that he isn't interested in supporting outdated builds. Paul's site
says:
"If you are using RedHat Linux or other similar RPM-based package management
using distributions such as Mandrake, you might wish to visit Planet CCRMA
which provides easy to use RPM's of most of the software needed to run Ardour
and many other fine audio and MIDI tools."
In the context of Ardour, he says:
"I would prefer that people use CVS access."
http://ardour.sourceforge.net/download.html
Ultimately as Ardour is free software, I suppose if third parties want to
support non-CVS versions of the program, that would be up to those third
parties to do it - and not whine to Paul if it's broken...
Cheers
Daniel
1:16 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
Daniel James wrote:
You have confused my words. What is different? He has said he is ok with
supporting Tarballs that are updated daily. He has also made it very
clear that he is not happy with ditros packaging the product at this
point in time.
Just wondering
if you know the project leader, head developer... of
Ardour has specifically requested that only daily updated cvs builds be
made until an official release.
I don't think that's quite what Paul said. I think he said that *he* wasn't
making tarballs or RPM's available, not that other people shouldn't
Ultimately as Ardour is free software, I suppose if third parties want to
support non-CVS versions of the program, that would be up to those third
parties to do it - and not whine to Paul if it's broken...
That wouldn't be a problem if Paul hadn't already asked numerous high
profile distributors not to make them available yet. Surely it's not a
wise idea to go against the wishes of the lead developers of a project
when you know that the application will be a very high profile download
for a certain sector of your user base.
Getting a packaged system built is not necessarily the easiest way to do
things so forcing the issue now when there are so many changes still
being made is very dangerous territory.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Boost Hardware Ltd.
For the discerning hardware connoisseur
Http://www.boosthardware.com
Http://www.djcj.org - The Linux Audio Users guide
========================================
Being on stage with the band in front of crowds shouting, "Get off! No!
We want normal music!", I think that was more like acting than anything
I've ever done.
Goldie, 8 Nov, 2002
The Scotsman
18 Dec
18 Dec
5:55 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
Just wondering if you know the project leader, head
developer... of
Ardour has specifically requested that only daily updated cvs builds be
made until an official release.
I don't think that's quite what Paul said. I think he said that *he*
wasn't making tarballs or RPM's available, not that other people
shouldn't He has also made it very
clear that he is not happy with ditros packaging the product at this
point in time.
Although I don't think it says this on the Ardour site, that seems reasonable
given that it's clearly not ready for production use by the average user. As
Paul doesn't distribute Ardour binaries I don't think he is obliged under the
GPL to make the source code of the project available to distros. I expect he
could even use copyright to prevent binary distribution if he wished.
That wouldn't be a problem if Paul hadn't
already asked numerous high
profile distributors not to make them available yet.
Are there any distros distributing Ardour binaries, other than the specialist
audio distros?
Cheers
Daniel
17 Dec
17 Dec
1:20 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
Jon Ellis wrote:
> Jack, Ardour and Alsaplayer are now all building. The relevant bugs,
> with ebuilds attached, are:
Nice!
Patrick Harris wrote:
There are a few people attempting to make packages available but they
seem to have started in earnest only in the last two weeks. Is this a
phenomenon we are witnessing pre winter/summer vacation?
Gentoo has had ebuilds (don't know if you know gentoo, but an ebuild is a script that
downloads, compiles from source, and installs a package) for ardour-cvs in its unstable
tree for almost two months now (since Oct 24). Jon is just updating the script to require
current jack-cvs, rather than jack-0.34.0, and to allow for an easier compile with the ksi
issue.
There is a case to be made for having the packaging
systems working
correctly before the release is made to ensure a smooth transition.
Especially true in a sources-based distro like Gentoo, where everything is compiled from
scratch.
If you are doing this then consider promoting it only
to some testers
not the entire community and especially not to newbies who could become
put off your methods when given a chilly (though hopefully not
offensive) reception by other users on these lists or conversely when
told the only way to get help is to upgrade to cvs. This wouldn't
exactly make Gentoo look like it is built with the community spirit and
I wouldn't like people to get that impression of the project.
And hopefully not too chilly! :-) And anyway, given the fact that Ardour has been
available to Gentoo since late October, if it hasn't been an issue before, why would
it become one now?
As to testing, since ardour-cvs is masked in Gentoo (meaning it's not part of the
stable package tree) the user has to specifically request unstable packages to compile it.
Also, the ebuild always grabs the current cvs, so people can easily update every day (a
matter of "su; emerge ardour-cvs", after turning the unstable "switch"
on, is enough to download and recompile.) And it won't be marked stable from the
gentoo point of view until _after_ its initial release by pbd et al.
