3 Jul
2010
3 Jul
'10
11:42 a.m.
Hi,
I've written a short paper on different methods of notation which have evolved
recently, and thought that some readers here might be interested.
The paper is available at http://indigo.uk.to/~david/notes/music/notation.pdf .
The primary languages discussed are Mondrian, Abc notation, Csound, and Lilypond.
The paper wasn't by any means intended to be comprehensive, so I haven't discussed
other tools such as Philip's Music Writer, or the various audio programming
environments such as SuperCollider, Chuck and others.
It's not necessarily Linux-specific, but the software discussed is all FLOSS and
available on Linux - and the information might be of interest to people who use Linux to
compose music.
Feedback and corrections are welcome.
david
3 Jul
3 Jul
12:13 p.m.
David Collins wrote:
Hi,
I've written a short paper on different methods of notation which have evolved
recently, and thought that some readers here might be interested.
The paper is available at http://indigo.uk.to/~david/notes/music/notation.pdf .
The primary languages discussed are Mondrian, Abc notation, Csound, and Lilypond.
Hmm, I thought Lilypond was just software for producing very good
quality traditional Western music notation. It's a different method?
Oh, sorry, I read your "different methods of notation" as different
forms of music notation - IOW, something different from traditional
Western music notation. Csound's a programming language, I guess that
could be considered a form of music notation, but I'd consider that one
specialized for "reading" by Csound. Like a player piano scroll is
specialized for reading by a player piano.
I just don't think of them as "music notation". I'm probably too
sheet-music oriented.
What's Mondrian?
--
David
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authenticity, honesty, community
12:17 p.m.
david wrote:
David Collins wrote:
Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing called "rock music". I
have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
music" with? ;-)
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Hi,
I've written a short paper on different methods of notation which have
evolved recently, and thought that some readers here might be interested.
The paper is available at
http://indigo.uk.to/~david/notes/music/notation.pdf .
The primary languages discussed are Mondrian, Abc notation, Csound,
and Lilypond.
Hmm, I thought Lilypond was just software for producing very good
quality traditional Western music notation. It's a different method?
Oh, sorry, I read your "different methods of notation" as different
forms of music notation - IOW, something different from traditional
Western music notation. Csound's a programming language, I guess that
could be considered a form of music notation, but I'd consider that one
specialized for "reading" by Csound. Like a player piano scroll is
specialized for reading by a player piano.
I just don't think of them as "music notation". I'm probably too
sheet-music oriented. 
2:18 p.m.
On Sat, 2010-07-03 at 02:17 -1000, david wrote:
david wrote:
Something hard enough to bang a heavily-fuzzed head on =)
David Collins wrote:
Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing called "rock music". I
have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
music" with? ;-)
Hi,
I've written a short paper on different methods of notation which have
evolved recently, and thought that some readers here might be interested.
The paper is available at
http://indigo.uk.to/~david/notes/music/notation.pdf .
The primary languages discussed are Mondrian, Abc notation, Csound,
and Lilypond.
Hmm, I thought Lilypond was just software for producing very good
quality traditional Western music notation. It's a different method?
Oh, sorry, I read your "different methods of notation" as different
forms of music notation - IOW, something different from traditional
Western music notation. Csound's a programming language, I guess that
could be considered a form of music notation, but I'd consider that one
specialized for "reading" by Csound. Like a player piano scroll is
specialized for reading by a player piano.
I just don't think of them as "music notation". I'm probably too
sheet-music oriented.
5 Jul
5 Jul
5:26 a.m.
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
All part of the original experience. #-S
--
David
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authenticity, honesty, community
Excuse me, I
need to go notate this new thing called "rock music". I
have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
music" with? ;-)
Something hard enough to bang a heavily-fuzzed head on =) 
3 Jul
3 Jul
6:43 p.m.
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:17:45 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing called
"rock music". I
have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
music" with? ;-)
You've been reading Terry Pratchett, haven't you :)
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
6:59 p.m.
On Saturday 03 July 2010 20:43:52 Folderol wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:17:45 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I have only read the German translation ans while the German text talks about
"rock music" I think the English one (at least from the title) talks about
"soul music"?!
But the style of Terry Pratchett is cool. Almost as cool as Douglas Adams
writings...
Have fun,
Arnold
Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing
called "rock music". I
have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
music" with? ;-)
You've been reading Terry Pratchett, haven't you :)
5 Jul
5 Jul
5:32 a.m.
Arnold Krille wrote:
On Saturday 03 July 2010 20:43:52 Folderol wrote:
I think Pratchett is more focused and intentional satire. Adams is more
chaotic. Hitchhikers' Guide had a short episodic structure that I think
hindered it.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:17:45 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I have only read the German translation ans while the German text talks about
"rock music" I think the English one (at least from the title) talks about
"soul music"?!
