12 Mar
2003
12 Mar
'03
10:12 p.m.
I'm running GWC and have run into a problem with the app just aborting.
Quits in the midst of the Pop/clicks removal routine. It's consistant.
The hardware I'm running is an Athlon 850 with 256k RAM. The sound
card is an SB16 ISA. I know it's not much, but it was free, back a few
years ago. Now I wonder if the routines that GWC is performing are just
too much for that little engine to execute, so the program aborts. Any
advice would be appreciated.
RV
13 Mar
13 Mar
6:03 a.m.
The hardware I'm running is an Athlon 850 with
256k RAM.
256MB, I hope :)
The sound
card is an SB16 ISA.
If you're attempting to do vinyl to digital transfer, using this card could be
a false economy. Getting something like an M Audio Audiophile could be
cheaper than buying the same music again on CD. Even a cheap emu10k1 PCI card
like the SBLive would probably be well worth the upgrade.
You'll also need a good turntable and pre-amp to get the most out of the
vinyl. When weighing up the cost, bear in mind that the remastering people
producing official CD re-releases will probably be working from studio master
tapes, except for very rare or old material.
Personally, having looked at the time it would take to record all my shellac
and vinyl, and allowing for the possibility that some subtle properties of
analogue recording would be lost in the transfer, I decided to keep a couple
of turntables around.
I'd probably make an exception for some rare 78's, like a couple of 1940's BBC
transcription discs that I found in a junk shop. With hand-written labels,
they seem to be field recordings from the days before tape was available.
Their uniqueness and fragility makes a digital recording something I've been
meaning to get around to.
Cheers
Daniel
6:32 a.m.
You'll also need a good turntable and pre-amp to
get the most out of
the vinyl. When weighing up the cost, bear in mind that the
remastering people producing official CD re-releases will probably be
working from studio master tapes, except for very rare or old
material.
yes, but they normally let a monkey into the studio at some point and it
changes all the eq settings and makes it more of a re-(un)mastering.
I've heard all the funkadelic records got remastered and they took the
'p' out of the p-funk.
Personally, having looked at the time it would take to
record all my
shellac and vinyl, and allowing for the possibility that some subtle
properties of analogue recording would be lost in the transfer, I
decided to keep a couple of turntables around.
yeah - you'll be glad of all those lovely records when you can fit your
entire music collection onto a pea and you drop it down a drain or
something.
cheers
matthew
7:03 a.m.
yes, but they normally let a monkey into the studio at
some point and it
changes all the eq settings and makes it more of a re-(un)mastering.
I'm afraid you're right - a lot of CD remasters don't do justice to the
original. This would also apply to DIY transfers too, though - maybe more so.
In the case of the Mothers of Invention albums, Zappa himself supervised the
remastering - but the old vinyl still sounds better to me. The CD versions
have way too much treble for my ear.
I've heard all the funkadelic records got
remastered and they took the
'p' out of the p-funk.
Some of the sound that people love is an artifact of the vinyl, and not on the
studio tapes. Subjectively, some people say CD is less 'warm' than vinyl,
whatever that means. It may be to do with information above the range of
normal human hearing, which is affecting our brains in some other way.
There are also cultural values locked up in those old bits of black plastic,
which may not be satisifed by higher sample rates. Do we really want to hear
the Doors' LA Woman in 24/96 5.1 surround? You can buy it on DVD Audio now -
I guess its intended for people who don't own an old dusty copy, or even a
turntable.
Cheers
Daniel
9:14 a.m.
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:54:50 +0000
Daniel James <daniel(a)mondodesigno.com> wrote:
In the case of the Mothers of Invention albums, Zappa
himself supervised the
remastering - but the old vinyl still sounds better to me. The CD versions
have way too much treble for my ear.
This points out something I have thought about for a while now, which is
FZ's hearing and the loss of the high end. I noticed that FZ's later records,
especially from Shiek Yerbouti onwards, had more treble that I liked (since
when it was released I was a young guy with better hearing than I have now).