And yes Gentoo tries very hard to stay current, but isn't that the whole point of
grabbing the up-to-minute CVS of Ardour?
Bye for now.
-j
--------
Jonathan Kraut
jkraut1(a)nyc.rr.com (current email)
jak76(a)columbia.edu (life long email)
6:33 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 12:05 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Just wondering if you know the project leader, head developer... of
Ardour has specifically requested that only daily updated cvs builds
be made until an official release. Even this was debated hotly before
it was first attempted.
Yes.
If these are not, I hope you're ready to field
questions relating to
this as people are generally told to upgrade to latest cvs on ardour
users site and here too.
This is Ardour from cvs. Nothing more. Gentoo already contained an
ebuild to pull Ardour out of cvs. All i've done is make it work by
updating the gentoo jack build and adding support not to compile ksi to
the ardour build.
There are a few people attempting to make packages
available but they
seem to have started in earnest only in the last two weeks. Is this a
phenomenon we are witnessing pre winter/summer vacation?
Not aware of this. Doesn't sound related to what i've done.
You should note that Suse stopped making packages when
they were
informed of this request, Planet CCrma does not make complete packages
available, and the other major players have respected Paul up to now.
There is a case to be made for having the packaging systems working
correctly before the release is made to ensure a smooth transition.
Gentoo doesn't have a package system, it has portage. Portage is just
as happy building from cvs as from a tgz.
If you are doing this then consider promoting it only
to some testers
not the entire community and especially not to newbies who could
become put off your methods when given a chilly (though hopefully not
offensive) reception by other users on these lists or conversely when
told the only way to get help is to upgrade to cvs. This wouldn't
exactly make Gentoo look like it is built with the community spirit
and I wouldn't like people to get that impression of the project.
The impression that people would get from the current ardour ebuild in
gentoo is that it doesn't build from cvs.
Trying to be upto the minute and cutting edge is a
great concept for a
distro but upsetting major players in a community in the process is
not helpful to your aims or others.
Given that gentoo isn't package based it doesn't seem likely that this
will upset anyone. If people are upset i'm sure they'll speak up.
Paul?
j.
--
I don't want knowledge, I want certainty.
- David Bowie
6:59 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
* Jon Ellis <ashura666(a)mac.com> [Dec 17 02 16:29]:
This is Ardour from cvs. Nothing more. Gentoo already
contained an
ebuild to pull Ardour out of cvs. All i've done is make it work by
updating the gentoo jack build and adding support not to compile ksi to
the ardour build.
Is it correct for this e-build to set the asoundrc? Does it manually
ask you to configure the paths in ardour.rc? I think this is fine if
it is just a short cut to building CVS and ensuring that you have the
right dependency. In fact, it will probably help us avoid fielding
questions regarding auto-tools if done right. But, I'd hate to see it
clobber my config files.
--ant
7:14 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 07:54 AM, Anthony wrote:
* Jon Ellis <ashura666(a)mac.com> [Dec 17 02
16:29]:
It doesn't touch config files. It would be hard to get right
automatically. Adding a message that tells people to look at the config
files is a good idea. I'll look into it.
Thanks
j.
--
I don't want knowledge, I want certainty.
- David Bowie
This is Ardour from cvs. Nothing more. Gentoo
already contained an
ebuild to pull Ardour out of cvs. All i've done is make it work by
updating the gentoo jack build and adding support not to compile ksi
to
the ardour build.
Is it correct for this e-build to set the asoundrc? Does it manually
ask you to configure the paths in ardour.rc? I think this is fine if
it is just a short cut to building CVS and ensuring that you have the
right dependency. In fact, it will probably help us avoid fielding
questions regarding auto-tools if done right. But, I'd hate to see it
clobber my config files.
7:32 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
* Jon Ellis <ashura666(a)mac.com> [Dec 17 02 17:10]:
On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 07:54 AM, Anthony
wrote:
Its standard procedure for gentoo to say "config file needs updating"
and you may want this to direct to the README/FAQ. I think the default
asoundrc is a bad idea. For instance, a lot of ppl have onboard audio
and a pro card which is probably not hw:0.
--ant
* Jon Ellis <ashura666(a)mac.com> [Dec 17 02
16:29]:
It doesn't touch config files. It would be hard to get right
automatically. Adding a message that tells people to look at the config
files is a good idea. I'll look into it.
Thanks
j.
