29 Mar
2006
29 Mar
'06
7:48 a.m.
Greetings:
My publisher, Bill Pollock, has been gently pressuring me to commit to
completing the 2nd edition of The Book Of Linux Music & Sound.
Unfortunately I'm in a precarious position to commit myself to the work.
The first book nearly wiped me out, I'm not sure I can sustain the
effort to bring the next edition to light. Nevertheless, I'm still
interested in seeing this book through to completion. So I have some
questions for the community :
1. Is there a real need for another book such as the The Book Of Linux
Music & Sound ?
2. If so, would I be wise to ignore the 2.4 kernel series ? (It would
make it easier to ignore material re: OSS/Free)
3. Would anyone be interested in co-authoring the book ? I've
considered offering some chapters to certain people on these lists, but
the issue of reimbursement gets sticky WRT royalties and other
compensation. I made very little money from the first book, but money
wasn't the true reward anyway, so perhaps there's a way to turn it into
a community-based work.
4. Is anyone else already working on such a project ? I don't want to
duplicate efforts.
Btw, this is the last hurrah for this project. If I don't take it now
I won't be taking it on at all. I have a life, it's pretty full, and
committing to this edition would be a major disruption. I can guarantee
that it would be the last book I'll ever write.
I look forward to your comments and advice.
Best regards,
dp
29 Mar
29 Mar
8:52 a.m.
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 06:21:15AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:
1. Is there a real need for another book such as the The Book Of Linux
Music & Sound ?
I (and your publisher) think there is. Indeed, I think the need is greater now than it
was for the first edition. I've been waiting a while now.
2. If so, would I be wise to ignore the 2.4 kernel
series ? (It would
make it easier to ignore material re: OSS/Free)
I think so. You can always refer people to the first edition with the
caveat that it is dated.
Btw, this is the last hurrah for this project. If I
don't take it now
I won't be taking it on at all. I have a life, it's pretty full, and
committing to this edition would be a major disruption. I can guarantee
that it would be the last book I'll ever write.
Please, Dave. You did such a great job with the first edition and I
can't think of anyone better suited and qualified to revise it.
--
May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly!
Dave Craig
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"'So the universe is not quite as you thought it was.
You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then.
Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe.'"
--from _Nightfall_ by Asimov/Silverberg
1:31 p.m.
On 3/29/06, Dave Phillips <dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> wrote:
1. Is there a real need for another book such as the
The Book Of Linux
Music & Sound ?
I'll be honest with you: your first book was the entire reason I got
into Linux in the first place. However, I think the first book was an
introduction to everything that is out there. The second addition
should be more HOWTO related, IMHO. For example, step one would be
recording in ardour. Step two would be using hydrogen with ardour.
You would work your way up to jack, ardour, hydrogen, a MIDI
sequencer, a synth, and fluidsynth all running at the same time. This
way you can spend less time discussing how to install applications,
and focus on real-world use of the most commonly accepted ones.
You could add additional sections, such as using vst instruments on
Linux, to make the book more value-added. Also, it would be nice to
have a whole section on answering the question of how to build a
kernel suitable for multimedia work.
2. If so, would I be wise to ignore the 2.4 kernel
series ? (It would
make it easier to ignore material re: OSS/Free)
Yes.
3. Would anyone be interested in co-authoring the
book ? I've
considered offering some chapters to certain people on these lists, but
the issue of reimbursement gets sticky WRT royalties and other
compensation. I made very little money from the first book, but money
wasn't the true reward anyway, so perhaps there's a way to turn it into
a community-based work.
This is a wonderful idea. You already have the groundwork for such a
book with the quicktoots, you could just expand and clean up.
--
Josh Lawrence
http://www.hardbop200.com
31 Mar
31 Mar
8:49 a.m.
Greetings:
First, thank you to everyone who responded to my original query. I now
have a much better idea how I want to do this project.
I definitely want to involve members of this group. Some of you have
offered to take on particular chapters, and that seems to me the best
approach. I believe we can complete the work in record time by spreading
the work around. I'll speak with my publisher about this plan. If he
approves this approach we'll start work immediately.
Some respondents wrote to me off-list and have offered to assist. I'll
be in touch with you all after talking with Bill Pollock. If Bill gives
us a green light I'll start organizing the distribution of work
immediately. I'll communicate directly with you regarding style
preferences, format requirements, deadlines, etc. I must emphasize that
this project is commercial work, i.e., we'll have editors at the
publishing house and there will be demands that certain dates be met.
