Re: [LAU] Embertone Friedlander Violin on Linux - was Re: Recommended near-realistic strings section generator?
13 Jul
2014
13 Jul
'14
9:37 p.m.
Progress!
I compiled JACK2 (64-bit, and also a 32-bit version because Dssi-VST
Git needs it) and Dssi-VST Git. I put "$HOME/vst" in my "$VST_PATH"
and made a symlink to "Kontakt 5.dll" as "$HOME/vst/kontakt5.dll"
because Jack-dssi-host doesn't seem to like spaces in plugin filenames
(quoting or escaping didn't work). I started JACK, then loaded the VST
through Jack-dssi-host.
$ jack-dssi-host dssi-vst.so:kontakt5.dll&
Kontakt's VST loaded fine. A lot of JACK ports appeared (64 ports!
O_O), automatically connected to "system:playback_*". I connected the
Kontakt's JACK MIDI port to my keyboard's, and chose a freeware
instrument (just for testing) from Kontakt's "Files" tab. It loaded as
it should, and playing my keyboard produced the sounds just fine! Yes!
I could even record the output by using Ecasound!
... However, I didn't have the same luck with the Friedlander
Violin... Choosing an instrument from the "Files" tab doesn't work
because it's encrypted and needs to be activated. It's a "Powered by
Kontakt Player" instrument, and the option to activate it doesn't
appear unless it's loaded through the "Add Library" button first. The
problem is that when I try to "Add Library", Kontakt prompts me to
choose the location where the library is installed, and when I select
the directory, it gives me a "No library found" error. I'm sure I'm
pointing to the right place (the directory containing the
"Instruments" and "Samples" sub directories, the ".nkr" and
the
".nicnt" files). Just to make sure, I followed exactly the same steps
on Windows and the library loaded with no problems (but I didn't
activate it because I want to do it on Linux!), though it was the
standalone version instead of the VST. I hope this doesn't mean that
adding libraries only work on the standalone interface, because on
Wine I still can't get past the initial audio setup screen... Any
ideas? I feel so close...
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16 Jul
16 Jul
3:56 a.m.
New subject: Embertone Friedlander Violin on Linux - was Re: Recommended near-realistic strings section generator?
Generally Kontakt lets you activate on 3 computers as long as you
don't use more than one of them at once - so unless your sample
library has specifically says otherwise you shouldn't need to worry
about activating under windows. You will have to activate
independently for windows and linux though so this probably won't
solve your problem.
Kontact loads the library from the outermost directory of the
instrument. eg. /media/danni/Caverns/ni/Balinese Gamelan Library/ (to
list a sample library that I bought seperately).
I have only tried to add sample libraries through the standalone (and
I don't have any more to add).
Do you have wineasio installed and setup and jack running when you try
to run the standalone
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Progress!
I compiled JACK2 (64-bit, and also a 32-bit version because Dssi-VST
Git needs it) and Dssi-VST Git. I put "$HOME/vst" in my "$VST_PATH"
and made a symlink to "Kontakt 5.dll" as "$HOME/vst/kontakt5.dll"
because Jack-dssi-host doesn't seem to like spaces in plugin filenames
(quoting or escaping didn't work). I started JACK, then loaded the VST
through Jack-dssi-host.
$ jack-dssi-host dssi-vst.so:kontakt5.dll&
Kontakt's VST loaded fine. A lot of JACK ports appeared (64 ports!
O_O), automatically connected to "system:playback_*". I connected the
Kontakt's JACK MIDI port to my keyboard's, and chose a freeware
instrument (just for testing) from Kontakt's "Files" tab. It loaded as
it should, and playing my keyboard produced the sounds just fine! Yes!
I could even record the output by using Ecasound!
... However, I didn't have the same luck with the Friedlander
Violin... Choosing an instrument from the "Files" tab doesn't work
because it's encrypted and needs to be activated. It's a "Powered by
Kontakt Player" instrument, and the option to activate it doesn't
appear unless it's loaded through the "Add Library" button first. The
problem is that when I try to "Add Library", Kontakt prompts me to
choose the location where the library is installed, and when I select
the directory, it gives me a "No library found" error. I'm sure I'm
pointing to the right place (the directory containing the
"Instruments" and "Samples" sub directories, the ".nkr" and
the
".nicnt" files). Just to make sure, I followed exactly the same steps
on Windows and the library loaded with no problems (but I didn't
activate it because I want to do it on Linux!), though it was the
standalone version instead of the VST. I hope this doesn't mean that
adding libraries only work on the standalone interface, because on
Wine I still can't get past the initial audio setup screen... Any
ideas? I feel so close...
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2014-07-15 22:56 GMT-03:00, Danni Coy <danni.coy(a)gmail.com>om>:
Do you have wineasio installed and setup and jack
running when you try
to run the standalone
No, I didn't have Wineasio. I even installed it, the DLL registered,
JACK is running, but Wineasio didn't appear as a option in Kontakt. I
think it's because the DLL was compiled as 32-bit and Kontakt is 64.
Following the instructions on the README, I tried to compile a 64-bit
version of Wineasio, but I'm getting compile errors...
