12 Apr
2010
12 Apr
'10
9:25 p.m.
Is anyone using the Ultrasone Pro 750 headphones for mixing or mastering?
Supposedly, they have made use of a simple psychoacoustic trick (off-center drivers) to
make the listening experience more like sitting in front of near-field monitors. Some
folks I know have them and have told me that they are more than good enough for mixing and
mastering-- even better in fact than monitors if your room isn't perfectly dead, since
you won't have room modes on headphones. However, I want to ask on this list, since
there are so many here who are not only knowledgeable, but are engineers and open-source
enthusiasts, and thus tend to be very good at debunking hype.
-ken
12 Apr
12 Apr
9:40 p.m.
On 12 April 2010 at 16:25, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Is anyone using the Ultrasone Pro 750 headphones for
mixing or
mastering?
Headphones, yes. Really, really good headphones, yes. Ultrasone
headphones, no. But, ...
Supposedly, they have made use of a simple
psychoacoustic trick
(off-center drivers) to make the listening experience more like
sitting in front of near-field monitors. Some folks I know
have them and have told me that they are more than good enough
for mixing and mastering-- even better in fact than monitors
if your room isn't perfectly dead, since you won't have room
modes on headphones. However, I want to ask on this list, since
there are so many here who are not only knowledgeable, but are
engineers and open-source enthusiasts, and thus tend to be very
good at debunking hype.
I've tried mixing on headphones, especially while the family
is asleep. I've found that to be useful to get my mix pretty
close to good for imaging, effects, and blend. The caution is
that "pretty close" means that a lot can change regarding how
the low frequency content fits into the mix. You'll notice that
I left out compressors in my list of things that work well in
headphones. For me, that's because my compression primarily goes
on my drums, which have a lot of low end content. If you're
mixing violin, vocals, and piccolos, then you might find a
headphone mix satisfactory. I've tried for years (like 15 years)
to approximate getting my low end mixes right. The only time
I've had success is when my listening environment was set up for
something reasonably accurate at the low end. Headphones never
came close.
My bottom line is: watch out for being fooled by headphones if
there are low frequencies in your mix. Other than that, they're
OK.
--
Kevin
13 Apr
13 Apr
3:17 a.m.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 04:40:09PM -0700, Kevin Cosgrove wrote:
Yeah, that's a problem. I need to *feel* the bass, and *feel* the kick. For funk music
especially, it's a full-body experience, and doesn't work in headphones.
That said, 3 years ago when I was posting all those hours and hours of made-with-Linux
music, I did all my mixes on headphones-- in-ear monitors to be exact. But I'd also
check them again on my stereo during the day to make sure the bass balance was good.
-ken
On 12 April 2010 at 16:25, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Which models do you use and like?
Is anyone using the Ultrasone Pro 750 headphones
for mixing or
mastering?
Headphones, yes. Really, really good headphones, yes. Ultrasone
headphones, no. But, ... Supposedly, they have made use of a simple
psychoacoustic trick
(off-center drivers) to make the listening experience more like
sitting in front of near-field monitors. Some folks I know
have them and have told me that they are more than good enough
for mixing and mastering-- even better in fact than monitors
if your room isn't perfectly dead, since you won't have room
modes on headphones. However, I want to ask on this list, since
there are so many here who are not only knowledgeable, but are
engineers and open-source enthusiasts, and thus tend to be very
good at debunking hype.
I've tried mixing on headphones, especially while the family
is asleep. I've found that to be useful to get my mix pretty
close to good for imaging, effects, and blend. The caution is
that "pretty close" means that a lot can change regarding how
the low frequency content fits into the mix. You'll notice that
I left out compressors in my list of things that work well in
headphones. For me, that's because my compression primarily goes
on my drums, which have a lot of low end content. If you're
mixing violin, vocals, and piccolos, then you might find a
headphone mix satisfactory. I've tried for years (like 15 years)
to approximate getting my low end mixes right. The only time
I've had success is when my listening environment was set up for
something reasonably accurate at the low end. Headphones never
came close.
My bottom line is: watch out for being fooled by headphones if
there are low frequencies in your mix. Other than that, they're
OK.
11:37 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 04:40:09PM -0700, Kevin
Cosgrove wrote:
I've got the 750's. I'd summaries as pretty terrible build quality,
the headphone band is my second one after replacing the previous one
under warranty and it's once again in multiple pieces. Also they arn't
very accurate and are poor value for money. My RE0 in ear canal phones
are for me superior in every way, as well as being considerably
cheaper. I'm quite happy monitoring on the RE0's but actually more
often use the 750's for multitracking as they are easier to get on and
off! :) For multitracking the poor quality doesn't impede me much.
Loki
On 12 April 2010 at 16:25, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
Which models do you use and like?
Is anyone using the Ultrasone Pro 750 headphones
for mixing or
mastering?
Headphones, yes. Really, really good headphones, yes. Ultrasone
headphones, no. But, ... 
12 Apr
12 Apr
10:20 p.m.
I have listened to other Ultrasone models. In my own opinion, the
imaging gimmick with the off-center/multiple drivers doesn't work. On
the other hand, What imaging tricks work varies from person to person.
Monty
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