12 Jul
2003
12 Jul
'03
5:41 a.m.
Here's some brief background before I get to my question:
-I'm building a linux daw from scratch (including external hardware)
-I've just put together a dual athlon 2400+ machine and have
(tentatively) installed mandrake
-I'm running out of money *fast*
The third point has put a damper on my soundcard/preamp/mic plans.
Initially I'll be happy to just record 1-2 channels at a time, but my
goal is to be able to do a decent job with a drum kit, possibly with
guitar or bass at the same time. I figure I can squeeze that in to eight
channels.
Ideally, I'd like to be able to buy a delta 44 now (for financial
reasons), and then buy another, or possibly a 66, later on and add it to
the set up. If I do this I can get a decent mic and preamp. Otherwise, I
have to go with the 1010 now and use a $20 radio shack mic until my bank
account recovers.
I checked around the lad archives and this question seems to come up
from time to time, but I'm wondering if this is possible with what's
currently out there.
Thanks,
Peter
12 Jul
12 Jul
6:46 a.m.
On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 02:28:30AM -0500, Peter Groves wrote:
-I'm building a linux daw from scratch (including external hardware)
-I've just put together a dual athlon 2400+ machine and have
(tentatively) installed mandrake
-I'm running out of money *fast*
The third point has put a damper on my soundcard/preamp/mic plans.
Initially I'll be happy to just record 1-2 channels at a time, but my
goal is to be able to do a decent job with a drum kit, possibly with
guitar or bass at the same time. I figure I can squeeze that in to eight
channels.
I'd have thought that dual Athlon 2400 is overkill for 8 channels and
some savings on CPU power would have bought you a mic preamp, but it
looks like it's too late now.
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11:51 a.m.
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:28:30 -0500 (CDT)
Peter Groves <pgroves(a)uiuc.edu> wrote:
Ideally, I'd like to be able to buy a delta 44 now
(for financial
reasons), and then buy another, or possibly a 66, later on and add it to
the set up. If I do this I can get a decent mic and preamp. Otherwise, I
have to go with the 1010 now and use a $20 radio shack mic until my bank
account recovers.
It'll be nigh impossible to bank multiple soundcards well unless they
have a method of synchronizing to a clock. Unfortunately, that sort of
thing doesnt hit the Delta line until you get to the 1010s, I believe.
I'd say that if you have the $$ for the 1010 now, get it, then follow
that up with an inexpensive mixer (the mic preamps in the Behringers
are surprisingly good) and a few SM57s & 58s and stands and cables.
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9:42 p.m.
The 1010-LT is US $300. It is very similar to the 1010, but with no metal
box, just bare cables coming out of the card. I am using it with good
results now that I got my IRQ/hard disk/kernel problems sorted out. It has
Digital Word Clock, which might be able to sync to something...
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Joe Hartley wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 02:28:30 -0500 (CDT)
Peter Groves <pgroves(a)uiuc.edu> wrote:
Ideally, I'd like to be able to buy a delta
44 now (for financial
reasons), and then buy another, or possibly a 66, later on and add it to
the set up. If I do this I can get a decent mic and preamp. Otherwise, I
have to go with the 1010 now and use a $20 radio shack mic until my bank
account recovers.
It'll be nigh impossible to bank multiple soundcards well unless they
have a method of synchronizing to a clock. Unfortunately, that sort of
thing doesnt hit the Delta line until you get to the 1010s, I believe.
I'd say that if you have the $$ for the 1010 now, get it, then follow
that up with an inexpensive mixer (the mic preamps in the Behringers
are surprisingly good) and a few SM57s & 58s and stands and cables.
--
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Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh(a)brainiac.com
Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa
3:33 p.m.
Ideally, I'd like to be able to buy a delta 44 now
(for financial
reasons), and then buy another,
You can't sync two 44's, they will drift as you record.
Also, the 1010 does the analog to digital conversion in
the breakout box, while (contrary to what some believe)
the 44 does not. It doesn't even have true balanced
connections to the soundcard ("I've opened mine and looked,
but counting the pins in the cable is enough to see this).
For what it's worth, I love many things about my 44, but
it is a son of a bitch to get the thing to work without
the dreaded "xruns". I finally had success though, with
jackd and Ardour, running with root privs.
As for the Drum kit, I know it is desireable to
record many channels of drum separately, but would
it do to simply use say a Mackie 1402-VLZPro mixer
to funnel the drum mics into two or three channels?
You would have to get the mix right the first time,
I know, but the 1402 would give you six very nice
channels of mic pre, which should ease the budget
problem. You also get phantom power, which you must
not forget that you need to power any decent condensor
mic.
If you get in a pinch, you can pick up a pair of
Marshall MXL2003's for a very reasonable price, and
in my limited experience yield a natural bright sound
that would be very tough to match for the same price.
Anyway, go for the large diaphragm condensors.
If it is to be a $20 mic, I recommend the radio shack
33-3017. I have a pair, and they don't compare well to
the Marshall's, but they are also hard to match for the price.
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14 Jul
14 Jul
3:41 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 10:20:15AM -0700, toby(a)tobiah.org wrote:
As for the Drum kit, I know it is desireable to
record many channels of drum separately, but would
it do to simply use say a Mackie 1402-VLZPro mixer
to funnel the drum mics into two or three channels?
I'd actually reccomend that you start out recording a max of four
channels of drums. Here are some reasons:
1) a max of four channels is a lot less complicated to learn on
2) a lot less mic position to play around with, but mic position can be
easier to hear.
3) you might be surprised at how great three channels on a kit can sound.
I run four channels to my drum kit - bass, snare, and two overheads.
I'm limited to four with my delta44, but I really don't think it's a
problem. If I had more channels, I'd just record more of my band live
and not overdub as much. Most of the time, I think the snare mic is me
being excessivly geeky ::-)
If you get in a pinch, you can pick up a pair of
Marshall MXL2003's for a very reasonable price, and
in my limited experience yield a natural bright sound
that would be very tough to match for the same price.
I've got a pair of MXL 990's for overheads and they are suprisingly
sweet. I read quite a bit of rmmp and rap archives before choosing them
(since they were cheaper than a few other mics I could've bought), but
it really seems like people like them more. They sound really great on
my kit, and only cost me $69 each!
In fact, there are often times I go with the 990's over a 57 - of course
your mileage and preferences may vary.
If it is to be a $20 mic, I recommend the radio shack
33-3017. I have a pair, and they don't compare well to
the Marshall's, but they are also hard to match for the price.
33-3032's are way cheap now if you can find them (discontinued, I'm
afraid) and sound pretty good on toms and snare. I bought a pair before
they dried up from the local RadioShacks for like eight bucks each.
Call around.
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