22 Dec
2008
22 Dec
'08
10:01 a.m.
Hi!
I have had this idea of creating a track with just counting, 1, 2, 3, 4
and 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and Beat Beat Beat since long ...
and only recently thought: How much more interesting would that be with
many people, in several languages!
So that's why I ask you for audio samples of yourself and everyone else
you might get to do it, saying:
A: One Two Three Four
B: One and Two and Three and Four
c: Beat
preferably in your native language. With a tempo of 110 beats per minute
(to be very clear, the "and" has to be between beats ;).
All files should be:
- WAV or wavpacked
- 32 bit float, 48 KHz
- Trimmed
- Normalized
- Dry
- Explicitly licensed as http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
or released to the Public Domain
Please name them as follows:
firstname_lastname_language_count.wav for "One Two Three Fou"
firstname_lastname_language_count_and.wav for "One and Two ..."
firstname_lastname_language_beat.wav for "Beat"
I _much_ prefer links to uploads over email attachments. Consider using
http://www.getdropbox.com/ if you have no other space. Please mail me
off-list for submissions and on-list for questions.
My intention is to offer the result and the material on archive.org.
I also want to submit a version to the
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase
I can't promise to use all contributions. I will sort out ones that
sound suspiciously different from others claimed to be in the same
language ;)
However, all serious contributors will be given credit.
I will collect files until the 15th of January!
Happy holidays!
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http://thorwil.wordpress.com/
22 Dec
22 Dec
10:36 a.m.
Thorsten Wilms wrote:
Hi!
I have had this idea of creating a track with just counting, 1, 2, 3, 4
and 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and Beat Beat Beat since long ...
and only recently thought: How much more interesting would that be with
many people, in several languages!
Been done...
eins zwei drei fier funf sechs seiben acht
ONE TWO
ovil dah tri
Krafty devils that they are... ;-)
Gordon
12:41 p.m.
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:36 +0000, Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ wrote:
There's Kraftwerk's Numbers and I vaguely recall that there was a song
on the Eurovision Song Contest (back when it had a name that I wouldn't
be able to reproduce without copy-paste :) where the text was just
counting.
Such a simple concept can't be new, but I'm sure the way this shall come
together and the final result will be rather unlike anything that
happened before ;)
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and only
recently thought: How much more interesting would that be with
many people, in several languages!
Been done...
eins zwei drei fier funf sechs seiben acht
ONE TWO
ovil dah tri
Krafty devils that they are... ;-) 
30 Dec
30 Dec
9:17 p.m.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 05:41:45PM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 14:36 +0000, Gordon JC Pearce
MM3YEQ wrote:
There's Kraftwerk's Numbers and I vaguely recall that there was a song
on the Eurovision Song Contest (back when it had a name that I wouldn't
be able to reproduce without copy-paste :) where the text was just
counting.
Such a simple concept can't be new, but I'm sure the way this shall come
together and the final result will be rather unlike anything that
happened before ;)
This discussion reminded me of a Kraftwerk cover done by a former cow-orker almost a
decade ago:
http://www.creth.com/media/trax/home-computer-heavy-kraft-warning.mp3
It wasn't done in Linux, but I figured some on this list might relate to it :-)
Besides the Senor Coconut album, this is my favorite Kraftwerk cover.
-ken
and only
recently thought: How much more interesting would that be with
many people, in several languages!
Been done...
eins zwei drei fier funf sechs seiben acht
ONE TWO
ovil dah tri
Krafty devils that they are... ;-) 
31 Dec
31 Dec
12:58 a.m.
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Ken Restivo <ken(a)restivo.org> wrote:
This is cute:)
It wasn't done in Linux, but I figured some on this list might relate to it :-)
Have you heard the Balanescu String Quartet's Kraftwerk covers?
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22 Dec
22 Dec
5:51 p.m.
Quoth Gordon JC Pearce MM3YEQ at 2008-12-23 01:06...
Been done...
eins zwei drei fier funf sechs seiben acht
ONE TWO
ovil dah tri
Thank you for answering the question "what shall I listen to today
whilst working" ;-)
I'll try to get some recorded in the next week or so.
Does it have to be recorded using Linux or can I use my H2? (I'd do the
tidying up using Audacity, but wasn't sure if this had to be Linux
end-to-end.)
What about a vocoded version as well? My (analogue) microphone just
happens to be plugged into the vocoder in put of my MS2000R. (For
natives of the planet KlingKlang ;-)
Now I just have to learn to speak in time ;-)
Cheers
M
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23 Dec
23 Dec
5:27 a.m.
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 08:21 +1030, Matthew Smith wrote:
I'll try to get some recorded in the next week or
so.