Please, only take on the work if you're sure you can work under those
conditions.
If the community approach is accepted I'll post a list of topics and
areas that need attention. I have a large amount of unedited/incomplete
material that I'm willing to offer as starting points.
I've been thinking about the royalties issue. I'm far from a final plan,
but I think it might be possible to route some (all?) of the royalties
to the Linux Audio Consortium. The community can then decide how to use
it. I can't leave this issue vague, my publisher will need to know who
is in charge of accounts receivable, and I can't simply accept
contributions from the community and not reimburse those contributors.
How that reimbursement takes place can be left to the individual
contributors, or we may decide to simply throw everything in one
direction (e.g. linuxaudio.org).
Btw, I especially appreciate the community's response re: the 2.4 kernel
series. It is laid to rest, there will be coverage only from kernel 2.6
upwards. Thank goodness.
No Starch has already accepted my outline for the project. At some point
I'll post that outline on the Web for the community to consider.
However, please bear in mind that there will be limitations of space and
scope. I'm unlikely to be able to cover games, consumer devices, or
telephony. Alas, material for a programmer's guide will probably not be
accepted. IMO that really requires a separate book now. A developer's
guide to ALSA and JACK is certainly timely and needed, but I'm not the
one to write that book.
Again, if you're interested in writing for this project please contact
me off-list. Specifiy your area of interest and we'll go from there.
Best regards,
dp
11:18 a.m.
On Fri, 31 Mar, 2006 at 07:22AM -0500, Dave Phillips spake thus:
Greetings:
First, thank you to everyone who responded to my original query. I now
have a much better idea how I want to do this project.
I definitely want to involve members of this group. Some of you have
offered to take on particular chapters, and that seems to me the best
approach. I believe we can complete the work in record time by spreading
the work around. I'll speak with my publisher about this plan. If he
approves this approach we'll start work immediately.
Some respondents wrote to me off-list and have offered to assist. I'll
be in touch with you all after talking with Bill Pollock. If Bill gives
us a green light I'll start organizing the distribution of work
immediately. I'll communicate directly with you regarding style
preferences, format requirements, deadlines, etc. I must emphasize that
this project is commercial work, i.e., we'll have editors at the
publishing house and there will be demands that certain dates be met.
Please, only take on the work if you're sure you can work under those
conditions.
If the community approach is accepted I'll post a list of topics and
areas that need attention. I have a large amount of unedited/incomplete
material that I'm willing to offer as starting points.
I've been thinking about the royalties issue. I'm far from a final plan,
but I think it might be possible to route some (all?) of the royalties
to the Linux Audio Consortium. The community can then decide how to use
it. I can't leave this issue vague, my publisher will need to know who
is in charge of accounts receivable, and I can't simply accept
contributions from the community and not reimburse those contributors.
How that reimbursement takes place can be left to the individual
contributors, or we may decide to simply throw everything in one
direction (e.g. linuxaudio.org).
Good move. Make sure to keep your own share, though. Contributors
will see it as giving to two good causes: the first is the book
itself, which you should be reimbersed for as primary author and
bearer of most of the effort, and the second is any project that can
benefit from contributors' shares of sales.
Btw, I especially appreciate the community's
response re: the 2.4 kernel
series. It is laid to rest, there will be coverage only from kernel 2.6
upwards. Thank goodness.
No Starch has already accepted my outline for the project. At some point
I'll post that outline on the Web for the community to consider.
However, please bear in mind that there will be limitations of space and
scope. I'm unlikely to be able to cover games, consumer devices, or
telephony. Alas, material for a programmer's guide will probably not be
accepted. IMO that really requires a separate book now. A developer's
guide to ALSA and JACK is certainly timely and needed, but I'm not the
one to write that book.
I agree, but I'm not the man for this one either.
Again, if you're interested in writing for this
project please contact
me off-list. Specifiy your area of interest and we'll go from there.
Best regards,
dp
--
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Development
That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you."
(By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)
1:16 p.m.
>>>> "DP" == Dave Phillips
<dlphillips(a)woh.rr.com> writes:
DP> Again, if you're interested in writing for this project please contact
DP> me off-list. Specifiy your area of interest and we'll go from there.
If you're going to do a notation chapter, I'd be happy to help. I
have lots of experience with both ABC and lilypond.