This continued when he re-released his stuff on CD and remastered it; I
usually find myself rolling back the treble a bit. I have always wondered
if this was because FZ had lost a bit more high-end in his hearing as
he got older and from all those years of loud stage amplification.
Wear those earplugs, people!!
> I've heard all the funkadelic records got
remastered and they took the
> 'p' out of the p-funk.
I swear that some of the pfunk cds I have were taken from vinyl...
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12:39 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 10:54:50AM +0000, Daniel James wrote:
Some of the sound that people love is an artifact of
the vinyl, and not on
the studio tapes. Subjectively, some people say CD is less 'warm' than vinyl,
whatever that means. It may be to do with information above the range of
normal human hearing, which is affecting our brains in some other way.
maybe, but it's more likely the large amount of artifacts well within
the range of human hearing :-)
e.g. stereo crosstalk; various flavors of harmonic distortion;
bass resonances caused by the turntable arm; probably other
problems that i don't even know about.
don't get me wrong, I love vinyl, I love the sound of many of my LPs.
But most if not all turntables & records have very serious
fidelity "flaws".
--
Paul Winkler
http://www.slinkp.com
Look! Up in the sky! It's JUSTICE OF FIRE!
(random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com)
6:55 p.m.
I've done excellent vinyl to digital with an Ensoniq PCI card.
Jan
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 03:55, Daniel James wrote:
The hardware
I'm running is an Athlon 850 with 256k RAM.
256MB, I hope :)
The sound
card is an SB16 ISA.
If you're attempting to do vinyl to digital transfer, using this card could be
a false economy. Getting something like an M Audio Audiophile could be
cheaper than buying the same music again on CD. Even a cheap emu10k1 PCI card
like the SBLive would probably be well worth the upgrade.
You'll also need a good turntable and pre-amp to get the most out of the
vinyl. When weighing up the cost, bear in mind that the remastering people
producing official CD re-releases will probably be working from studio master
tapes, except for very rare or old material.
Personally, having looked at the time it would take to record all my shellac
and vinyl, and allowing for the possibility that some subtle properties of
analogue recording would be lost in the transfer, I decided to keep a couple
of turntables around.
I'd probably make an exception for some rare 78's, like a couple of 1940's
BBC
transcription discs that I found in a junk shop. With hand-written labels,
they seem to be field recordings from the days before tape was available.
Their uniqueness and fragility makes a digital recording something I've been
meaning to get around to.
Cheers
Daniel 
9:53 a.m.
Have you run the program from a terminal window to see if it writes
anything to its standard error output before it dies?
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 02:05 pm, Reid Vail wrote:
I'm running GWC and have run into a problem with
the app just
aborting. Quits in the midst of the Pop/clicks removal routine. It's
consistant. The hardware I'm running is an Athlon 850 with 256k RAM.
The sound card is an SB16 ISA. I know it's not much, but it was
free, back a few years ago. Now I wonder if the routines that GWC is
performing are just too much for that little engine to execute, so
the program aborts. Any advice would be appreciated.
RV
--
"Can you remember the future? Forget it!"
11:43 p.m.
Reid Vail wrote:
I'm running GWC and have run into a problem with
the app just
aborting. Quits in the midst of the Pop/clicks removal routine. It's
consistant. The hardware I'm running is an Athlon 850 with 256k RAM.
The sound card is an SB16 ISA. I know it's not much, but it was free,
back a few years ago. Now I wonder if the routines that GWC is
performing are just too much for that little engine to execute, so the
program aborts. Any advice would be appreciated.
RV
Thanks for all the info..and thankfully it is 256mg - jeeze :>
I do have everything connected and working, no problem there.
I do think a new&improved card is the right thing to do. It will
probably help and can't hurt. I'll head to Pricewatch and see what's
available.
The way I see it, I'll use GWC for the clean up, and head to something
like Broadcast 2000 for "effects" if needed. I'm thinking that last
step might help restore some depth to the sound that gets lost by clean
up. Or maybe that's what the Amplify fuction is for. Not sure.
As for GWC aborting, maybe it was pilot error. I'll keep looking.
thx
RV
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