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12:39 p.m.
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I think you can as a backup run pulse audio. I had issues using alsa directly
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2014-07-15 22:56 GMT-03:00, Danni Coy
<danni.coy(a)gmail.com>om>:
Do you have wineasio installed and setup and jack
running when you try
to run the standalone
No, I didn't have Wineasio. I even installed it, the DLL registered,
JACK is running, but Wineasio didn't appear as a option in Kontakt. I
think it's because the DLL was compiled as 32-bit and Kontakt is 64.
Following the instructions on the README, I tried to compile a 64-bit
version of Wineasio, but I'm getting compile errors...
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1:35 p.m.
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2014-07-16 7:39 GMT-03:00, Danni Coy <danni.coy(a)gmail.com>om>:
I think you can as a backup run pulse audio. I had
issues using alsa
directly
I heard so many bad things about Pulse (also concerning screen reader
software which I depend on) that I'd rather not use it.
I'll see if I can solve the Wineasio 64-bit compiling problem. I hope
I don't need to compile my own Wine, too...
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3:31 p.m.
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2014, Aiyumi Moriya wrote:
2014-07-16 7:39 GMT-03:00, Danni Coy
<danni.coy(a)gmail.com>om>:
Most of what I have heard about Pulse being bad is old (and personal). It
is more usable with jack than many other ways of doing things. On a modern
machine (multi core, reasonable Ram size) using jackdbus as the
source/sink it works quite well. Even at 2.7ms ( -p 64) latency for jack.
I use it for running skype into idjc for example. Some of the default
settings are youtube skewed (sample rate 44.1k for example) but they can
be changed. Anyway, Pulse is in active development, many problems I had
even two years ago are gone.
However, In your case of using it as a method of connecting a sound
generator to Jack. I think it would be a case of try before you buy. If
you do not have pulse installed now, I do not think I would install it
just to try. You have latency critical use and have had problems with it
and your screen reader. I would try it on a live media first that has most
of what you want installed.
--
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www.ovenwerks.net
I think you can as a backup run pulse audio. I
had issues using alsa
directly
I heard so many bad things about Pulse (also concerning screen reader
software which I depend on) that I'd rather not use it.
17 Jul
17 Jul
3:04 a.m.
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I was able to compile Wineasio just now. The DLL successfully
registered, but I didn't have time to test it in Kontakt yet.
@Len: thank you for the clarification about Pulse Audio (I don't have
it installed). If it doesn't work with my newly compiled 64-bit
Wineasio, I'll see about testing on a live distro. I think I have a
DVD with KXStudio from last year around here somewhere :P (no screen
readers in there though).
2014-07-16 10:30 GMT-03:00, Len Ovens <len(a)ovenwerks.net>et>:
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014, Aiyumi Moriya wrote:
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2014-07-16 7:39 GMT-03:00, Danni Coy
<danni.coy(a)gmail.com>om>:
Most of what I have heard about Pulse being bad is old (and personal). It
is more usable with jack than many other ways of doing things. On a modern
machine (multi core, reasonable Ram size) using jackdbus as the
source/sink it works quite well. Even at 2.7ms ( -p 64) latency for jack.
I use it for running skype into idjc for example. Some of the default
settings are youtube skewed (sample rate 44.1k for example) but they can
be changed. Anyway, Pulse is in active development, many problems I had
even two years ago are gone.
However, In your case of using it as a method of connecting a sound
generator to Jack. I think it would be a case of try before you buy. If
you do not have pulse installed now, I do not think I would install it
just to try. You have latency critical use and have had problems with it
and your screen reader. I would try it on a live media first that has most
of what you want installed.
--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net
I think you can as a backup run pulse audio. I
had issues using alsa
directly
I heard so many bad things about Pulse (also concerning screen reader
software which I depend on) that I'd rather not use it.
19 Jul
19 Jul
5:43 a.m.
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2014-07-16 22:04 GMT-03:00, Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com>om>:
[...] If it doesn't work with my newly compiled
64-bit
Wineasio, I'll see about testing on a live distro. I think I have a
DVD with KXStudio from last year around here somewhere :P (no screen
readers in there though).
Great news! I finally found the problem that wasn't letting me run the
standalone Kontakt. I was thinking of testing with KXStudio, and
wondering "If it works, how am I supposed to replicate the
configuration on my main installation? What is in there that I don't
have in my system?". Then I found it. Turns out that it was the
opposite. What does my system have that most others don't? Guess what?
Yes, the screen readers...
I had to temporarily kill my screen readers and resort to sighted help
(Wine doesn't support screen readers anyway). With ALSA and my default
soundcard free, Kontakt started without complaints. It finally let me
get past the audio setup screen and add the library! Launching Service
Center and activating it also went with no problem. Now that the
library is where it should be, I can run Kontakt's VST through
Dssi-VST normally. Speaking of which, just a small correction:
2014-07-13 16:37 GMT-03:00, Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com>om>:
$ jack-dssi-host dssi-vst.so:kontakt5.dll&
The VST doesn't need to be run through Jack-dssi-host anymore, because
the more recent Dssi-VST (the one from git) already creates the JACK
ports (that's why now it requires JACK to compile). Just
$ vsthost kontakt5.dll&
does what I want it to do. The only problem now is that loading
instruments still requires sighted assistance, but that's another
story. What matters is that everything is working. The library sounds
as good as I thought it would, now I "only" need to learn how to use
it :P . No regrets. One more good commercial sample library option for
Linux! The only thing getting in the way is that proprietary download
app, although if the developers do it like some other companies and
provide the download links to users who can't use the app, that would
be solved.