--
Laura (mailto:lconrad@laymusic.org , http://www.laymusic.org/ )
(617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011
233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139
30 Mar
30 Mar
4:49 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound
Hi Dave,
on a related issue: In our school we are testing linux only on laptops
for the music theory department. As some teachers are using Finale, we
came up with installing Finale on vmware player. It seems to work
without problems. We are planning to put the Finale-on-vmware on
usbsticks to keep the Finale licenses under control (that way they can
be given out to students like a dongle).
I thought that might interest you.
Are you coming to the LAC this year?
Yours,
Orm
31 Mar
31 Mar
9:18 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound
Orm Finnendahl wrote:
Hi Dave,
Hi Orm !
on a related issue: In our school we are testing linux
only on laptops
for the music theory department. As some teachers are using Finale, we
came up with installing Finale on vmware player. It seems to work
without problems. We are planning to put the Finale-on-vmware on
usbsticks to keep the Finale licenses under control (that way they can
be given out to students like a dongle).
I gotta say it: Wouldn't it be cheaper to just use LilyPond ?
(Sorry, I'm being obtuse). :)
Are you coming to the LAC this year?
Sorry, I won't be there this year. I'll be monitoring the chats and
video feeds.
I'm sad to miss it, I spent many months over the past year learning how
to pronounce Eric Rzewnicki's last name, now I'll have to wait until
next year to prove that I can really say it. All that effort... ;-)
Best always,
dp
9:41 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound
Dave Phillips escribe:
I'm sad to miss it, I spent many months over the
past year learning how
to pronounce Eric Rzewnicki's last name, now I'll have to wait until
next year to prove that I can really say it. All that effort... ;-)
Isn't it simply "Rzewnicki"?
Sorry I couldn't resist. xD
Cordially, Ismael
--
Photoshop, Windows, Office
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1 Apr
1 Apr
5:29 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound
Dave Phillips wrote:
Orm Finnendahl wrote:
No Dave at LAC!?!?! :( sorry to hear that.
Hi Dave,
Hi Orm !
on a related issue: In our school we are testing
linux only on laptops
for the music theory department. As some teachers are using Finale, we
came up with installing Finale on vmware player. It seems to work
without problems. We are planning to put the Finale-on-vmware on
usbsticks to keep the Finale licenses under control (that way they can
be given out to students like a dongle).
I gotta say it: Wouldn't it be
cheaper to just use LilyPond ?
(Sorry, I'm being obtuse). :)
Are you coming to the LAC this year?
Sorry, I won't be there this year. I'll be monitoring the chats and
video feeds. I'm sad to miss it, I spent many months over the
past year learning how
to pronounce Eric Rzewnicki's last name, now I'll have to wait until
next year to prove that I can really say it. All that effort... ;-)
Aw shucks, Dave, you shouldn't have. :-D
-ERic Rz.
30 Mar
30 Mar
5:50 a.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 06:21:15AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings:
My publisher, Bill Pollock, has been gently pressuring me to commit to
completing the 2nd edition of The Book Of Linux Music & Sound.
Unfortunately I'm in a precarious position to commit myself to the work.
The first book nearly wiped me out, I'm not sure I can sustain the
effort to bring the next edition to light. Nevertheless, I'm still
interested in seeing this book through to completion. So I have some
questions for the community :
1. Is there a real need for another book such as the The Book Of Linux
Music & Sound ?
I have been missing it, and would most probably buy it.
I would encourage you to do it.
Asbjørn
31 Mar
31 Mar
10:07 a.m.
3. Would anyone be interested in co-authoring the
book ? I've
considered offering some chapters to certain people
on these lists, but
the issue of reimbursement gets sticky WRT royalties
and other
compensation.
If there's a relevant topic for the first Ardour
commercial studio owner, user, contributer to JAMin,
who has produced about a dozen albums start-to-finish
and many more songs in a Linux based studio then I'd
consider writing a chapter.
I didn't read the first book so I'm clueless about the
content.
Speaking from experience, having a style guide and an
editor should make producing usable content simpler.
This wouldn't be my first commercial writing project.
Good luck with your project,
Ron Parker
Best regards,
dp
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1 Apr
1 Apr
1:10 p.m.
Michael T D Nelson wrote:
[snip]
Also, lots of proof-reading! I'll happily volunteer myself for some.
Hi Michael:
Thank you for your offer. I should clarify the matter of proofing,
particularly since many people have offered to proof-read the completed
material.
