11 Mar
2006
11 Mar
'06
noon
Hi Carlo!
I'm wondering... I do have an urge to be able to
support myself from
music. Be it from earning money from it or be it from receiving free
food, shelter, clothing and goodies in a soon-to-come free society.
Amen, Brother!
So I'm wondering, the golden rule sayeth 'do
onto others as you would
have it done onto you', so it appears that music that is made to be
traded for shelter and clothing ought to contain messages that let the
receiver be able to produce more shelter and clothing.
IE: Inspirational messages that actually improve people's internals,
rather than just a spacy trip.
Of course all knowledge that comes to us from inspirationland is
inherently good and valuable, but perhaps it is a good idea to spread
knowledge that is good RIGHT NOW. Hammy hammy. Listen and eat more.
So I have come to believe that there is an inherent difference between
'day job' music and 'full fledged musician' music, where the former art
has mainly the function of recreation for the artist, while the latter
has that function for the audience. (not black and white, just
_primarily_, or _as a tendency. Both can have both functions, I am
talking about the intention.
How can we use this to lead happier, more fulfilled lives?
Carlo
I like bringing in that perspective, as those are very important questions.
Being an occultist - I've got to go metaphysical on you to give my answers.
This is my alternative scenario to having to make a lot of money from
music:
Use music to change the world we live in - to change people's consciousness
- to *create* a world where money is no longer necessary.
That's a different approach to bringing about the same end - and assuredly,
the better one.
I believe that music coming from an inspired place can alter people's
consciousness - can move them, awaken them, trigger them, inspire them and
empower them.
And this doesn't have to be through explicit words in the form of lyrics -
it can be just in the intent - *where* the music is coming from - how it
makes people *feel*.
That is the incredible power of music - that it acts on a subconscious and
a superconscious level - it gets around the intellect and all the
judgements it holds that keep us stuck.
Music is a magical potency.
Music can free the mind.
And now that you all realize how way out there I am, I will take this even
a step further - because I think this is something of profound importance
to humanity and to the future:
I have no doubt whatsoever that the present order of things must collapse -
it is going to go down in flames, and sooner rather than later, I think.
Which leaves the question - what then?
What kind of life will be worth living in the aftermath - in the ruins of a
scorched and sterilized planet?
As an occultist, I am well aware of the incredible power of Sound - both to
destroy and to create - and to heal.
I believe through the intelligent use of sound and music, that even such a
ravaged earth can be healed - the radioactive fallout rendered harmless,
new life brought forth - and the hearts and minds of those left to rebuild
can be healed and expanded as well.
A musician - when truly inspired - is also a magician.
I've no doubt that is why the bards of old were so honored - and perhaps
will be again someday.
(Apologies for the lengthy reply - but some things just can't be answered
in 6 lines.)
To the future bards of the world!
- Maluvia
11 Mar
11 Mar
12:29 p.m.
Let us create a world where longs posts are cherished and enjoyed :)
Yeah, Silver Starred Sweetie :) This is great, great, great... EXACTLY
what I'm after. Let us create a world where money is no longer
necessary. Why? Cuz we all just shoot the shit and things turn out all
right.
By the way, is being an occultist like being gay? Like with outing
oneself? Okay, I'm far out too :) I believe in the power of thought, the
power of the word... That computers are alive and conscious (and so are
spoons, knives)... My computer's name is 'Cinderella' and she lives in
the 'Wonderland' domain. I think we have a great relationship... I do
spend a lot of time tapping her keys :)
(Let me also introduce you to my SIP phone... He's called 'CheshireCat')
Will you all say 'Hi' to my SIP phone please? He's really friendly, and
very useful.
Well, scientists, prove me wrong :) lol
But boy... That thing about the music reaching out and altering people,
losening the tight knit, getting some fresh air in... Being
INSPIRATIONAL. Maaaaaan. That's Da Shit. Or more like Da Nourishment :) LOL
Guess that's what I'm after all along :) That, or dying trying.
Carlo
17 Mar
17 Mar
11:43 a.m.
Maluvia wrote:
As an occultist, I am well aware of the incredible
power of Sound - both to
destroy and to create - and to heal.
I believe through the intelligent use of sound and music, that even such a
ravaged earth can be healed - the radioactive fallout rendered harmless,
new life brought forth - and the hearts and minds of those left to rebuild
can be healed and expanded as well.
A musician - when truly inspired - is also a magician.
I've no doubt that is why the bards of old were so honored - and perhaps
will be again someday.
To the future bards of the world!
Aye! to that.
Bardic rules of hospitality insist upon receiving food, drink and
shelter in return for performance. Gift economies strengthen
communities, commercial transactions are satisfied purely by money and
so full price is charged.
blerwm blerwm,
tim hall
19 Mar
19 Mar
1:46 a.m.
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 15:42 +0000, tim hall wrote:
Bardic rules of hospitality insist upon receiving
food, drink and
shelter in return for performance. Gift economies strengthen
communities, commercial transactions are satisfied purely by money and
so full price is charged.
"In return for"... doesn't sound like a
gift economy to me.
AML,
Sunnan
21 Mar
21 Mar
6:27 a.m.
Sunnan wrote:
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 15:42 +0000, tim hall wrote:
Guilty as charged, it's a trading exchange.
cheers,
tim hall
Bardic rules of hospitality insist upon receiving
food, drink and
shelter in return for performance. Gift economies strengthen
communities, commercial transactions are satisfied purely by money and
so full price is charged.
"In return for"... doesn't sound like a gift economy to me. 
17 Mar
17 Mar
4:25 p.m.