Cool :)
Does it have to be recorded using Linux or can I use
my H2? (I'd do the
tidying up using Audacity, but wasn't sure if this had to be Linux
end-to-end.)
Whatever works for you. Though using Ardour would make it simple
regarding the requested format. Can your H2 record at 48 kHz?
What about a vocoded version as well? My (analogue)
microphone just
happens to be plugged into the vocoder in put of my MS2000R. (For
natives of the planet KlingKlang ;-)
Well, with what I have in mind, I would aim for a "natural" sound for
most of the piece, but perhaps try vocoding for the whole thing later
on. I wouldn't mind _additional_ processed samples, but might not use
them. I would still include them with the other material for download.
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5:39 a.m.
Quoth Thorsten Wilms at 2008-12-23 19:57...
Whatever works for you. Though using Ardour would make
it simple
regarding the requested format. Can your H2 record at 48 kHz?
Possibly, but my card
(Behringer UC202) only does 16 bit @ 48 kHz. The
H2, however, can record WAV at 24 bit @ 48kHz right up to 24 bit @ 96kHz.
I'm not all that sure about how good it is to "normalise" 24 bit to 32
bit - that would mean some sort of interpolation and thus introduction
of errors.
I think I'll just record using the H2, 24 bit @ 48kHz, trim and save.
Then I will expand that to 32 bit so you have got the pure and
interpolated versions.
Well, with what I have in mind, I would aim for a
"natural" sound for
most of the piece, but perhaps try vocoding for the whole thing later
on. I wouldn't mind _additional_ processed samples, but might not use
them. I would still include them with the other material for download.
I'll do
vocoded ones too, if I have the time.
Cheers
M
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6:12 a.m.
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 20:09 +1030, Matthew Smith wrote:
I'm not all that sure about how good it is to
"normalise" 24 bit to 32
bit - that would mean some sort of interpolation and thus introduction
of errors.
To normalize doesn't refer to changing bit-depth at all. It's about
detecting the loudest sample in a file (or selection), calculating a
multiplier that will give it the highest allowed value and then applying
this multiplier to all the samples.
This is of course neutral at best regarding quality, but makes handling
material from many different sources a bit easier. So I hope, at
least :)
I think I'll just record using the H2, 24 bit @
48kHz, trim and save.
Then I will expand that to 32 bit so you have got the pure and
interpolated versions.
I asked for 32 bit float mainly to not have people recording with a JACK
application submitting exports to an integer bit-rate.
I want to avoid conversions and 32 bit float is a given because I will
edit in Ardour :)
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22 Dec
22 Dec
4:09 p.m.
On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 15:01 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
After a little chat, I have to make a few clarifications :)
B: One and Two and Three and Four
Should be "One and Two and Three and Four and"
Plus points for delivering both, though
Up to 4 iterations (4 bars) or the counting would be ideal. No need to
fill minutes with it.
If there are special ways of counting in your language, regarding music,
go for it, ideally in addition! Please explain it to me, though :)
Regarding "Beat", just the word once will do, I intend to use it as
accent. Would be "Schlag" in German. So whatever one could call every
beat in your language.
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6:48 p.m.
Just spotted this:
- 32 bit float, 48 KHz
I don't have anything with a 32-bit ADC. My H2 goes up to 24 bit
(although it can do 96 ksps at this resolution) and the UCA-202 hooked
into my laptop only to 16-bit.
Do you really require this resolution? I'm guessing that I'm not the
only one who doesn't have ADCs with such super-high resolution so maybe
you would get more samples submitted with a lower resolution.
Cheers
M
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23 Dec
23 Dec
2:10 a.m.
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 09:18:16AM +1030, Matthew Smith wrote:
Just spotted this:
32-bit float is the native resolution of JACK, IIRC.
I'd just record on whatever is the highest resolution I can get, then open up the file
in Rezound or Ardour or Audacity or whatever, edit accordingly, and then save it out as
32-bit float 48Khz to meet the requirements.
-ken
- 32 bit float, 48 KHz
I don't have anything with a 32-bit ADC. My H2 goes up to 24 bit
(although it can do 96 ksps at this resolution) and the UCA-202 hooked
into my laptop only to 16-bit.
Do you really require this resolution? I'm guessing that I'm not the
only one who doesn't have ADCs with such super-high resolution so maybe
you would get more samples submitted with a lower resolution.
2:50 a.m.
Quoth Ken Restivo at 2008-12-23 16:39...
32-bit float is the native resolution of JACK, IIRC.
I'd just record on whatever is the highest resolution I can get, then open up the
file in Rezound or Ardour or Audacity or whatever, edit accordingly, and then save it out
as 32-bit float 48Khz to meet the requirements.