No Starch will of course provide primary editing and proofing, but I'd
also like to introduce some mechanism for the community's input. It
would ensure higher technical accuracy and would also be more likely to
guarantee more timely material.
We'll figure out something re: community proofing. I'll be sure to
bring it up when I talk with Bill.
Best,
dp
5:38 p.m.
what about pre-releasing the book as an editable wiki?
On Sat, 2006-04-01 at 11:43 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:
Michael T D Nelson wrote:
--
-- leonard "paniq" ritter
-- http://www.mjoo.org
-- http://www.paniq.org
[snip]
Also, lots of proof-reading! I'll happily volunteer myself for some.
Hi Michael:
Thank you for your offer. I should clarify the matter of proofing,
particularly since many people have offered to proof-read the completed
material.
No Starch will of course provide primary editing and proofing, but I'd
also like to introduce some mechanism for the community's input. It
would ensure higher technical accuracy and would also be more likely to
guarantee more timely material.
We'll figure out something re: community proofing. I'll be sure to
bring it up when I talk with Bill.
Best,
dp
31 Mar
31 Mar
6:05 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound
Dave Phillips a écrit :
Greetings:
My publisher, Bill Pollock, has been gently pressuring me to commit to
completing the 2nd edition of The Book Of Linux Music & Sound.
Unfortunately I'm in a precarious position to commit myself to the work.
The first book nearly wiped me out, I'm not sure I can sustain the
effort to bring the next edition to light. Nevertheless, I'm still
interested in seeing this book through to completion. So I have some
questions for the community :
1. Is there a real need for another book such as the The Book Of Linux
Music & Sound ?
2. If so, would I be wise to ignore the 2.4 kernel series ? (It would
make it easier to ignore material re: OSS/Free)
3. Would anyone be interested in co-authoring the book ? I've
considered offering some chapters to certain people on these lists, but
the issue of reimbursement gets sticky WRT royalties and other
compensation. I made very little money from the first book, but money
wasn't the true reward anyway, so perhaps there's a way to turn it into
a community-based work.
4. Is anyone else already working on such a project ? I don't want to
duplicate efforts.
Btw, this is the last hurrah for this project. If I don't take it now I
won't be taking it on at all. I have a life, it's pretty full, and
committing to this edition would be a major disruption. I can guarantee
that it would be the last book I'll ever write.
I look forward to your comments and advice.
Best regards,
dp
NB: maybe translations could be made in ...
French spanish etc... (maybe it's a dream ok)
6:10 p.m.
New subject: [linux-audio-user] Re: regarding the 2nd Book Of Linux Music & Sound
Dave Phillips a écrit :
Greetings:
My publisher, Bill Pollock, has been gently pressuring me to commit to
completing the 2nd edition of The Book Of Linux Music & Sound.
Unfortunately I'm in a precarious position to commit myself to the work.
The first book nearly wiped me out, I'm not sure I can sustain the
effort to bring the next edition to light. Nevertheless, I'm still
interested in seeing this book through to completion. So I have some
questions for the community :
1. Is there a real need for another book such as the The Book Of Linux
Music & Sound ?
2. If so, would I be wise to ignore the 2.4 kernel series ? (It would
make it easier to ignore material re: OSS/Free)
3. Would anyone be interested in co-authoring the book ? I've
considered offering some chapters to certain people on these lists, but
the issue of reimbursement gets sticky WRT royalties and other
compensation. I made very little money from the first book, but money
wasn't the true reward anyway, so perhaps there's a way to turn it into
a community-based work.
4. Is anyone else already working on such a project ? I don't want to
duplicate efforts.
Btw, this is the last hurrah for this project. If I don't take it now I
won't be taking it on at all. I have a life, it's pretty full, and
committing to this edition would be a major disruption. I can guarantee
that it would be the last book I'll ever write.
I look forward to your comments and advice.
Best regards,
dp
NB: maybe translations could be made in ...
French spanish etc... (maybe it's a dream ok)
regards :)...
from France of course :)
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Asbjørn Sæbø -
Dave Phillips -
David L. Craig -
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki -
Ismael Valladolid Torres -
james＠dis-dot-dat.net -
Jazzride2006 -
Josh Lawrence -
Laura Conrad -
Leonard "paniq" Ritter -
Michael T D Nelson -
Orm Finnendahl -
R Parker