18 Sep
2012
18 Sep
'12
12:45 p.m.
Hey fellas!
I am loading Whysynth through Carla and then use QMidiArp to play it.
Problem is, some of the presets (like "New String Thingy", first preset)
are "clicking" - they produce occasional clicks or pops.
I would like to know if someone has experienced same thing? I am attaching
a QMidiArp file so that anyone can try to reproduce.
I wondered if it is the fault of the WhySynth preset, but no settings I
tried changed the situation. I then tried doing things with Carla - you can
see QMidiArp has two sequencers there. So I added two separate WhySynths
and made each sequencer in QMidiArp go into a separate WhySynth. Number of
clicks went down, but occasional audible clicks stayed.
Any ideas how to fix this? I really like that WhySynth preset and would
like to use it without clicks!
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18 Sep
18 Sep
1:38 p.m.
On 18/09/12 8:45 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
Hey fellas!
I am loading Whysynth through Carla and then use QMidiArp to play it.
Problem is, some of the presets (like "New String Thingy", first preset)
are "clicking" - they produce occasional clicks or pops.
I would like to know if someone has experienced same thing? I am
attaching a QMidiArp file so that anyone can try to reproduce.
I wondered if it is the fault of the WhySynth preset, but no settings I
tried changed the situation. I then tried doing things with Carla - you
can see QMidiArp has two sequencers there. So I added two separate
WhySynths and made each sequencer in QMidiArp go into a separate
WhySynth. Number of clicks went down, but occasional audible clicks stayed.
Any ideas how to fix this? I really like that WhySynth preset and would
like to use it without clicks!
This is just a guess, but you could try increasing the polyphony limit
in WhySynth. If that patch has long envelopes, you could easily be
hitting the limit while playing a sequence (the default limit here seems
to be 12 notes). I don't know about WhySynth in particular, but in many
synths this causes clicks, as new notes cause older notes to end abruptly.
Thanks
Leigh
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1:46 p.m.
Hey man!
Sorry, did not mention it in the original post. I did try to make the limit
go up from the default 12 to 99. Did not help.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Leigh Dyer <lsd(a)wootangent.net> wrote:
On 18/09/12 8:45 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
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Hey fellas!
I am loading Whysynth through Carla and then use QMidiArp to play it.
Problem is, some of the presets (like "New String Thingy", first preset)
are "clicking" - they produce occasional clicks or pops.
I would like to know if someone has experienced same thing? I am
attaching a QMidiArp file so that anyone can try to reproduce.
I wondered if it is the fault of the WhySynth preset, but no settings I
tried changed the situation. I then tried doing things with Carla - you
can see QMidiArp has two sequencers there. So I added two separate
WhySynths and made each sequencer in QMidiArp go into a separate
WhySynth. Number of clicks went down, but occasional audible clicks
stayed.
Any ideas how to fix this? I really like that WhySynth preset and would
like to use it without clicks!
This is just a guess, but you could try increasing the polyphony limit in
WhySynth. If that patch has long envelopes, you could easily be hitting the
limit while playing a sequence (the default limit here seems to be 12
notes). I don't know about WhySynth in particular, but in many synths this
causes clicks, as new notes cause older notes to end abruptly.
Thanks
Leigh
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10:51 p.m.
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Hi Louigi,
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:46:39 +0400
Louigi Verona <louigi.verona(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey man!
Sorry, did not mention it in the original post. I did try to make the
limit go up from the default 12 to 99. Did not help.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Leigh Dyer <lsd(a)wootangent.net>
wrote:
> On 18/09/12 8:45 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
>
>> Hey fellas!
>>
>> I am loading Whysynth through Carla and then use QMidiArp to play
>> it. Problem is, some of the presets (like "New String Thingy",
>> first preset) are "clicking" - they produce occasional clicks or
>> pops. I would like to know if someone has experienced same thing?
>> I am attaching a QMidiArp file so that anyone can try to reproduce.
>>
>> I wondered if it is the fault of the WhySynth preset, but no
>> settings I tried changed the situation. I then tried doing things
>> with Carla - you can see QMidiArp has two sequencers there. So I
>> added two separate WhySynths and made each sequencer in QMidiArp
>> go into a separate WhySynth. Number of clicks went down, but
>> occasional audible clicks stayed.
>>
>> Any ideas how to fix this? I really like that WhySynth preset and
>> would like to use it without clicks!
>>
>
> This is just a guess, but you could try increasing the polyphony
> limit in WhySynth. If that patch has long envelopes, you could
> easily be hitting the limit while playing a sequence (the default
> limit here seems to be 12 notes). I don't know about WhySynth in
> particular, but in many synths this causes clicks, as new notes
> cause older notes to end abruptly.
>
> Thanks
> Leigh
Okay, if I run your QMidiArp sequence into WhySynth with the default
first patch selected, I get almost no sound at all (because the notes
are short and the patch attack times are long). I have to boost the
level by more than 30dB to get it into normal listening range. So that
makes me wonder if I'm really duplicating your setup.
There are two circumstances under which I know WhySynth clicks. One is
voice stealing -- like Leigh said, when WhySynth is playing at its
polyphony limit and a new note on comes in, an existing note is
abruptly shut off then reused for the new note, which often causes a
click.
You said you tried increasing the polyphony limit to 99, but I just
discovered a bug (fixed on github): while the GUI will let you set
limits up to 128, the plugin will only accept limits up to 64. Try
changing the limit to 64, and if this helps (even if only momentarily),
then that's probably your problem. Try using release envelope shapes
of 'linear' or 'lag', and reducing the release time to the minimum
needed.
The other type of click is caused when playing in monophonic mode, and
a change in pitch causes WhySynth to switch to a different wavetable. I
consider this a bug, but one I probably won't fix until WhySynth Mark
II. If you are using WhySynth in monophonic mode when you're hearing
the clicks, make sure you're using version 20120903 or later, since I
made some changes which reduced the number of conditions under which
the click would happen. Also, switching oscillator modes may help
(although probably at the expense of the sound you want). minBLEP, FM,
PD, and async granular do not have the mono-mode click problem.
Hope that helps. Let me know, since I'll be very interested if you're
experiencing a third type of click.
-Sean
19 Sep
19 Sep
9:07 a.m.
Hey Sean!
I am using short note length because this is the type of sound I want, I
just amplify it for the tune later on.
The 64 voice limit helped partially, but it seems that this is what I fixed
when went for two separate WhySynths.
It is now much better, however from time to time, once in 10-15 seconds,
there is still an audible click.
This seems like less of an issue, since when I was using two WhySynths, it
seems that both were generating these clicks,
thus making them sound more often. Right now this is barely noticeable, but
still there. Try to listen to the progression for some time
and you should spot them.
But your suggestion still helped and if nothing else helps, I might use
this version.
Cheers!
L.V.
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