-- This is Ardour from cvs. Nothing more. Gentoo
already contained an
ebuild to pull Ardour out of cvs. All i've done is make it work by
updating the gentoo jack build and adding support not to compile ksi
to
the ardour build.
Is it correct for this e-build to set the asoundrc? Does it manually
ask you to configure the paths in ardour.rc? I think this is fine if
it is just a short cut to building CVS and ensuring that you have the
right dependency. In fact, it will probably help us avoid fielding
questions regarding auto-tools if done right. But, I'd hate to see it
clobber my config files.
19 Dec
19 Dec
9:14 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
Jonathan Kraut and I are now collecting Linux Audio ebuilds for Gentoo.
Rather than continually spam you with our progress, i'm posting our
progress here:
http://homepage.mac.com/ashura666/gentoo/
If you have anything to contribute or would like to request that we
make an ebuild for a particular app. please get in touch. No promises
:-)
Cheers
j.
9:31 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
On Thursday 19 December 2002 14:10, Jon Ellis wrote:
Jonathan Kraut and I are now collecting Linux Audio
ebuilds for Gentoo.
Rather than continually spam you with our progress, i'm posting our
progress here:
http://homepage.mac.com/ashura666/gentoo/
If you have anything to contribute or would like to request that we
make an ebuild for a particular app. please get in touch. No promises
:-)
Cheers
j.
Great! I'll pay a visit later today and see what I can do...
:-)))
12:45 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:10:33 +0900
Jon Ellis <ashura666(a)mac.com> wrote:
Jonathan Kraut and I are now collecting Linux Audio
ebuilds for
Gentoo. Rather than continually spam you with our progress, i'm
posting our progress here:
http://homepage.mac.com/ashura666/gentoo/
If you have anything to contribute or would like to request that we
make an ebuild for a particular app. please get in touch. No promises
:-)
Cheers
j.
This is marvellous. And it's reminded me that my 'blop'
(http://blop.sourceforge.net) plugins could do with an ebuild too... :)
Mike
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22 Dec
4:44 a.m.
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On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 01:47 AM, Mike Rawes wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:10:33 +0900
Jon Ellis <ashura666(a)mac.com> wrote:
...and now it has one.
j.
--
I don't want knowledge, I want certainty.
- David Bowie
Jonathan Kraut and I are now collecting Linux
Audio ebuilds for
Gentoo. Rather than continually spam you with our progress, i'm
posting our progress here:
http://homepage.mac.com/ashura666/gentoo/
If you have anything to contribute or would like to request that we
make an ebuild for a particular app. please get in touch. No promises
:-)
Cheers
j.
This is marvellous. And it's reminded me that my 'blop'
(http://blop.sourceforge.net) plugins could do with an ebuild too... :)
12:52 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:39:49 +0900
Jon Ellis <ashura666(a)mac.com> wrote:
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 01:47 AM, Mike Rawes
wrote:
Wow. Thanks!
Mike
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On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:10:33 +0900
Jon Ellis <ashura666(a)mac.com> wrote:
...and now it has one. Jonathan Kraut and I are now collecting Linux
Audio ebuilds for
Gentoo. Rather than continually spam you with our progress, i'm
posting our progress here:
http://homepage.mac.com/ashura666/gentoo/
If you have anything to contribute or would like to request that we
make an ebuild for a particular app. please get in touch. No
promises> :-)
Cheers
j.
This is marvellous. And it's reminded me that my 'blop'
(http://blop.sourceforge.net) plugins could do with an ebuild too...
:) 
20 Dec
20 Dec
2 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Gentoo users?
Hi,
I've just built a gentoo-ppc box and have alsa running
with the ice1712 driver. I like the idea of learning
to do things the gentoo way if it means that I am
working with the latest CVS which seems to be the
case. Correct?
I see KEYWORDS="x86" is specified in the ebuilds for
jack-cvs and ardour-cvs. Has anyone successfully built
these apps on gentoo-ppc? If yes, should
KEYWORDS="ppc"?
I'm guessing 'emerge jack' could be simple enough and
the key to 'emerge ardour' is to compare the Ardour
requirements with the result of 'emerge -p ardour'.
If anyone's got suggestions or experience they'd care
to share, I'd appreciate hearing about them.
Ron
--- Jon Ellis <ashura666(a)mac.com> wrote:
Jonathan Kraut and I are now collecting Linux Audio
ebuilds for Gentoo.
Rather than continually spam you with our progress,
i'm posting our
progress here:
http://homepage.mac.com/ashura666/gentoo/
If you have anything to contribute or would like to
request that we
make an ebuild for a particular app. please get in
touch. No promises
:-)
Cheers
j.
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