16 Jan
2011
16 Jan
'11
5:17 p.m.
Greetings,
http://www.kvraudio.com/interviews/interview_with_dave_smith
Not very deep, but enjoyable.
"Avoid Kansas". Great advice. :)
Best,
dp
16 Jan
16 Jan
5:45 p.m.
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
Greetings,
http://www.kvraudio.com/interviews/interview_with_dave_smith
Not very deep, but enjoyable.
"Avoid Kansas". Great advice. :)
Best,
dp
LOL, he has a lot of the same reasons I prefer to do music with
hardware than software. (I still use linux for music things of course,
but not soft synths or DAW's - ymmv). Tempest and his Roger Linn
partnership looks good, I'd consider it if I didn't already have a
jomox 999. Not my style of analogue via DCO's instead of VCO's, but
he's got the cheapest analogue poly on the market out of only like 3
total, and that certainly has a following. Worth the read, thanks.
6:12 p.m.
New subject: interview with Dave Smith -- OT about oscillators
robert lazarski wrote:
LOL, he has a lot of the same reasons I prefer to do music with
hardware than software. (I still use linux for music things of course,
but not soft synths or DAW's - ymmv). Tempest and his Roger Linn
partnership looks good, I'd consider it if I didn't already have a
jomox 999. Not my style of analogue via DCO's instead of VCO's, but
he's got the cheapest analogue poly on the market out of only like 3
total, and that certainly has a following. Worth the read, thanks.
I don't want to create a DCO vs VCO flamewar here -- after all, that's
what the KVR and VintageSynth forums are for :-) -- but I don't see what
the problem with DCOs is. Smith himself says they got a bad rap when
they first came out, but these days are worlds apart with very high
frequency control.
I find it easier to get lush, drifty sounds out of my Mopho than my
Little Phatty, whose VCOs are too tightly controlled and too stable with
no drift (but not to the point that it doesn't go out of tune when the
temperature drops!). You can't detune them too far before you start
getting very prominent, obnoxious beating.
On the Mopho the beating from detuning is much less pronounced so you
can detune more, then there's the oscillator slop parameter, which I
wish would go higher.
In a way I'm glad they've brought out a drum machine as it means I'm not
interested and so don't have to resist temptation! I'm trying to ignore
the fact that you can hook a keyboard up to it and use it as a six-voice
synth, but I'm broke so couldn't afford one anyway.
Q
--
A musical collaborator: "Lethargy, hm really? Then it will be time for
me to get over there and just accidental idea the $h!t out of you"
6:58 p.m.
New subject: interview with Dave Smith -- OT about oscillators
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Q <lists(a)quirq.ukfsn.org> wrote:
I don't want to create a DCO vs VCO flamewar here -- after all, that's what
the KVR and VintageSynth forums are for :-) -- but I don't see what the
problem with DCOs is. Smith himself says they got a bad rap when they first
came out, but these days are worlds apart with very high frequency control.
I find it easier to get lush, drifty sounds out of my Mopho than my Little
Phatty, whose VCOs are too tightly controlled and too stable with no drift
(but not to the point that it doesn't go out of tune when the temperature
drops!). You can't detune them too far before you start getting very
prominent, obnoxious beating.
On the Mopho the beating from detuning is much less pronounced so you can
detune more, then there's the oscillator slop parameter, which I wish would
go higher.
In a way I'm glad they've brought out a drum machine as it means I'm not
interested and so don't have to resist temptation! I'm trying to ignore the
fact that you can hook a keyboard up to it and use it as a six-voice synth,
but I'm broke so couldn't afford one anyway.
Q
I don't participate on KVR but I do on gearslutz, where I get enough
flaming so no worries :-). I've never demoed DSI gear personally -
there are no distributors for that in Brazil. Some say it sounds cold
but I personally can only go by the demos. My only Moog gear is the
moogerfoogers phaser, delay and midi murf. I do have a Future Retro XS
and a Analogue Solutions Red Square - both semi-modulars that have
VCO's and detune easily. And I certainly don't claim to be an expert
in subtractive synthesis.
