7 Apr
2012
7 Apr
'12
9:49 p.m.
Hi everybody,
I'd like to learn more about how to use zynaddsubfx. I know the basic setup
and I understand the most obvious parameters, but is there something like a
manual or an "advanced" tutorial somewhere?
Also, what is the actual difference between yoshimi and zynaddsubfx?
Yoshimi's site states something about better jack and midi support, but
does this still apply to current releases?
I can't test yoshimi yet because it fails to build on my system (ARCH 64).
Its INSTALL instructions say to ask for help on this list, so I dare to
post the stack here, just in case a charitable soul knows where I should
look...
[ 54%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/Effects/EQ.cpp.o
[ 55%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/Effects/Distorsion.cpp.o
[ 56%] Building CXX object
CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/Effects/DynamicFilter.cpp.o
[ 57%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/MusicIO/MusicClient.cpp.o
[ 58%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/MusicIO/MusicIO.cpp.o
[ 59%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp.o
/tmp/yoshimi-0.060.12/src/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp: In member function ‘bool
JackEngine::connectServer(std::string)’:
/tmp/yoshimi-0.060.12/src/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp:53:24: error: ‘usleep’ was
not declared in this scope
/tmp/yoshimi-0.060.12/src/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp: In member function ‘void*
JackEngine::midiThread()’:
/tmp/yoshimi-0.060.12/src/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp:407:16: warning:
converting ‘false’ to pointer type ‘void*’ [-Wconversion-null]
make[2]: *** [CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/all] Error 2
make: *** [all] Error 2
But before even troubleshooting, I'd like to know if, in your experience,
yoshimi offers something really different than zynaddsubfx.
Cheers to all,
Victor
7 Apr
7 Apr
11:39 p.m.
On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:48:42 +0200
"Victor A. Stoichita" <vicsto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
I'd like to learn more about how to use zynaddsubfx. I know the basic
setup and I understand the most obvious parameters, but is there
something like a manual or an "advanced" tutorial somewhere?
Hi, this
http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=zynaddsubfx_manual
was a good read for me; it gives an overview of zyn/yoshimi's internal
workings and proceeds to explain pretty much every knob.
From my limited understanding there are some *major* improvements
yoshimi brought in performance over zynaddsubfx, and I don't think
there is any reason why you should be using zyn instead of yoshimi.
have fun,
renato
8 Apr
8 Apr
9:25 a.m.
On 04/07/2012 11:35 AM, Renato wrote:
On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:48:42 +0200
"Victor A. Stoichita"<vicsto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
One reason I switched to using Yoshimi instead of Zyn was because Zyn
would frequently simply hang, unresponsive, when running JACK at what I
considered low latencies (8-16ms). (Other folk on the list probably
don't consider that low latency at all.) Yoshimi didn't have that problem.
I THINK Yoshimi uses more CPU than Zyn, never checked to measure.
The Yoshimi UI is cleaner than Zyn's, more readable. I think both of
them would benefit by realizing that the typical graphics UI now is much
higher resolution than the cramped little spaces the UI seems to be
designed for, but that's could be just my opinion.
--
David
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Hi everybody,
I'd like to learn more about how to use zynaddsubfx. I know the basic
setup and I understand the most obvious parameters, but is there
something like a manual or an "advanced" tutorial somewhere?
Hi, this
http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=zynaddsubfx_manual
was a good read for me; it gives an overview of zyn/yoshimi's internal
workings and proceeds to explain pretty much every knob.
From my limited understanding there are some
*major* improvements
yoshimi brought in performance over zynaddsubfx, and I
don't think
there is any reason why you should be using zyn instead of yoshimi.
12:44 p.m.
On 8 April 2012 09:25, david <gnome(a)hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
On 04/07/2012 11:35 AM, Renato wrote:
Thanks to all for the quick and informative replies!
Renato, this is exactly what I was looking for!
Thanks to David for fixing the bug in Yoshimi through the AUR package (even
though it comes from upstream).
I will focus on Yoshimi for now... big sunday ahead :-) !
Blue skies to all,
Victor
On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:48:42 +0200
"Victor A. Stoichita"<vicsto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everybody,
was a good read for me; it gives an overview of
zyn/yoshimi's internal
workings and proceeds to explain pretty much every knob.
From my limited understanding there are some *major* improvements
yoshimi brought in performance over
zynaddsubfx, and I don't think
there is any reason why you should be using zyn instead of yoshimi.
One reason I switched to using Yoshimi instead of Zyn was because Zyn
would frequently simply hang, unresponsive, when running JACK at what I
considered low latencies (8-16ms). (Other folk on the list probably don't
consider that low latency at all.) Yoshimi didn't have that problem.
I THINK Yoshimi uses more CPU than Zyn, never checked to measure.
The Yoshimi UI is cleaner than Zyn's, more readable. I think both of them
would benefit by realizing that the typical graphics UI now is much higher
resolution than the cramped little spaces the UI seems to be designed for,
but that's could be just my opinion.