So how would that work? Would the samples then just end up having 0 for
the 8 least significant bits? (Assuming I've recorded at 24 bits.)
Cheers
M
5:04 a.m.
Matthew Smith wrote:
So how would that work? Would the samples then just
end up having 0 for
the 8 least significant bits? (Assuming I've recorded at 24 bits.)
If you normalise (as requested) the samples your 16-bit samples will be
'stretched' (in magnitude) to cover the 24-bits spanning 0 to 1 in
floating-point - hence those bits will be non-zero.
HTH
R
5:12 a.m.
Quoth rob at 2008-12-23 19:32...
If you normalise (as requested) the samples your
16-bit samples will be
'stretched' (in magnitude) to cover the 24-bits spanning 0 to 1 in
floating-point - hence those bits will be non-zero.
Thanks, understood. And you've also answered what would have been my
next question - "what is normalise?" Never came across that in my
analogue days.
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6:52 a.m.
Matthew Smith wrote:
Just spotted this:
there are no 32bit ADCs in the world :)
it's just that 32bit float @ 48k is a convenient format (since it's
JACK's native one).
- 32 bit float, 48 KHz
I don't have anything with a 32-bit ADC. Do you really require this resolution? I'm
guessing that I'm not the
only one who doesn't have ADCs with such super-high resolution so maybe
you would get more samples submitted with a lower resolution.
no harm sampling with 16bits. you just save thorsten a bit of work when
you convert it...
best,
jörn
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22 Dec
22 Dec
7 p.m.
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Thorsten Wilms <t_w_(a)freenet.de> wrote:
Hi!
I have had this idea of creating a track with just counting, 1, 2, 3, 4
and 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and Beat Beat Beat since long ...
and only recently thought: How much more interesting would that be with
many people, in several languages!
So that's why I ask you for audio samples of yourself and everyone else
you might get to do it, saying:
A: One Two Three Four
B: One and Two and Three and Four
c: Beat
preferably in your native language. With a tempo of 110 beats per minute
(to be very clear, the "and" has to be between beats ;).
All files should be:
- WAV or wavpacked
- 32 bit float, 48 KHz
- Trimmed
- Normalized
- Dry
- Explicitly licensed as http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
or released to the Public Domain
Please name them as follows:
firstname_lastname_language_count.wav for "One Two Three Fou"
firstname_lastname_language_count_and.wav for "One and Two ..."
firstname_lastname_language_beat.wav for "Beat"
I _much_ prefer links to uploads over email attachments. Consider using
http://www.getdropbox.com/ if you have no other space. Please mail me
off-list for submissions and on-list for questions.
My intention is to offer the result and the material on archive.org.
I also want to submit a version to the
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase
I can't promise to use all contributions. I will sort out ones that
sound suspiciously different from others claimed to be in the same
language ;)
However, all serious contributors will be given credit.
I will collect files until the 15th of January!
Happy holidays!
--
Thorsten Wilms
thorwil's design for free software:
http://thorwil.wordpress.com/
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I can do Hungarian, Russian and Uzbek if you can't find native
speakers for these. Though there are Russian and Hungarian native
speakers on the list, and probably Uzbek/Kyrgyz/Kazakh.
Loki
23 Dec
23 Dec
5:39 a.m.
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 10:00 +1100, Loki Davison wrote:
I can do Hungarian, Russian and Uzbek if you can't
find native
speakers for these. Though there are Russian and Hungarian native
speakers on the list, and probably Uzbek/Kyrgyz/Kazakh.
Well, first of all it would be nice to have samples in English from all
the countries where it's a first language :)
I ask for samples in one's native tongue mainly to be sure to have
correct pronunciation. Additional languages are great if you are
confident about it. After all, I hope to receive enough material to
layer it in most languages.
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thorwil's design for free software:
http://thorwil.wordpress.com/
6:07 a.m.
Thorsten Wilms a écrit :
On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 10:00 +1100, Loki Davison
wrote:
I think of one, the Cap Canaveral counting track:
6... and... 5... and...
4... 3... 2... 1...
and he shot off like a rocket.
Phil
I can do Hungarian, Russian and Uzbek if you
can't find native
speakers for these. Though there are Russian and Hungarian native
speakers on the list, and probably Uzbek/Kyrgyz/Kazakh.
Well, first of all it would be nice to have samples in English from all
the countries where it's a first language :)
I ask for samples in one's native tongue mainly to be sure to have
correct pronunciation. Additional languages are great if you are
confident about it. After all, I hope to receive enough material to
layer it in most languages.
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