IMHO there is nothing wrong with DSI gear, its just that if I'm going
thru the hassle and expense of analogue, I want the entire chain to be
analogue and I'll pay extra for it. Since the sound chain starts at
the oscillator, I want it to be analogue because imho that's the most
important part of a synth's sound. I've got VA's like the TI2 virus
for digital. Where DCO's can make sense though is poly analogue - add
about USD $4K to the prophet 08 price for an similar alternative
(stock SE CODE) with VCO's.
As for analogue drums, my jomox 999 is something I'll never part with
- it sounds that good. I've yet to hear a beefy kick like that from
the Tempest demos, but its not even released yet so we'll see. The
analogue Roland tr-* machines from the 80's still dominate along with
new players Jomox and Vermona, so in the end the Tempest is going to
have to sound damn good in that competition to warrant USD $2K - more
than any other current DSI product. And it might, time will tell.
7:57 p.m.
New subject: interview with Dave Smith -- OT about oscillators
robert lazarski wrote:
I don't participate on KVR but I do on gearslutz,
where I get enough
flaming so no worries :-). I've never demoed DSI gear personally -
there are no distributors for that in Brazil. Some say it sounds cold
but I personally can only go by the demos. My only Moog gear is the
moogerfoogers phaser, delay and midi murf. I do have a Future Retro XS
and a Analogue Solutions Red Square - both semi-modulars that have
VCO's and detune easily. And I certainly don't claim to be an expert
in subtractive synthesis.
IMHO there is nothing wrong with DSI gear, its just that if I'm going
thru the hassle and expense of analogue, I want the entire chain to be
analogue and I'll pay extra for it. Since the sound chain starts at
the oscillator, I want it to be analogue because imho that's the most
important part of a synth's sound. I've got VA's like the TI2 virus
for digital. Where DCO's can make sense though is poly analogue - add
about USD $4K to the prophet 08 price for an similar alternative
(stock SE CODE) with VCO's.
As for analogue drums, my jomox 999 is something I'll never part with
- it sounds that good. I've yet to hear a beefy kick like that from
the Tempest demos, but its not even released yet so we'll see. The
analogue Roland tr-* machines from the 80's still dominate along with
new players Jomox and Vermona, so in the end the Tempest is going to
have to sound damn good in that competition to warrant USD $2K - more
than any other current DSI product. And it might, time will tell.
Yeah, I think I might have seen VCO vs DCO flamewars on Gearslutz as
well, but that's not a place I visit regularly.
I'm sure you're aware of this, but I'd like to add for the purposes of
anyone else reading, or anyone who ever stumbles across archives of
these messages...
...I'm with you about analogue oscillators, I wanted analogue synths and
that's why I bought a Mopho keyboard, because they're so inexpensive and
they have ANALOGUE oscillators. Okay, so they're controlled digitally
rather than by analogue control voltages, but they and everything else
in the signal path is analogue. Of course, the LFOs and EGs are digital,
but that's a different matter. I think the LFOs and EGs in the Moog
Little Phatty are probably analogue, which is why it's more expensive
and way less flexible than the Mopho.
Q
--
A musical collaborator: "Lethargy, hm really? Then it will be time for
me to get over there and just accidental idea the $h!t out of you"
6:01 p.m.
Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings,
http://www.kvraudio.com/interviews/interview_with_dave_smith
Not very deep, but enjoyable.
"Avoid Kansas". Great advice. :)
Best,
dp
Thanks for the heads up, I normally go straight to the forum so might
have missed this otherwise.
There was an interesting interview with Smith and Linn on Create Digital
Music that came out on the first day of NAMM shortly after the
announcement, so presumably pre-recorded:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/01/the-father-of-drum-machines-and-the-f…
Q
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me to get over there and just accidental idea the $h!t out of you"
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