But the style of Terry Pratchett is cool. Almost as cool as Douglas Adams
writings... Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing
called "rock music". I
have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
music" with? ;-)
You've been reading Terry Pratchett, haven't you :)
3 Jul
3 Jul
9:17 p.m.
On Saturday 03 July 2010 14:43:52 Folderol wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:17:45 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I have read some Pratchett, but wouldn't have thought that was him. Do you
have a title for it?
all the best,
drew
Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing
called "rock music". I
have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
music" with? ;-)
You've been reading Terry Pratchett, haven't you :)
4 Jul
4 Jul
8:15 a.m.
drew Roberts wrote:
On Saturday 03 July 2010 14:43:52 Folderol wrote:
No, that's just something I made up. I've also read some Terry Pratchett
but don't remember anything like that.
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:17:45 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I have read some Pratchett, but wouldn't have thought that was him. Do you
have a title for it? Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing
called "rock music". I
have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
music" with? ;-)
You've been reading Terry Pratchett, haven't you :)
2:27 p.m.
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:15:32 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
drew Roberts wrote:
It wasn't intended as a direct quote, just a typical thing TP would
write, and remarkably close to 'music with rocks in'
--
Will J Godfrey
http://www.musically.me.uk
Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
On Saturday 03 July 2010 14:43:52 Folderol
wrote:
No, that's just something I made up. I've also read some Terry Pratchett
but don't remember anything like that.
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:17:45 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I have read some Pratchett, but wouldn't have thought that was him. Do you
have a title for it? Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing
called "rock music". I
have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
music" with? ;-)
You've been reading Terry Pratchett, haven't you :)
2:38 p.m.
Am Sonntag, den 04.07.2010, 15:27 +0100 schrieb Folderol:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:15:32 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Orginal title is "Soul Music"
published 1994 by Victor Gollancz Ltd.,London
drew Roberts wrote:
It wasn't intended as a direct quote, just a typical thing TP would
write, and remarkably close to 'music with rocks in'
On Saturday 03 July 2010 14:43:52 Folderol
wrote:
No, that's just something I made up. I've also read some Terry Pratchett
but don't remember anything like that.
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:17:45 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing called "rock music". I
> have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
> music" with? ;-)
You've been reading Terry Pratchett, haven't you :)
I have read some Pratchett, but wouldn't have thought that was him. Do you
have a title for it?
5 Jul
5 Jul
5:34 a.m.
hermann wrote:
Am Sonntag, den 04.07.2010, 15:27 +0100 schrieb
Folderol:
Thanks, added to the reading list!
--
David
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authenticity, honesty, community
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:15:32 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Orginal title is "Soul Music"
published 1994 by Victor Gollancz Ltd.,London drew Roberts wrote:
It wasn't intended as a direct quote, just a typical thing TP would
write, and remarkably close to 'music with rocks in'
On Saturday 03 July 2010 14:43:52 Folderol
wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:17:45 -1000
>
> david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>> Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing called "rock music". I
>> have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
>> music" with? ;-)
> You've been reading Terry Pratchett, haven't you :)
I have read some Pratchett, but wouldn't have thought that was him. Do you
have a title for it?
No, that's just something I made up. I've also read
some Terry Pratchett
but don't remember anything like that.
5:33 a.m.
Folderol wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:15:32 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
TP's written so many books, he could have that somewhere in one of them.
--
David
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authenticity, honesty, community
drew Roberts wrote:
It wasn't intended as a direct quote, just a typical thing TP would
write, and remarkably close to 'music with rocks in' On Saturday 03 July 2010 14:43:52 Folderol
wrote:
No, that's just something I made up. I've also read
some Terry Pratchett
but don't remember anything like that.
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:17:45 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing called "rock music". I
> have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
> music" with? ;-)
You've been reading Terry Pratchett, haven't you :)
I have read some
Pratchett, but wouldn't have thought that was him. Do you
have a title for it?
5:28 a.m.
Folderol wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:17:45 -1000
david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I have, but not recently. It does sound like something he'd write,
doesn't it?
--
David
gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com
authenticity, honesty, community
Excuse me, I need to go notate this new thing
called "rock music". I
have hammer and chisel, what's the best kind of stone to notate "rock
music" with? ;-)
You've been reading Terry Pratchett, haven't you :) 
3 Jul
3 Jul
1:51 p.m.
David Collins wrote:
Hi,
I've written a short paper on different methods of notation which have evolved
recently, and thought that some readers here might be interested.
The paper is available at http://indigo.uk.to/~david/notes/music/notation.pdf .
The primary languages discussed are Mondrian, Abc notation, Csound, and Lilypond.
The paper wasn't by any means intended to be comprehensive, so I haven't
discussed other tools such as Philip's Music Writer, or the various audio programming
environments such as SuperCollider, Chuck and others.