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11:03 a.m.
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congrats on getting it working
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2014-07-16 22:04 GMT-03:00, Aiyumi Moriya
<aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com>om>:
[...] If it doesn't work with my newly
compiled 64-bit
Wineasio, I'll see about testing on a live distro. I think I have a
DVD with KXStudio from last year around here somewhere :P (no screen
readers in there though).
Great news! I finally found the problem that wasn't letting me run the
standalone Kontakt. I was thinking of testing with KXStudio, and
wondering "If it works, how am I supposed to replicate the
configuration on my main installation? What is in there that I don't
have in my system?". Then I found it. Turns out that it was the
opposite. What does my system have that most others don't? Guess what?
Yes, the screen readers...
I had to temporarily kill my screen readers and resort to sighted help
(Wine doesn't support screen readers anyway). With ALSA and my default
soundcard free, Kontakt started without complaints. It finally let me
get past the audio setup screen and add the library! Launching Service
Center and activating it also went with no problem. Now that the
library is where it should be, I can run Kontakt's VST through
Dssi-VST normally. Speaking of which, just a small correction:
2014-07-13 16:37 GMT-03:00, Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com>om>:
$ jack-dssi-host
dssi-vst.so:kontakt5.dll&
The VST doesn't need to be run through Jack-dssi-host anymore, because
the more recent Dssi-VST (the one from git) already creates the JACK
ports (that's why now it requires JACK to compile). Just
$ vsthost kontakt5.dll&
does what I want it to do. The only problem now is that loading
instruments still requires sighted assistance, but that's another
story. What matters is that everything is working. The library sounds
as good as I thought it would, now I "only" need to learn how to use
it :P . No regrets. One more good commercial sample library option for
Linux! The only thing getting in the way is that proprietary download
app, although if the developers do it like some other companies and
provide the download links to users who can't use the app, that would
be solved.
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1 Nov
1 Nov
2:37 p.m.
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Yesterday I got an e-mail from Embertone's newsletter. They announced
the release of a free library for Kontakt Player. Half instrument,
half game, very unusuall description... But, among other things, it
includes a free demo of their violin library. They say it's a limited
offer. I don't know how long it will be available, but it might be a
good opportunity for anyone wanting to try out the violin.
http://www.embertone.com/instruments/arcane.php
And this time, the download is a normal direct link and doesn't use
that proprietary download app.
I'm downloading it right now, to check out the other mysterious sounds it has.
Here's the online version of the newsletter:
http://us5.campaign-archive1.com/?u=48596a6a37a057934093cef98&id=efa70f…
2014-07-19 6:03 GMT-03:00, Danni Coy <danni.coy(a)gmail.com>om>:
congrats on getting it working
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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2014-07-16 22:04 GMT-03:00, Aiyumi Moriya
<aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com>om>:
[...] If it doesn't work with my newly
compiled 64-bit
Wineasio, I'll see about testing on a live distro. I think I have a
DVD with KXStudio from last year around here somewhere :P (no screen
readers in there though).
Great news! I finally found the problem that wasn't letting me run the
standalone Kontakt. I was thinking of testing with KXStudio, and
wondering "If it works, how am I supposed to replicate the
configuration on my main installation? What is in there that I don't
have in my system?". Then I found it. Turns out that it was the
opposite. What does my system have that most others don't? Guess what?
Yes, the screen readers...
I had to temporarily kill my screen readers and resort to sighted help
(Wine doesn't support screen readers anyway). With ALSA and my default
soundcard free, Kontakt started without complaints. It finally let me
get past the audio setup screen and add the library! Launching Service
Center and activating it also went with no problem. Now that the
library is where it should be, I can run Kontakt's VST through
Dssi-VST normally. Speaking of which, just a small correction:
2014-07-13 16:37 GMT-03:00, Aiyumi Moriya <aiyumi.br(a)gmail.com>om>:
$ jack-dssi-host
dssi-vst.so:kontakt5.dll&
The VST doesn't need to be run through Jack-dssi-host anymore, because
the more recent Dssi-VST (the one from git) already creates the JACK
ports (that's why now it requires JACK to compile). Just
$ vsthost kontakt5.dll&
does what I want it to do. The only problem now is that loading
instruments still requires sighted assistance, but that's another
story. What matters is that everything is working. The library sounds
as good as I thought it would, now I "only" need to learn how to use
it :P . No regrets. One more good commercial sample library option for
Linux! The only thing getting in the way is that proprietary download
app, although if the developers do it like some other companies and
provide the download links to users who can't use the app, that would
be solved.
--
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