On Sat, 11 Mar, 2006 at 08:00AM -0800, Maluvia spake thus:
<snip>
I like bringing in that perspective, as those are very
important questions.
Being an occultist - I've got to go metaphysical on you to give my answers.
This is my alternative scenario to having to make a lot of money from
music:
Use music to change the world we live in - to change people's consciousness
- to *create* a world where money is no longer necessary.
That's a different approach to bringing about the same end - and assuredly,
the better one.
I believe that music coming from an inspired place can alter people's
consciousness - can move them, awaken them, trigger them, inspire them and
empower them.
And this doesn't have to be through explicit words in the form of lyrics -
it can be just in the intent - *where* the music is coming from - how it
makes people *feel*.
That is the incredible power of music - that it acts on a subconscious and
a superconscious level - it gets around the intellect and all the
judgements it holds that keep us stuck.
Music is a magical potency.
Music can free the mind.
And now that you all realize how way out there I am, I will take this even
a step further - because I think this is something of profound importance
to humanity and to the future:
I have no doubt whatsoever that the present order of things must collapse -
it is going to go down in flames, and sooner rather than later, I think.
Which leaves the question - what then?
What kind of life will be worth living in the aftermath - in the ruins of a
scorched and sterilized planet?
As an occultist, I am well aware of the incredible power of Sound - both to
destroy and to create - and to heal.
I believe through the intelligent use of sound and music, that even such a
ravaged earth can be healed - the radioactive fallout rendered harmless,
new life brought forth - and the hearts and minds of those left to rebuild
can be healed and expanded as well.
I'm all for people having different opinions and all, but I have to
ask: What the f*ck?
If it wasn't for the "occultist" bit, I'd just assume you meant that
sound and music could do all of that *indirectly*. Which I would
agree with, but append a warning about insanely complex parameters,
chaos, variables we can't quantify and that we're better off trying
direct action to combat things like radioactivity.
On the other hand, since psychologists keep telling me that even the
most insane of us have a mental model of the world that is self
consistant, I really want to know what mechanism *you* see that allows
music to neutralise radiation.
I'm guessing our worlds differ on this point:
I think music is just patterns of compressions in the air around us
that our minds see patterns in. We enjoy them because our minds are
predisposed to pattern analysis, and our advanced language skills give
us a preattentive ability to discern structure, pattern, logic - a
grammar, if you like.
Please don't take all this as a snide flame - I really am curious
about what's in your head.
James
P.S. Sorry for screwing
A musician - when truly inspired - is also a
magician.
I've no doubt that is why the bards of old were so honored - and perhaps
will be again someday.
(Apologies for the lengthy reply - but some things just can't be answered
in 6 lines.)
To the future bards of the world!
- Maluvia
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
4:36 p.m.
On Fri, 17 Mar, 2006 at 08:26PM +0000, James Shuttleworth spake thus:
--
"I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated
Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
On Sat, 11 Mar, 2006 at 08:00AM -0800, Maluvia spake
thus:
<snip>
P.S. Sorry for screwing
I meant to say "sorry for screwing with the thread", because I went a
bit OT.
I don't intend to start appologising for screwing!
A musician - when truly inspired - is also a
magician.
I've no doubt that is why the bards of old were so honored - and perhaps
will be again someday.
(Apologies for the lengthy reply - but some things just can't be answered
in 6 lines.)
To the future bards of the world!
- Maluvia
18 Mar
18 Mar
2:32 p.m.
james(a)dis-dot-dat.net wrote:
On Sat, 11 Mar, 2006 at 08:00AM -0800, Maluvia spake
thus:
If you can get your hands on a copy (out of print, most frequently found
in a University's restricted music reference section), check out-- On
Music, in Three Books, by Aristides Quintilianus. I've got the Thomas J
Mathiesen translation published by Yale University Press, 1983, ISBN
0-300-02893-8.
Aristides was a Greek, living in the 1-400 AD range (no one is exactly
sure when he lived), who collected and compiled the Ancient Greek views
on music.
I consider the Ancient Greeks to be the best observers (of themselves
and their environment) of any people in history; even better than what
we manage to do today in Western science and philosophy.
The Ancient Greeks considered music to be an integral part and component
of the human soul. That music can directly effect human emotions; and
consequently, human actions. To them, music was a science as well as an
art. And as a science, there are basic rules that can be followed to
produce a desired result.
The three parts of music are melody, rhythm, and diction. The different
combinations of these three components will produce different effects in
the human being. Some combinations were taught. Some combinations were
considered detrimental to society and were shunned. And some
combinations were reserved and only used for inciting battle lust.
The Fox tv host Bill O'Reilly (spelling?) was always puzzled why
gangsta' rap was so inciteful to violence among its listeners. The
Ancient Greeks could have told him *pricely* why it happens.
But as to music actually cleaning up the environment by itself, I don't
think the Ancient Greeks went that quite far. The Music of the Cosmos
is in Book III. I haven't gotten that far in my reading yet, so I could
be wrong in my supposition.
Regards,
Stephen.
I believe that music coming from an inspired place
can alter people's
consciousness - can move them, awaken them, trigger them, inspire them and
empower them.
And this doesn't have to be through explicit words in the form of lyrics -
it can be just in the intent - *where* the music is coming from - how it
makes people *feel*.
That is the incredible power of music - that it acts on a subconscious and
a superconscious level - it gets around the intellect and all the
judgements it holds that keep us stuck.
Music is a magical potency.
Music can free the mind.
I think music is just patterns of compressions in the air around us
that our minds see patterns in. We enjoy them because our minds are
predisposed to pattern analysis, and our advanced language skills give
us a preattentive ability to discern structure, pattern, logic - a
grammar, if you like.
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tim hall