It's not necessarily Linux-specific, but the software discussed is all FLOSS and
available on Linux - and the information might be of interest to people who use Linux to
compose music.
Feedback and corrections are welcome.
david
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David,
It is an interesting overview but a topic that, in my eyes, is not very
important. Yes I know Lilypond an Abc and a wealth of other notation
methods. Dont' forget Messiaen or the Dutch composer Peter Schat (with
the "Toonklok") or several others, each devising the method best suited
to their view on music. Don't forget the combination of classical notes
and chord symbols, actually an extension to the classical basso continuo
notation from the times of Bach.
However, I don't think that we are in need of a new notational view. To
me it's a challenge to use standard notation to express as exactly as
possible your intention with melody, chords, timing, you name it. It is
the INTERPRETER who will make the notated sounds come to live, be it a
cantate of Bach, the Soldade do Brazil by Milhaud, a transcripted piano
solo of Keith Jarrett or an arrangement for Big Band by Klaus Obermayer
(or Johnny Dankworth to name an English arranger).
Don't forget, current programs (Finale for Windows and Mscore for Linux)
give you an endless gamma of graphical and alphabetical 'tools' to
express your intentions. Even current modern compositions which are very
free in the sounds composers want to be heard (listen to the "obliged
work" of the Queen Elisabeth music competition 2010) are written in
standard notation.
But others may have of course different views.
Joep
2:14 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 03:51:15PM +0200, Joep L. Blom wrote:
Even current modern compositions which are
very free in the sounds composers want to be heard (listen to the
"obliged work" of the Queen Elisabeth music competition 2010) are
written in standard notation.
Living in Italy this escaped me. Who was the composer this year ?
Ciao,
--
FA
O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !
3:11 p.m.
fons(a)kokkinizita.net wrote:
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 03:51:15PM +0200, Joep L. Blom
wrote:
Fons,
It took some effort as I couldn't find it on the Internet but my wife
took notes.
The composer: Jeon Minje
When I had his name I found the rest here:
The piece is entitled: Target.
We've heard it and it is interesting.
As the finalists of the concours were presented on television, I have
recorded (part of) all 12 laureates. As always it was very intersting.
Joep
Even current modern compositions which are
very free in the sounds composers want to be heard (listen to the
"obliged work" of the Queen Elisabeth music competition 2010) are
written in standard notation.
Living in Italy this escaped me. Who was the composer this year ?
Ciao,
4:39 p.m.
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 05:11:21PM +0200, Joep L. Blom wrote:
fons(a)kokkinizita.net wrote:
Many thanks !
Living in Italy this escaped me. Who was the
composer this year ?
It took some effort as I couldn't find it on the Internet but my
wife took notes.
The composer: Jeon Minje
When I had his name I found the rest here:
>http://piano2010.blogspot.com/2010/05/minje-jeon-1st-prize-composition-2009.html
The piece is entitled: Target.
We've heard it and it is interesting.
One of the nice aspects of the concours is that you can hear
the same new piece being interpreted by twelve musicians, all
of then usually quite good ones.
As the finalists of the concours were presented on
television, I
have recorded (part of) all 12 laureates. As always it was very
intersting.
When I was much younger the entire final round (6 evenings)
was transmitted live on TV. I'm surprised they still do that.
I did the sound engineering for two of the violin editions.
Always hoped I could do the piano years as well, but in very
typical Belgian fashion the job alternated between BRT (flemish,
where I was working) and RTB (the french language broadcaster).
Back then I didn't like the sound of the hall, it was one of
the few where I'd use artificial reverb rather than the natural
one. Things changed after it was restaured some years ago
(removing a lot of carpet and bringing back the original
hardwood floor).
Greetings from very hot Parma,
--
FA
O tu, che porte, correndo si ?
E guerra e morte !
3:55 p.m.
On Saturday 03 July 2010 08:25:05 David Collins wrote:
Hi,
I've written a short paper on different methods of notation which have
evolved recently, and thought that some readers here might be interested.
The paper is available at
http://indigo.uk.to/~david/notes/music/notation.pdf .
The primary languages discussed are Mondrian, Abc notation, Csound, and
Lilypond. The paper wasn't by any means intended to be comprehensive, so I
haven't discussed other tools such as Philip's Music Writer, or the various
audio programming environments such as SuperCollider, Chuck and others.
It's not necessarily Linux-specific, but the software discussed is all
FLOSS and available on Linux - and the information might be of interest to
people who use Linux to compose music.
Feedback and corrections are welcome.
I was just wondering this morning what might be the best option for notating
four part vocal harmony and then printing it out or "performing" it one
part/voice at a time or any combination of parts.
Speed / ease of input probably important to this request.
Any thoughts?
david
all the best,
drew
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