I'd like to learn more about how to use zynaddsubfx. I know the basic
setup and I understand the most obvious parameters, but is there
something like a manual or an "advanced" tutorial somewhere?
Hi, this
http://wiki.linuxmusicians.**com/doku.php?id=zynaddsubfx_**manual<http:/…
9:52 p.m.
Am 08.04.2012 09:25, schrieb david:
On 04/07/2012 11:35 AM, Renato wrote:
Did not see such hangs for neither Zyn nor Yoshimi. A few years ago Zyn
used to crash alltogether from time to time and it *can* cause extreme
CPU-load accompanied with lots of xruns. But whenever I saw such
problems it was kind of "intentional" -- some patches can become quite
demanding in Zynadd. That goes for complex multitimbral pads and the
like especially if SUBsynth is strongly involved but also for some
combinations of ADSR, White noise and filters as used for percussive sounds.
I managed to make a mere snardrum, that made Zynadd raise the CPU-load
on a quadcore Intel by approx. 40-50% ;-)
Yoshimi never crashed on me but I did not see a big difference when
running demanding patches...
On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:48:42 +0200
"Victor A. Stoichita"<vicsto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
One reason I switched to using Yoshimi instead of Zyn was because Zyn
would frequently simply hang, unresponsive, Hi everybody,
I'd like to learn more about how to use zynaddsubfx. I know the basic
setup and I understand the most obvious parameters, but is there
something like a manual or an "advanced" tutorial somewhere?
Hi, this
http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=zynaddsubfx_manual
was a good read for me; it gives an overview of zyn/yoshimi's internal
workings and proceeds to explain pretty much every knob.
From my limited understanding there are some
*major* improvements
yoshimi brought in performance over zynaddsubfx, and I
don't think
there is any reason why you should be using zyn instead of yoshimi. when running JACK at what I
considered low latencies (8-16ms). (Other folk on the list probably
don't consider that low latency at all.)
Well, but it is ;-) At least 8ms are perfectly OK for every situation I
ever have seen or heared of ;-)
Yoshimi didn't have that problem.
I also have the whatsoever "feeling", that Yoshimi runs a bit more
stable. But Zynadd does not run bad for me either...
I THINK Yoshimi uses more CPU than Zyn, never checked to measure.
The Yoshimi UI is cleaner than Zyn's, more readable.
There are some improvements to the GUI introduced by Yoshimi indeed. But
the GUI of Zynadd is much better than its bad nimbus -- this synth
allows do do very complex things with sounds and I think, it would be
hard to make the GUI for such a complex, feature-rich application a lot
simpler whithout dumbing it down....
I think both of
them would benefit by realizing that the typical graphics UI now is much
higher resolution than the cramped little spaces the UI seems to be
designed for, but that's could be just my opinion.
7 Apr
7 Apr
11:58 p.m.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Victor A. Stoichita wrote:
...
I can't test yoshimi yet because it fails to build
on my system (ARCH 64).
Its INSTALL instructions say to ask for help on this list, so I dare to post
the stack here, just in case a charitable soul knows where I should look...
[ 54%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/Effects/EQ.cpp.o
[ 55%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/Effects/Distorsion.cpp.o
[ 56%] Building CXX object
CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/Effects/DynamicFilter.cpp.o
[ 57%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/MusicIO/MusicClient.cpp.o
[ 58%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/MusicIO/MusicIO.cpp.o
[ 59%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp.o
/tmp/yoshimi-0.060.12/src/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp: In member function ‘bool
JackEngine::connectServer(std::string)’:
/tmp/yoshimi-0.060.12/src/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp:53:24: error: ‘usleep’ was
not declared in this scope
/tmp/yoshimi-0.060.12/src/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp: In member function ‘void*
JackEngine::midiThread()’:
/tmp/yoshimi-0.060.12/src/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp:407:16: warning: converting
‘false’ to pointer type ‘void*’ [-Wconversion-null]
make[2]: *** [CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/yoshimi.dir/all] Error 2
make: *** [all] Error 2
Indeed.
Adding
#include <unistd.h>
to
src/MusicIO/JackEngine.cpp
helped, but that was a lucky shot in the dark.
I wonder if any of the more C++-literate
ones reading this could have a look?
Thanks for reporting, the AUR package is now updated.
But before even troubleshooting, I'd like to know
if, in your experience,
yoshimi offers something really different than zynaddsubfx.
My experience with Yoshimi (under Linux) is excellent,
Zynaddsubfx tended to produce dropouts/clicks and
sometimes exited from Jack, back when I used it.
best,
d
8 Apr
8 Apr
1:02 a.m.
On 04/07/2012 09:48 PM, Victor A. Stoichita wrote:
I'd like to learn more about how to use zynaddsubfx. I know the basic
setup and I understand the most obvious parameters, but is there
something like a manual or an "advanced" tutorial somewhere?
http://www.youtube.com/user/zynaddsubfx
hth
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